allanl9020142

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I really don't hate Zoey... I only don't care about her at the moment... What I don't like about the interlude is that, according to all canons of scriptwriting, it's bad scriptwriting because her story is just what is called exposition and could be conveyed -- if needed -- as flashbacks, or better, during dialogues in a normal episode with the main cast and having the MC as the POV of the story. And also the IQ-of-a-Pokemon-fan minigames that DPC put in the Interlude are really bad... So it was a waste of time for everybody who doesn't like plot deviations, asides, detours, and alike. But nothing against Zoey per se. I don't mind her in the game unless she disturbs my promiscuous sexual life.
Promiscuous? Nah, bro. The "Others" path is going to be fiiiiiirrrre. On that path, Zoey will for sure just be hopping on the MC's bandwagon. Sage would murder Zoey. Bella would also murder Zoey. The throuple could just be a quadruple ... ? Quadrouple? Orgy? Jill would get Bella to murder Zoey.
 
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I really don't hate Zoey... I only don't care about her at the moment... What I don't like about the interlude is that, according to all canons of scriptwriting, it's bad scriptwriting because her story is just what is called exposition and could be conveyed -- if needed -- as flashbacks, or better, during dialogues in a normal episode with the main cast and having the MC as the POV of the story. And also the IQ-of-a-Pokemon-fan minigames that DPC put in the Interlude are really bad... So it was a waste of time for everybody who doesn't like plot deviations, asides, detours, and alike. But nothing against Zoey per se. I don't mind her in the game unless she disturbs my promiscuous sexual life.
The only problem with presenting the Interlude as MC as the POV is the MC HAS no POV in Zoey's story. So, that story is not for him to tell.

Having Zoey tell the story in flashbacks would work once she returns. However, that wouldn't have shortened the production time because Zoey's story would have to be folded into the next episode (Or episodes, depending on how involved Zoey is going to be in the main story.)

I'm trying to reserve judgement on the whole Zoey situation until I see what the DEV has in mind for the character. I have to believe presenting her in the interlude as he's done means she's going to play a big part.
 

Astongally

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So, she doesn't care if MC feels something for her. She just left without even asking because she had her head too deep into her own ass. But if she doesn't care about her mom when she's mourning her own mom, why should she care about anybody else? Yes, that's narcissistic.

In these pics she's looking for excuses for not caring to write her friend/lover/boyfriend whatever. She's not doing a sacrifice not writing the MC. At this point she thinks she's going to be happy with her new life, and wants that MC forget about her because he's just an ex. She doesn't want that her ex suffers. And so what? Should be give her a medal? Everybody wants clean breaks with their exes. That doesn't mean shit.

Then she fails because her new life actually sucks and she thinks she's going to find the MC waiting for her. And yes, that's fucking narcissistic. Apparently the MC should stop his life when she left and be at the expenses of her whims.

I just hope DPC will give us the chance to dump this brat, big time.
 

shazba

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zoey sucks, she left mc and her mother when they needed her the most to chase some idiotic dream and tatoo her tits.
Why did the mc need Zoey the most at that particular time? I kinda get the mom bit, but even then, it's not like the mom would have been comatose unless Zoey was there to help her up and walk her around the grounds like some old invalid... The grandma was old, and then she died. That's kinda what happens.

If Zoey bailed before the funeral, that would have been shocking, but she didn't. And ultimately when someone that old dies, people's worlds aren't turned upside down.

So I don't see that anyone needed Zoey to stay. The mc would have liked it though, but he also knew Zoey's dreams. And if you've played the Interlude, you might recall that they intended to join up there. But it didn't turn out that way (they drifted apart based on a miscommunication, and the mc ended up going to college).

So basically, it comes down to:
  • Zoey stays because that's what the mc wanted.
  • Zoey goes because that's what she wanted.

Deal with it. You can't control what other people think or comment

The problem is not that there is an interlude. The problem is this interlude is BAD.

Then, DPC should have done Zoey more attractive to make the player really doubt about previous decisions. I would not change any of the Lis that I like for her, and the same will happen with a lot of people, so DPC's strategy is just going to be a fail because Zoey is going to be only an annoyance. I'm only waiting there will be a chance that the MC says to Zoey "You left for almost a year, and you think that you are going to find me waiting for you? You are delusional. I'm with Sage/Bella/Jill/half of the HOTs now.

