VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Because it's so cringe it hurts. I love this game but that subreddit is full of fanboys, like 13 y.o. girls of a kpop fandom.


This is the best approach in my opinion. I'll just patch the bugs and keep the songs where they are. Removing from the patch the code that changes the songs should not be too difficult.

I don't think porn is an issue for a punk band from Sweden. I think money is more plausible. Porn is not a big taboo in Europe. In Italy, that is much more religious than Sweden, we have porn actors normally invited in TV programs for families, a famous female porn star elected in the parliament in the '80s, a very popular band partecipanting (as guests) in a porn film ("Rocco e le storie tese"), retired pornstars doing tv programs for kids (Eva Henger), we have been having softcore films running prime time on TV since decades. And Sweden is more culturally relaxed than Italy regarding sex and pornography. So it seems very strange that some Swedish guys were scandalized by a simple and vanilla porn game.

it has already happened in other AVNs, bands do not want to be associated with porn games

porn games have even less appeal than real porn

if you think of porn you think of porn stars (with their lights and shadows), if you think of porn games you think of troubled men masturbating in their parents' basement

then it is logical that if DPC were willing to pay for the rights they could get away with it (subject to the question of how much an AVN developer could ever pay for the rights to a song)
not even DPC can afford parasites living off their backs

 

[dalli_x]

It feels like shit. Already at the start you have the feeling through the new music that something is wrong. The new startup music doesn't convey what the old music did.

In my opinion, DPC just quickly inserted replacement music and didn't have the time to look for a suitable replacement.

 

[Sasanid]

It feels like shit. Already at the start you have the feeling through the new music that something is wrong. The new startup music doesn't convey what the old music did.

In my opinion, DPC just quickly inserted replacement music and didn't have the time to look for a suitable replacement.

Didn't try the patch and the new songs, guess the feeling will be weird, too.

And I guess he took what was available in a hurry, or perhaps songs he had in reserve for Ep9 and on, instead of having no songs at all.

 

[Envy*]

What's the problem, they don't want to be associated with a porn game ?

 

[Sparhawker]

Go to page 60 which has the Interlude tutorial, the gray texts show how to get the renders.

There's a Tutorial!?

 

[DrSoong]

It makes the time.

DPC has used the songs for 4 years. If a court decision is made against DPC, he could have to pay the license money for the last 4 years and if necessary an extra fine. That would be a lot of money, because fines are usually calculated according to income. The higher the income, the higher the fine.

The song(s) were listened under a free commercial license, so they can't claim money for the past period (even if they argue, they made a mistake when uploading the songs and choosing the license). So it's irrelevant, how much DPC earned with the game i the past.

From the moment they removed their songs from the site and/or changed the license, they are able to claim royalties for their music. Maybe they don't want the song in an AVN or wanted money for the future use and DPC wasn't ready to pay for, we have to live without their music in the game (at least in the new and patched versions).

So the playlists need to be updated everywhere, when they decide not to be in BaD, they shouldn't be on any playlist there were on actually cause of BaD.

 

[Kellermann]

if you think of porn you think of porn stars (with their lights and shadows), if you think of porn games you think of troubled men masturbating in their parents' basement

Well I try not to think of men masturbating when I think of porn games like BaDIK...but sometimes strange thoughts do appear in the brain. What can you do? The cock wants what the cock wants, as Dawe says. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[beetle_x]

It's unfortunate that it happened, but it's not like it was imposible to predict, Leap of Faith, Summer's Gone and Artemis had exact same thing happend to them. Lets just hope that more artists/bands won't do the same, cause i heard that Emily Ventre and Meizong were also not thrilled about their music being in a porn game.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The band's problem is that the songs were commercially usable and the band has only now changed their terms of use. As a result, they first have to give DPC the chance to remove the songs so that he no longer uses them commercially, because otherwise any court would rule against the band.

The band probably hopes that DPC will continue to use the songs and pay for them. If DPC acquires the licenses now, perhaps the band could sue to have DPC demand the License payments for 4 years.

DPC, I think I read, has no problem paying royalties and can include them in its fixed monthly costs. But if the band demands License for several songs and for the last 4 years, I personally would give them the finger, no matter how much money I had.

other than that they are all your assumptions again of what they would have asked DPC for (complete with evil plan as if DPC was the last of the dummies), but mostly it is not true

but why do you think DPC wrote to them 4 years ago? out of courtesy between artists?

DPC was aware that they might not be favorable, and sought reassurance, then having received no response proceeded anyway

the conditions haven't changed (DPC doesn't say, where did you find that out?), only now the authors have responded to him and told him that they don't agree with his use of it

that a song is free means that you don't pay for it not that anyone can use it, the authors always have the final say.

then it's believable that by paying they would change their minds, money suits everyone, but it's just castles of cards, in my opinion there's no basis at all, no AVN pays, assuming DPC paid it would be pocket change that wouldn't make a difference either way

let's say even 5% of what he has earned so far (which is a huge unlikely share) we would be talking about 15,000€, you don't even pay the lawyer

When I downloaded their songs from Soundcloud, they were uploaded with the CC BY-SA 3.0 license, making them free to use commercially, but this usage wasn't what they intended.

I reached out to them four years ago about using their songs, and I got my reply this week asking me not to use their music and to remove anything I had added since.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well I try not to think of men masturbating when I think of porn games like BaDIK...but sometimes strange thoughts do appear in the brain. What can you do? The cock wants what the cock wants, as Dawe says. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But I don't even think you added it to the curriculum

"AVN expert with a focus on the anal branch."

