VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

Actually, Ren'Py code is very simple and, though you can complicate it, in most parts, it's almost declaratory. So, for instance, in Ep. 4, Jade's scene, we have this snippet:

scene anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 with dissolve
mc "SHIT!!! This is what you meant!!!"
mc "My dick! It's fucking swelling up!!!"
ja "MMMM!!! MMM!!!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum_ep4 with dissolve
mc "AAAAHHH!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum2_ep4 with dissolve
mc "FUCK!!! THAT'S TOO INTENSE!"
mc "AAAHHH!! Is it supposed to feel this much!?"
scene ep4_jade_lewd85 with dissolve
ja "HAHAHA! OH FUCK! HAHAHA!!!"
ja "I'm trembling!!!"
mc "AAHH!!!!"
scene ep4_jade_lewd86 with dissolve
ja "Thank you..."
ja "You have no idea how much I needed that."

mc is the MC and ja is Jade; what follows each prefix are their dialog lines.
Every scene anim_jade_[label]_ep4 is an animation.

Animations are declared in a separate file. For the example above, we have:

image anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_doggy9_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum2_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum2_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum2_ep4.webm")

There's no difference between declaring movies or images, thus, he could substitute anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webp for anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm (he could even use a blank image or any other image); when anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm is ready, he just change the extension.

As you can see, it's very simple and to mess with it one has to be very dumb (which is not DPC's case). So it's perfectly possible to test it with stand-ins without adding any bug because it can't even be considered an algorithm to have a bug for starters.

I agree that DPC's implementation of Renpy is very simple. Placeholders could easily be substituted for animations that aren't completed yet and everything could be tested before their completion.

It'd be worth going back and replaying the scenes with those animations once they are done, to ensure he hasn't fucked up the naming and also because the duration of the scene impacts what songs are played at roughly what time if he's got a playlist happening for a scene, but that's less important considering people's reading speed influences that anyway.

There's definitely no good reason to not start testing everything just because of a few movie files.

 

[ename144]

Actually, Ren'Py code is very simple and, though you can complicate it, in most parts, it's almost declaratory. So, for instance, in Ep. 4, Jade's scene, we have this snippet:

scene anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 with dissolve
mc "SHIT!!! This is what you meant!!!"
mc "My dick! It's fucking swelling up!!!"
ja "MMMM!!! MMM!!!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum_ep4 with dissolve
mc "AAAAHHH!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum2_ep4 with dissolve
mc "FUCK!!! THAT'S TOO INTENSE!"
mc "AAAHHH!! Is it supposed to feel this much!?"
scene ep4_jade_lewd85 with dissolve
ja "HAHAHA! OH FUCK! HAHAHA!!!"
ja "I'm trembling!!!"
mc "AAHH!!!!"
scene ep4_jade_lewd86 with dissolve
ja "Thank you..."
ja "You have no idea how much I needed that."

mc is the MC and ja is Jade; what follows each prefix are their dialog lines.
Every scene anim_jade_[label]_ep4 is an animation.

Animations are declared in a separate file. For the example above, we have:

image anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_doggy9_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum2_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum2_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum2_ep4.webm")

There's no difference between declaring movies or images, thus, he could substitute anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webp for anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm (he could even use a blank image or any other image); when anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm is ready, he just change the extension.

As you can see, it's very simple and to mess with it one has to be very dumb (which is not DPC's case). So it's perfectly possible to test it with stand-ins without adding any bug because it can't even be considered an algorithm to have a bug for starters.

I understand that. But as the old saying goes, in theory there's no difference between theory and practice; in practice, there is. Mistakes can happen even in simple changes.

 

[meanmike]

Interlude to the interlude soon

 

[BorgiaBou]

A Bella interlude, who's with me?

 

[Leonin]

A Bella interlude, who's with me?

I do not think we need a full interlude but I suspect that a long flashback scene will happen once the MC learns what is in the locked room.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think this is possibly the case. I can’t remember what else DPC isn’t a fan of, but he stated in one of his Q&A’s that he wouldn’t include certain things because he wasn’t interested in them.