So your point is "DPC's writing is just clichés over clichés, so who cares about a new one? Really?
And no, not everything else has worked so far. Not at all. This game is best that other similar ones, because 99% of this kind of games are plain shit.

He could have took a break from the current story by writing another story actually entertaining and with meaningful moments, not a story that even the main character who lives it is bored about. Again: Zoey gets bored of the surf, the beach, the tattoo parlor and the people she meets at San Diego. But the player should find it interesting...

And people don't start going bananas. People is criticizing the flaws of a game. Again, deal with it. If you don't like it, don't read it

Plans can be good or bad and people can like it or not. So you take a chill pill, dude.

Yeah, we all will be probably dead before this game comes to an end, including DPC, so who cares about some more months? You should just wait and repeat "DPC does nothing wrong, in DPC we trust".

In case I've inadvertently offended you, you should just be glad that I didn't call you what I actually think about you. And yes, you are just talking out of your ass.
My opening sentence was a joke, maybe you missed that bit.

The Interlude definitely wasn't as good as the main game, I'm not a fan of playing female protagonists so that may skew my view as well, but it wasn't bad, it just wasn't really good. There are a lot of examples of what bad is around this site.

Zoey is attractive, if you find her attractive. The issue here is that it's entirely subjective. I like the look of her, you don't, that pretty much sums that up.

People are crying that the returning ex is a cliché. I pointed out many other clichés in the game that work, hence being a cliché is not a problem in its own right. It's how it's implemented that matters, and none of us know how it's implemented since none of us has played episode 9 yet.

He could have done a lot of things rather than write the Interlude. He didn't though. You didn't like it, others did. Subjective once again.

People are going bananas. They've been going on about how the Interlude has ruined the game for months. People are changing their game ratings from 5/5 to 1/5 because they didn't like the Interlude. That's a massive overreaction and an irrational response, colloquially speaking: Bananas.

I am chill. That's the point, I'm not getting worked up over a porn game not catering precisely to my preferred tastes...

So I'm gauging that you think you'll be dead in about 4 - 8 years? Cause that's all we're talking about. No need to start chanting, maybe just wait patiently for a game that you're not paying a cent towards. If waiting for this game is causing anyone serious distress (I know we like to joke about it here), then they probably have big problems.

"... you should just be glad that I didn't call you what I actually think about you"

What's that all about? You don't agree with my opinion so you start getting nasty? This is a discussion board, we're chatting, joking, enjoying the game, but you wanna get nasty because I don't agree with you?

It's pretty clear to most people that my post was an opinionated piece thinly veiled in humor. It's what I do. Not everyone agrees with me, but they can still enjoy the humor. You don't like my opinion, and you don't enjoy my humor? Fine, it's not for everyone, but no need to get personal...

You know, it's called "Main Character" for something. The game is about him, that means, the player. But it's not that she has to make her life around MC. It's her own mother and family the one she left in a stupid whim, and that makes her a frivolous brat. And probably narcissistic, since she only thinks in her, not in her mom and of course not in her best friend/lover/boyfriend whatever. Yes, she has the audacity to make an stupid, childish decision. And then, when she fails, she returns thinking that she's going to find the MC waiting for her. Yes, that's narcissistic too. And that feminist allegation of "It's fucking disgusting what women think they can do these days!" is just a stupidity. Nobody said that she can't do whatever she wants because she's a woman.

Dying her hair blue and getting a lot of tattoos makes Zoey a fashion victim without a real personality, not narcissistic. Again, nobody said that blue hair and tattoos make somebody narcissistic.

I almost makes me want to puke to read comments of people that put words in other people's mouths, and then "brilliantly" refute them. That, indeed, it's narcissistic. It's called "mental masturbation"
Lots of the characters in the game are doing their own thing. That's what I like about the game; the characters don't just exist to service the mc.

Zoey's departure wasn't a whim though was it, it was her dream ever since she was little, a dream that only her grandma perpetuated, and when her grandma died, and Zoey received a small inheritance from her, she decided it was her chance to make that dream come true.

The story highlights that the grandma was actually very special to Zoey, and her death hit her very hard. She didn't even feel she had it in her to finish her studies. If she stayed and went to school and failed, she have wasted the year anyway. So she followed her dreams, for herself but also as a tribute to her grandma.