 

[Sasanid]

Well I try not to think of men masturbating when I think of porn games like BaDIK...but sometimes strange thoughts do appear in the brain. What can you do? The cock wants what the cock wants, as Dawe says. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's the stigma, for sure, I guess most people not used to AVN of that quality would be astounded to play it (and the like, Eternum, Artemis, Leap of Faith, Acting Lessons, etc) and realize most of the people used to that type of game play it for the story.

But, well, in our holier-than-thou, hypocritical judging world, people find it easier to point fingers at 'degenerates' that accept what they do than to realize they're even worse themselves.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

There's a Tutorial!?

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-interlude-season-3-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-7672734

 

[Lostanddamned]

other than that they are all your assumptions again of what they would have asked DPC for (complete with evil plan as if DPC was the last of the dummies), but mostly it is not true

but why do you think DPC wrote to them 4 years ago? out of courtesy between artists?

DPC was aware that they might not be favorable, and sought reassurance, then having received no response proceeded anyway

the conditions haven't changed (DPC doesn't say, where did you find that out?), only now the authors have responded to him and told him that they don't agree with his use of it

that a song is free means that you don't pay for it not that anyone can use it, the authors always have the final say.

then it's believable that by paying they would change their minds, money suits everyone, but it's just castles of cards, in my opinion there's no basis at all, no AVN pays, assuming DPC paid it would be pocket change that wouldn't make a difference either way

let's say even 5% of what he has earned so far (which is a huge unlikely share) we would be talking about 15,000€, you don't even pay the lawyer

I don't think the conditions changed. Those guys probably realized they can make money out of the game, seeing that it became really successful. DPC probably doesn't want to pay them whatever they asked for the rights though, I don't know how much, but I bet it was something ridiculous.

Which reminded me of something similar, WCW wanted to use Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Child for Hulk Hogan's entrance theme, they got in contact with the Jimi Hendrix Estate for the rights and ended up paying 100k/year for the rights of the song (and that was for like 30 seconds of the song, they couldn't use the whole song for some reasons I don't remember).

The rights for Voodoo Child today the royalties would be something of the range of 5 million/year. (Because believe it or not, the song getting played on every WCW show when their biggest superstar showed up boosted the hell out of it popularity)

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

It's unfortunate that it happened, but it's not like it was imposible to predict, Leap of Faith, Summer's Gone and Artemis had exact same thing happend to them. Lets just hope that more artists/bands won't do the same, cause i heard that Emily Ventre and Meizong were also not thrilled about their music being in a porn game.

If your music is going to be featured in a porn game, you can't do better than "Being a DIK." No incest, no sleep rape, no psycho MC, or any of that garbage. This is more like a raunchy comedy with very explicit sex in it. And I would think younger generations now, who have grown up with porn available to them anytime anywhere, might be less revolted by the association. Anyway, I also won't miss those particular songs much, despite their iconic status thanks to the game. However, there are a handful of really awesome songs in this game (include a couple that never fail to make me cry) and if those start getting replaced it's going to become an emergency.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not for 4 years, but 4 years ago.

That's what he wrote in his status report. Read the status report again. It also clearly states that the songs were provided with CC BY-SA 3.0 license, which allows business use.

I don't even know what you are talking about, what do you mean not 'for 4 years' but '4 years ago'?

DPC wrote to the prophets 4 years ago (once or several times doesn't matter) when he chose their song, why?

to have their approval anyway, because the authors gave up the money but still own their creation


and as PDC himself says: 'but this usage wasn't what they intended'.

rightly or wrongly, the prophets were not in favour of DPC's use of it, and asked him not to use it anymore

 

[jaw1986baby]

If your music is going to be featured in a porn game, you can't do better than "Being a DIK." No incest, no sleep rape, no psycho MC, or any of that garbage. This is more like a raunchy comedy with very explicit sex in it. And I would think younger generations now, who have grown up with porn available to them anytime anywhere, might be less revolted by the association. Anyway, I also won't miss those particular songs much, despite their iconic status thanks to the game. However, there are a handful of really awesome songs in this game (include a couple that never fail to make me cry) and if those start getting replaced it's going to become an emergency.

So wholesome

Drugs
Protitution
Quinn rapes the MC

It is a model of virtue indeed

 

[AchedCroissant]

bad news

Here yall go fellas...

0.8.3 Patch...

Pixeldrain l Workupload l Mega

Who the hell is going to think of applying this patch and it's a shame for the new users who will get this version but already one who has the game with all the songs

 

[Lostanddamned]

Who the hell is going to think of applying this patch and it's a shame for the new users who will get this version but already one who has the game with all the songs

Maybe someone can make an audio restore patch? Like some fans did when GTA IV got it's radios copyrighted and ended up losing like 90% of the songs in it.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Ngl I like the new song on the menu more than the old one

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't think the conditions changed. Those guys probably realized they can make money out of the game, seeing that it became really successful. DPC probably doesn't want to pay them whatever they asked for the rights though, I don't know how much, but I bet it was something ridiculous.

Which reminded me of something similar, WCW wanted to use Jimi Hendrix's Voodoo Child for Hulk Hogan's entrance theme, they got in contact with the Jimi Hendrix Estate for the rights and ended up paying 100k/year for the rights of the song (and that was for like 30 seconds of the song, they couldn't use the whole song for some reasons I don't remember).

The rights for Voodoo Child today the royalties would be something of the range of 5 million/year. (Because believe it or not, the song getting played on every WCW show when their biggest superstar showed up boosted the hell out of it popularity)

money always makes a difference

but if I remember correctly DPC recently was estimated to earn 7,000€ per month, how much of that money could he possibly give to a songwriters in his game?

even if it was 5% (which I repeat is a huge and unrealistic share) we are talking about 350€ per month...

you can't compare AVNs to other media with a completely different distribution and value (the pinnacle of wrestling....)

it is not such a rich market, there are no cows so fat that they can be milked and live off it (unless you are DPC's wife)