Showing Dawe struggling to fuck Arieth is done for a laugh, showing Elena bouncing off John Boy in random locations is part of who they are, and that’s about it.

DPC’s not interested in explicit gay content, that kiss between Troy and Chad looked so awkward. And we’re probably not gonna see any more of that.

So regarding the past love lives of LIs, what do we need to see? Nothing really.

first, let's start with the premise that the fact that the alternative is between showing all of the LIs' previous sex life and selling us pseudo-virgins is false. there is no need to show anything, just telling and showing some intimacy, a hug, a kiss do their narrative job very well. second premise continuing to quote NTR only serves to confuse and raise the barricades

But then in what sense would that serve?

you defend an animation of Mc turning around in his room because it values an important moment in his life, and you really miss the narrative weight of showing a Sage whose every behavior is incomprehensible?

her whole attachment to chad, to their relationship has no explanation in what we see. what reason does she have for wanting to be with a guy who has never shown any interest in her? even after he cheated on her. from the first moment to the last moment we see Sage buzzing around him and him acting annoyed.

do you see no problem with Sage doggedly seeking a fuckbuddy being two years begging Chad for attention?

and with Bella the argument is less tragicomic but the same, how do we understand her pain, her sense of abandonment if nothing conveys it to us? at the end of the narrative we are passed a madwoman who talks to herself often and is therefore likely to have done so in the flashback as well

 

[Lovetities]

What people don't understand is that most of the player base cares more about their Mc and their chosen girls rather than other side characters. We have multiple photos of Dik fucking areith, Hooking up Jacob, Johnboy and Elena, etc. So, no there is no Anti-Ntr or whatever bs you people form. Lmfao, if Dpc cared about Anti-Ntr Areith would be a Virgin, it just most people are not interested in watching other characters bang. I am not in Josy/Maya route, so does that mean I want to see them fucking? If Zoey is going to become a main love interest, I don't think many people would actually try to date or be interested in her after watching her bang multiple dudes, that cuckshit. Ah yes, I like Zoey for her personality not because she bang other people and I jerked off to it.

 

[shazba]

first, let's start with the premise that the fact that the alternative is between showing all of the LIs' previous sex life and selling us pseudo-virgins is false. there is no need to show anything, just telling and showing some intimacy, a hug, a kiss do their narrative job very well. second premise continuing to quote NTR only serves to confuse and raise the barricades

But then in what sense would that serve?

you defend an animation of Mc turning around in his room because it values an important moment in his life, and you really miss the narrative weight of showing a Sage whose every behavior is incomprehensible?

her whole attachment to chad, to their relationship has no explanation in what we see. what reason does she have for wanting to be with a guy who has never shown any interest in her? even after he cheated on her. from the first moment to the last moment we see Sage buzzing around him and him acting annoyed.

do you see no problem with Sage doggedly seeking a fuckbuddy being two years begging Chad for attention?

and with Bella the argument is less tragicomic but the same, how do we understand her pain, her sense of abandonment if nothing conveys it to us? at the end of the narrative we are passed a madwoman who talks to herself often and is therefore likely to have done so in the flashback as well

We don't know how long Chad and Sage have been together. It could be 6 months, it could be 3 years. Also, not every college couple is fucking. Some guys/girls put sex on a pedestal (as Sage complains) and maybe Chad fed her some bullshit about going slow.

Unfortunately we probably won't get any more insight into this. And if I were DPC, I would leave it like this. The story doesn't hinge on how Sage got this far in the relationship, it only hinges on Chad using her and now the relationship is over. I doubt the mc is gonna probe her about it.

We don't need explicit reasons for Sage to be with Chad. From a shallow perspective (like, say in a college setting), his name is Chad, even his jawline screams Giga-Chad, and he's the president of the Jocks. She's the president of the HOTs, and she's hot. They look good together. Their houses benefit from the union. In what world wouldn't they go together? But ultimately, as we all know, it was totally fucked up. The End. You need more? Sorry to disappoint.