It doesn't matter if things didn't turn out. What matters is she gave it a go. It was actually a very good time to give it ago, she was young, no strings attached, better sooner than later. Yeah she could have waited until finishing school, but like I said, she may have ended up wasting the remainder of the year if her head wasn't in the right place. As it was, she ended up finishing school via correspondence anyway.

None of that makes her a narcissist. You don't have to agree with her choices here, but someone doing something different to you doesn't make them a narcissist, it just makes them different.

She's definitely not a brat for leaving. She was hurting due to the loss of her grandma, and she needed to heal. Her mom had her husband, so it's not like she was digging a knife into her mom's heart. And she talked about it with the mc. She was hurting and needed a change, and he sensibly wanted to finish school. They had different priorities at that moment. That's ok.

It's not clear she's expecting the mc to just be waiting around for her to pick up where they left off, but that doesn't mean she can't try to catch up with him on her return, they were very close friends who unfortunately drifted apart due to some very bad advice. That's also ok, it's an acceptable plot device. But also it's a porn game, so she's definitely come back to fuck!

And that nonsense list I gave, I didn't put words into anyone's mouth, I just listed Zoey's standout actions and characteristics to highlight that there were no narcissistic actions of Zoey's.

For the record, blue hair and tattoos don't detract from your personality. My brother's a tattooist and his girlfriend has tats and blue hair, and she's a really great person. But I accept that blue hair and tattoos aren't for everyone.

people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others

I think this fits Zoey very well.

The only other thing she cared for was her grandma otherwise it is only about HER. And even she left the MC she actually believes after all this the MC will welcome her with open arms like nothing did happen? Just because she made bad choices all the way and never blamed herself but others
I don't think any of that suits Zoey.

She didn't think she was so important. She did things that were important to her, but that doesn't mean she thinks she, herself, is important.

Who was she seeking admiration from? She was hardly trying to be the life of the party or get everyone's attention all the time. Sure she was noisy around the mc, but that's not narcissism.

Troubled relationships aren't a sign of narcissism, but they can be the result of it. But she only had one serious relationship, and it wasn't defined, neither by her nor the mc, and if it wasn't for some lousy advice from her new friends, she wouldn't have lost touch with him. The only other rocky platonic relationship was with Emma, and Emma was a fucking fruitcake.

And empathy? What are you talking about? You could actually choose for her to be empathetic in her responses to the mc.

And regarding blaming other's, I can't recall anything about that in the story, but I definitely didn't get a sense of that.

Nah, she is just an 18 year old girl who after the loss of her beloved grandma, decided to chase her dreams only to realise she already had what was most dear to her. And even if she doesn't end up with the mc, she's 18-19, it's not that important, but she'd remember her San Diego days for the rest of her life.

If he did it for himself to just take a break with a change of pace then I'm 100% ok with that because he deserves it. I just feel wary of the idea that it was some carefully calculated plan only for it to turn out to be a redundant fart in terms of the story.
Also weren't you banned or something? Welcome back:D

And ... who the hell is Jenna?
Jenna's a side character from the Interlude. She's very cute, has the best tats in the game so far, and she seems like she's a lot of fun. :sneaky:
 

MasksDude

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Do we get the release by Halloween? I cannot wait anymore . it'd be the perfect release date for the debut party on DIK Mansion
 

Astongally

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Why did the mc need Zoey the most at that particular time? I kinda get the mom bit, but even then, it's not like the mom would have been comatose unless Zoey was there to help her up and walk her around the grounds like some old invalid... The grandma was old, and then she died. That's kinda what happens.

If Zoey bailed before the funeral, that would have been shocking, but she didn't. And ultimately when someone that old dies, people's worlds aren't turned upside down.

So I don't see that anyone needed Zoey to stay. The mc would have liked it though, but he also knew Zoey's dreams. And if you've played the Interlude, you might recall that they intended to join up there. But it didn't turn out that way (they drifted apart based on a miscommunication, and the mc ended up going to college).

So basically, it comes down to:
  • Zoey stays because that's what the mc wanted.
  • Zoey goes because that's what she wanted.
Yeah, Zoey's mother is delighted with her daughter leaving her. She doesn't need her daughter at all or her daughter's departure adds no worries to her at all.

My opening sentence was a joke, maybe you missed that bit.
You was being a smartass (for not saying what I'm actually thinking), I didn't miss that point.

The Interlude definitely wasn't as good as the main game, I'm not a fan of playing female protagonists so that may skew my view as well, but it wasn't bad, it just wasn't really good. There are a lot of examples of what bad is around this site.
The interlude was not only bad, was unnecessary. With a third of work and time, DPC could have just packed that material in a couple of flashbacks and we could have already the real update.
Zoey is attractive, if you find her attractive. The issue here is that it's entirely subjective. I like the look of her, you don't, that pretty much sums that up.
If you find attractive a narcissistic brat... I'm not going to repeat my previous post about why she's like that, you can read them. Yeah, attractive is subjective, you can find attractive a wooden log. But the facts that DPC let us know about Zoey are objective.
People are crying that the returning ex is a cliché. I pointed out many other clichés in the game that work, hence being a cliché is not a problem in its own right. It's how it's implemented that matters, and none of us know how it's implemented since none of us has played episode 9 yet.
If most of your writing is based in clichés, that's lazy writing. And people is not "crying", it's called criticizing. That's you being (again) a smartass.
He could have done a lot of things rather than write the Interlude. He didn't though. You didn't like it, others did. Subjective once again.
Great, captain obvious.
People are going bananas. They've been going on about how the Interlude has ruined the game for months. People are changing their game ratings from 5/5 to 1/5 because they didn't like the Interlude. That's a massive overreaction and an irrational response, colloquially speaking: Bananas.
People is rating the interlude, not the entire game. The interlude has delayed the game for months, that's a fact. Creating a full update with music, minigames and all is way more work and time than just an update. That's a fact.

And DPC fanboys are been going on about how great this game is, without seeing the flaws of the writing and character design. Are you guys going bananas too?
I am chill. That's the point, I'm not getting worked up over a porn game not catering precisely to my preferred tastes...
No, you are not, you are being a smartass. For saying an euphemism.
So I'm gauging that you think you'll be dead in about 4 - 8 years? Cause that's all we're talking about. No need to start chanting, maybe just wait patiently for a game that you're not paying a cent towards. If waiting for this game is causing anyone serious distress (I know we like to joke about it here), then they probably have big problems.
Obviously, it was a joke. I don't know when you are going to be dead. Well, 4-8 years for a game like this one is a long time. AAA games are created in less time, and usually are complete when they are released in the market.
People have right to think that waiting times are long enough without an unnecessary delay because an unnecessary interlude, and it doesn't mean that waiting is causing serious distress to anybody. That's only you being, again, a smartass.
"... you should just be glad that I didn't call you what I actually think about you"

What's that all about? You don't agree with my opinion so you start getting nasty? This is a discussion board, we're chatting, joking, enjoying the game, but you wanna get nasty because I don't agree with you?