With Bella it's different. We do need to know how she got to where she is. There is a backstory, screaming to be told. And if we don't get it, DPC has fucked up. Now that they're actually dating with the intent to give their relationship a decent chance, at this very moment in the story I think they are at a point where he can now ask sensitive things, "What the fuck is up with you!?" Let's hope he fucking asks.

 

[felicemastronzo]

We don't know how long Chad and Sage have been together. It could be 6 months, it could be 3 years. Also, not every college couple is fucking. Some guys/girls put sex on a pedestal (as Sage complains) and maybe Chad fed her some bullshit about going slow.

Unfortunately we probably won't get any more insight into this. And if I were DPC, I would leave it like this. The story doesn't hinge on how Sage got this far in the relationship, it only hinges on Chad using her and now the relationship is over. I doubt the mc is gonna probe her about it.

We don't need explicit reasons for Sage to be with Chad. From a shallow perspective (like, say in a college setting), his name is Chad, even his jawline screams Giga-Chad, and he's the president of the Jocks. She's the president of the HOTs, and she's hot. They look good together. Their houses benefit from the union. In what world wouldn't they go together? But ultimately, as we all know, it was totally fucked up. The End. You need more? Sorry to disappoint.

With Bella it's different. We do need to know how she got to where she is. There is a backstory, screaming to be told. And if we don't get it, DPC has fucked up. Now that they're actually dating with the intent to give their relationship a decent chance, at this very moment in the story I think they are at a point where he can now ask sensitive things, "What the fuck is up with you!?" Let's hope he fucking asks.

We don't need it because DPC hasn't shown it to us yet?

Did we need to see Lana? No, but it helped us understand her importance to Jill

Sage for now suffers this lack, it's easier to understand Chad than her. We will survive, but it could have been done better without much effort

 

[shazba]

We don't need it because DPC hasn't shown it to us yet?

Did we need to see Lana? No, but it helped us understand her importance to Jill

Sage for now suffers this lack, it's easier to understand Chad than her. We will survive, but it could have been done better without much effort

I vehemently disagree (see, I'm getting good at this)!

We don't need it because it doesn't matter. How Sage put up with Chad's tiny dick for however long their relationship lasted simply doesn't matter.

Lana's death still likely has some significance to the story, so meeting Lana makes sense. Plus "The mooooon".

The only thing that happened that serves a big fat zero bearing in the whole game, is The Madame. But it's clear DPC was just experimenting with her. She's probably his most detailed model, and her intro animation is the most complex body pan (with multiple layers of parallax effects).

 

[felicemastronzo]

I vehemently disagree (see, I'm getting good at this)!

We don't need it because it doesn't matter. How Sage put up with Chad's tiny dick for however long their relationship lasted simply doesn't matter.

Lana's death still likely has some significance to the story, so meeting Lana makes sense. Plus "The mooooon".

The only thing that happened that serves a big fat zero bearing in the whole game, is The Madame. But it's clear DPC was just experimenting with her. She's probably his most detailed model, and her intro animation is the most complex body pan (with multiple layers of parallax effects).

We did not need any flashbacks, their usefulness is to help you understand the characters better.

Lana needs them because 'maybe' she'll come back into the picture, whereas a regular character like Sage definitely doesn't, heaven forbid.

Strange that you don't agree with a criticism of pdc, I'll make a round of phone calls to find out if the bread has risen normally today

 

[NebulousShooter]

We don't need it because DPC hasn't shown it to us yet?

Did we need to see Lana? No, but it helped us understand her importance to Jill

Sage for now suffers this lack, it's easier to understand Chad than her. We will survive, but it could have been done better without much effort

Doesn't help that this only exacerbates Sage being oblivious about Quinn's shenanigans, apparently she is the dumbest character both intellectually and emotionally, just without the 'laugh track' we usually get for Dawe & Arieth. She can't pick up on anything until its drawn in the sand for her...Until I'm proven wrong I will still hold the opinion that DPC failed Sage as a character as bad as Jill, maybe more, depending on the resolution of the plots involving her.