It's pretty clear to most people that my post was an opinionated piece thinly veiled in humor. It's what I do. Not everyone agrees with me, but they can still enjoy the humor. You don't like my opinion, and you don't enjoy my humor? Fine, it's not for everyone, but no need to get personal...
It's personal since it's my comments the one you were doing "fun" of. And that thing of " Now, to anyone that I've inadvertently offended, just be glad I didn't call you a bunch of cunts (term of endearment of course)" is not you being the king of comedy, but an smartass (again, euphemism)
Lots of the characters in the game are doing their own thing. That's what I like about the game; the characters don't just exist to service the mc.
Again: the characters exist because of the MC. Main Character. It's Main Character's story, not random characters' story. If Zoey would not be the ex of the MC, she would not even be in the game in first place. Her role is being the ex that returns, soap opera style, to disturb him. Her mere existence service the MC.
Zoey's departure wasn't a whim though was it, it was her dream ever since she was little, a dream that only her grandma perpetuated, and when her grandma died, and Zoey received a small inheritance from her, she decided it was her chance to make that dream come true.
A dream of living by the beach like if it were holydays all the year is not a childish whim? Do you really think that that thing of surfing is a realistic way of life?
The story highlights that the grandma was actually very special to Zoey, and her death hit her very hard. She didn't even feel she had it in her to finish her studies. If she stayed and went to school and failed, she have wasted the year anyway. So she followed her dreams, for herself but also as a tribute to her grandma.
Her grandma is a terrible influence for Zoey, since she only says to her what she wants to listen, and not what she needs to listen. It's the mother the one that tries to be that, a mother that not only says to her "you are special, follow your dreams, even if they are childish and idiotic" but real good advices like "you are too young to drink alcohol" or "you should finish your studies even if right now you are bored of that". And that's why Zoey dumps her and goes away. She's a brat that only listens to what she wants to hear
It doesn't matter if things didn't turn out. What matters is she gave it a go. It was actually a very good time to give it ago, she was young, no strings attached, better sooner than later. Yeah she could have waited until finishing school, but like I said, she may have ended up wasting the remainder of the year if her head wasn't in the right place. As it was, she ended up finishing school via correspondence anyway.
She could have stayed with her mother in a bad moment for her, and could have appreciated what she had with the MC before loosing it. She doesn't because she's a narcissistic brat.
None of that makes her a narcissist. You don't have to agree with her choices here, but someone doing something different to you doesn't make them a narcissist, it just makes them different.
Her choices are the ones of a narcissistic brat, if you stop looking at her tits and think a bit about it.
She's definitely not a brat for leaving. She was hurting due to the loss of her grandma, and she needed to heal. Her mom had her husband, so it's not like she was digging a knife into her mom's heart. And she talked about it with the mc. She was hurting and needed a change, and he sensibly wanted to finish school. They had different priorities at that moment. That's ok.
She even thought that the MC could leave his father and his studies to follow her to her (no MC's) dream... How narcissistic is that?
It's not clear she's expecting the mc to just be waiting around for her to pick up where they left off, but that doesn't mean she can't try to catch up with him on her return, they were very close friends who unfortunately drifted apart due to some very bad advice. That's also ok, it's an acceptable plot device. But also it's a porn game, so she's definitely come back to fuck!
Yeah, she actually returned because of, I don't know, Derek for example. She's thinking that the MC has continued with his life and probably has another girlfriend, so she's thinking in just catch up with him in from of a cup of coffee or something, and return with her life.
For the record, blue hair and tattoos don't detract from your personality. My brother's a tattooist and his girlfriend has tats and blue hair, and she's a really great person. But I accept that blue hair and tattoos aren't for everyone.
People get tattoos and blue hair because they want to be different. Is a cry of attention "7.000.000.000 of people in the world, but look at meeee... I'm different, I have my own personality, I'm not with the herd". And to let that clear that, they follow a trend... :FacePalm:

I don't know your brother or his girlfriend. Probably they are better people that you. But tattoos and blue hair don't add to their personalities.
I don't think any of that suits Zoey.
Yeah, totally. To get a lot of huge tattoos and piercings because she meets people with tattoos and piercings is exactly what people with her own personality does, not what an influenceable brat without personality would do.

Jenna's a side character from the Interlude. She's very cute, has the best tats in the game so far, and she seems like she's a lot of fun. :sneaky:
She's just the lesbian quota the same way the other guy (I don't even remember the name) is the gay quota. Because it's 2022 and if you create four new characters, at least two of them must be gay even if that doesn't add shit to the story of those characters, to demonstrate you are not an homophobe and don't risk that your product falls into cancel culture. Or just DPC following the mainstream, I don't know.
 
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minoraeon

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It could be... and it would be terrible writing too. Why the dean of an university, a guy that already does a lot of money and has a lot of influence, would risk his position, family and ending up in jail, in a business like that one? A business that at the end, depends that a brat that is barely legal, into drugs, and totally untrusty, and a bunch of other girls like her, don't make a single indiscretion or mistake.

If you were Bourke... would you sleep soundly every night if you know that your life and family, and the ones of your partners in business depend of... Quinn? :LOL:

Plenty of people in high power positions do risky shit. Even if you have some money you can always have more. I suspect if he really thinks he's so poweful he believes he'll be able to keep her in check.

He doesn't need Quinn ti be reliable, he just needs her needs to be reliable.

JFK was president and slept around with loads of women. Bill Clinton did the same with an intern. People in positions of pwoer do stupid things often purely because they believe thye can get away with a basal desire of theirs and that if they do get caught, they have the power to make it disappear.
 

ffive

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So, she doesn't care if MC feels something for her.
She literally considers the possibility MC might feel something for her in that screenshot. It's the opposite of not caring. Do you spend your time thinking about things you don't care about?

But if she doesn't care about her mom when she's mourning her own mom, why should she care about anybody else? Yes, that's narcissistic.
You are both presuming that she did not care, and that her mom wanted Zoey to stay based on... what, exactly?
 
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