And on the interlude, the entire point was to get to the conclusion of homesickness and realizing she felt more for the MC The easiest way to achieve that is by having her have bad romantic experiences, realizing what she let go, how much better the MC was, by not having anything of the sort you can see that even the ones that are not butthurt by the mere Interlude existence have reached the end of the game with the conclusion that she came home because she ran out of money and I will bet my favorite testicle that is 100% not what DPC wanted you to get out of the Interlude.

DPC is not a moron to fail this spectacularly in conveying a simple message, while still speculation IMO he had to tow the line with his writing by how overly sensitive the playerbase is with topics like this.

 

[Klopdwerg]

thats what im getting at. we have these characters in established relationships, yet we almost never even see them share screen time with each other. and when we do see them together its weird/awkward. i dont like that character development might be cast aside in order to not upset people with the fact that people in relationships do relationship things together.

with Sage and Chad, its hard to believe their relationship was perfectly fine for the last x years or whatever. i honestly seems like these issues they have now would have come to a head a while ago if it all comes back to lack of intimacy from Chad. its just irritating cause if DPC wants us to believe that they were in fact happy and had something together that was actually worth keeping, then he should show us that occasionally and flesh things out a bit so we can better understand why Sage would be so upset that everything is falling apart (rather then always just having to take the characters at their word that the feelings they have are real and valid).

and as stated before, Bella and her husband have their own similar issues with their portrayal together...

these feel like either narrative shortcuts or the desire to deliberately not show any of the other girls potentially happy with anyone other than MC. its just weird, IMO

With Chad and Sage we do see how it was in the past. During the flashback (intro) we see her clinging onto Chad talking about planning the halloween party and Chad is cold towards her as it can be. So their relationship is pure for the outside world. President of the HOT's supposed to be with the president of the Tri Alpha's.
If i remeber correctly Sage even mention that to MC but i don't recall when she does it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Doesn't help that this only exacerbates Sage being oblivious about Quinn's shenanigans, apparently she is the dumbest character both intellectually and emotionally, just without the 'laugh track' we usually get for Dawe & Arieth. She can't pick up on anything until its drawn in the sand for her...Until I'm proven wrong I will still hold the opinion that DPC failed Sage as a character as bad as Jill, maybe more, depending on the resolution of the plots involving her.

And on the interlude, the entire point was to get to the conclusion of homesickness and realizing she felt more for the MC The easiest way to achieve that is by having her have bad romantic experiences, realizing what she let go, how much better the MC was, by not having anything of the sort you can see that even the ones that are not butthurt by the mere Interlude existence have reached the end of the game with the conclusion that she came home because she ran out of money and I will bet my favorite testicle that is 100% not what DPC wanted you to get out of the Interlude.

DPC is not a moron to fail this spectacularly in conveying a simple message, while still speculation IMO he had to tow the line with his writing by how overly sensitive the playerbase is with topics like this.

On the one hand, she is the most nuanced, least single-minded character, but on the other hand she is the most abused.

Affectionate constantly, MC has to reject her three times (2 with our choice and one automatically), an unwitting victim of almost everything that happens to BR, every member of her family is basically a problem.

Stop hitting her!!! She is already dead!!!

 

[Porthas]

by how overly sensitive the playerbase is with topics like this.

If I had a nickel for every time I saw somebody complain about a "playerbase" or "fanbase"...

I'd have a lot of nickels.



They're all the same really. And depending on how much time you spend invested in one and where your leanings lie, some will irritate you, some you'll agree with, some will be firm fanboy defenders, some will constantly troll... the cycle just goes on and on.

 

[shazba]

We did not need any flashbacks, their usefulness is to help you understand the characters better.

Lana needs them because 'maybe' she'll come back into the picture, whereas a regular character like Sage definitely doesn't, heaven forbid.

Strange that you don't agree with a criticism of pdc, I'll make a round of phone calls to find out if the bread has risen normally today

Sage will probably have a flash back this coming episode, to show her relationship with the Burkes, and maybe even her childhood, because while we know she was a foster kid before she was adopted, we don't know what she's been through.

We don't need another flashback showing her relationship with Chad because we've seen all we need to know.

We got a flashback with Jill to show her relationship with Lana, who we still have more to find out about (I don't believe her involvement in the story has no consequence).

We don't need a flashback to show us Josy has fucked other guys in the past, but it's clear she has.

We got a flashback with how Josy, Maya and Derek all knew each other.

We don't need a flashback as to why Tybalt is such a fuckhead.

And so on.

This has nothing to do with me disagreeing purely because it's a criticism levelled at DPC (I have stated many times that I didn't like much about AL, and the ending was boring as fuck). No, this is about me disagreeing because it's you.

 

[znar25]

Actually, Ren'Py code is very simple and, though you can complicate it, in most parts, it's almost declaratory. So, for instance, in Ep. 4, Jade's scene, we have this snippet:

scene anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 with dissolve
mc "SHIT!!! This is what you meant!!!"
mc "My dick! It's fucking swelling up!!!"
ja "MMMM!!! MMM!!!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum_ep4 with dissolve
mc "AAAAHHH!!!!"
scene anim_jade_cum2_ep4 with dissolve
mc "FUCK!!! THAT'S TOO INTENSE!"
mc "AAAHHH!! Is it supposed to feel this much!?"
scene ep4_jade_lewd85 with dissolve
ja "HAHAHA! OH FUCK! HAHAHA!!!"
ja "I'm trembling!!!"
mc "AAHH!!!!"
scene ep4_jade_lewd86 with dissolve
ja "Thank you..."
ja "You have no idea how much I needed that."

mc is the MC and ja is Jade; what follows each prefix are their dialog lines.
Every scene anim_jade_[label]_ep4 is an animation.

Animations are declared in a separate file. For the example above, we have:

image anim_jade_doggy9_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_doggy9_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum_ep4.webm")
image anim_jade_cum2_ep4 = Movie(channel="anim_jade_cum2_ep4", play="images/movies/ep4/anim_jade_cum2_ep4.webm")

There's no difference between declaring movies or images, thus, he could substitute anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webp for anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm (he could even use a blank image or any other image); when anim_jade_doggy9_ep4.webm is ready, he just change the extension.

As you can see, it's very simple and to mess with it one has to be very dumb (which is not DPC's case). So it's perfectly possible to test it with stand-ins without adding any bug because it can't even be considered an algorithm to have a bug for starters.

Excellent explanation. Thus...could most of the images be substituted for various, newly created, images of Madame including sex acts? Asking for a friend.

 

[Mr_Mister]

i was watching the stills of scenes that play on the game menu and i saw 2 that i haven't seen at all in the game , #1 mona and sage in the sauna and #2 the diks dancing on their fraternity.
are those in the game or are just special renders?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

i was watching the stills of scenes that play on the game menu and i saw 2 that i haven't seen at all in the game , #1 mona and sage in the sauna and #2 the diks dancing on their fraternity.
are those in the game or are just special renders?

View attachment 2155053

Some scenes from the main menu are not in the game, so yes. They are just special renders for menu.
But they may well be cut content, such a possibility exists.

 

[shazba]

i was watching the stills of scenes that play on the game menu and i saw 2 that i haven't seen at all in the game , #1 mona and sage in the sauna and #2 the diks dancing on their fraternity.
are those in the game or are just special renders?

View attachment 2155053

Some scenes from the main menu are not in the game, so yes. They are just special renders for menu.
But they may well be cut content, such a possibility exists.

You may recall the render of Cammy & Riona sitting on the wall. That featured on the opening screen way before it featured in the actual story. Pretty cool.