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JohnPonn

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Every time i hear DPC has state of the art equipment i ask myself.. Do you really know the difference between a Game Play graphic card and a hardware rendering graphic card?
For example.. Ask Disneys Pixar how many 4090's GeForce cards they used while rendering any of there New Animated Movies..
The Answer is Zero. Non.
I have 2 years of film school and rendering digital Video was a big part of the final product. We used Graphic cards built for Video rendering. They are far more expensive because they have built in hardware. If the Game Play card costs about 900$, The Pro video render card might cost you 9000$. I am not gonna List brands or actual cards here.. Anyone who wants to know can Google. But in my experience the cheaper card took many hours to do what the Pro card did in Minutes.
You all claim DPC is a Millionaire.. So may be he should invest in some real hardware and even consider pay for some extra Help. Could speed up release from 1 year to 4-5 months :p
 

Sthr ▚ nix

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Every time i hear DPC has state of the art equipment i ask myself.. Do you really know the difference between a Game Play graphic card and a hardware rendering graphic card?
For example.. Ask Disneys Pixar how many 4090's GeForce cards they used while rendering any of there New Animated Movies..
The Answer is Zero. Non.
I have 2 years of film school and rendering digital Video was a big part of the final product. We used Graphic cards built for Video rendering. They are far more expensive because they have built in hardware. If the Game Play card costs about 900$, The Pro video render card might cost you 9000$. I am not gonna List brands or actual cards here.. Anyone who wants to know can Google. But in my experience the cheaper card took many hours to do what the Pro card did in Minutes.
You all claim DPC is a Millionaire.. So may be he should invest in some real hardware and even consider pay for some extra Help. Could speed up release from 1 year to 4-5 months :p
Well, maybe he also want to use the graphic card to play some games? I mean, in my way of work, i've been offered a Quadro by my office, but i rejected it and get an GeForce instead. Why? Because, aside of working, i also want to blow up steam and play some games. And like you said, it was cheaper.
 
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Oliver Wendell Homely

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It's the same with those "whats person xyz's net worth" websites, like how many times have they been wrong by +/- 500% ? It's why you always calculate the minimum first and then take an educated guess.
Yeah, I think those "net worth" websites are total BS. A close friend of mine is out in Los Angeles and has been trying to become a professional actor for close to 30 years. He's had bit parts in a few shitty movies and self-funded a few series on YouTube. He works in tech and earns decent money, but spends it all self-funding his projects. He's generally broke and has even had to borrow money from his dad and brother. But a couple years ago he popped up on one of these sites with a net worth of several million dollars. He doesn't even own a home! Gave us all a good laugh.
 
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Every time i hear DPC has state of the art equipment i ask myself.. Do you really know the difference between a Game Play graphic card and a hardware rendering graphic card?
For example.. Ask Disneys Pixar how many 4090's GeForce cards they used while rendering any of there New Animated Movies..
The Answer is Zero. Non.
I have 2 years of film school and rendering digital Video was a big part of the final product. We used Graphic cards built for Video rendering. They are far more expensive because they have built in hardware. If the Game Play card costs about 900$, The Pro video render card might cost you 9000$. I am not gonna List brands or actual cards here.. Anyone who wants to know can Google. But in my experience the cheaper card took many hours to do what the Pro card did in Minutes.
You all claim DPC is a Millionaire.. So may be he should invest in some real hardware and even consider pay for some extra Help. Could speed up release from 1 year to 4-5 months :p
The MSRP of an RTX 4090 is $1599. The times when the most expensive gaming graphics card cost under $1000 are long over.

BaDIK is the work of one man only. If I were in his shoes, I would only consider spending 9000 bucks per card if two conditions were met.

One, I was making enough money to be able to wipe my ass with the bills and not feel bad about it.
Two, the rendering performance of these professional cards was at least five times better than that of an RTX 4090.
 
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always86

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Your math is sound, except for the starting point at least when it comes to finances. When you are given 2 estimates that create a low end and high end limit, and they happen to be 300% !!!! apart than they aren't estimates that can be used in any credible way and you default to the lowest amount that you know is for certain.

An example as to why: A developer has 1000 supporters and offers 1$/5$10$ tiers, the statistical tool calculates the probabilites how many of those 1000 are using the 1$/5$/10$ option and generates high/low estimates. The next day he adds a 50$ and a 100$ option, his income doesn't change by a cent, but the high estimate will completely ballon out of control as it shifts supporters from lower tier to higher tier options and by taking low+high/2 the resulting simple average will have so much uncertainty that it no longer has any merit.

I know you weren't complaining and I have no idea how much he has really made either, guessing at a gross income, without enough data is incredible difficult and that doesn't even adress that people usually ignore fee's or costs.

He most certainly made a huge pile of money, but no, it's neither fair nor safe that he made at least 2 Million. Fair and most of all safe would be :"Not accounting for his costs and given an average patreon count of x, he made at least x times lowest tier times 24 in the last 2 years."
Given that neither of us are his accountant, or indeed the good Doctor himself, we’ll never actually known.

That said I think it’s irrational to argue that his average contribution would be the same as his minimum sub similar to me arguing we use the largest sub. $58,500 is less than $5 a sub a month. That figure falls between his bottom two tiers. It’s not a ridiculous assumption especially since most of his reward tiers start above that.

And besides all that, even if his Patreon has somehow only netted him an average of $1 per sub, which is 100% not the case, he’d have made $300k in 2 years, plus the income from other 3 years, and that‘s not accounting for release months where people put their subs up to get the new release sooner. I for example have a $1 sub, and do a $25 sub in a release month. That meant I gave him $60 last year. That’s $5 a month.

Not to mention the $2.9m estimate on steam for BADIK and another $0.79m for Acting Lessons. And the GoG income.

Honestly I think $2m is almost certainly lowballing it. And again, I’m not begrudging him the income, he makes a game a lot of people love he deserves to make whatever money he can.
 

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Given that neither of us are his accountant, or indeed the good Doctor himself, we’ll never actually known.

That said I think it’s irrational to argue that his average contribution would be the same as his minimum sub similar to me arguing we use the largest sub. $58,500 is less than $5 a sub a month. That figure falls between his bottom two tiers. It’s not a ridiculous assumption especially since most of his reward tiers start above that.

And besides all that, even if his Patreon has somehow only netted him an average of $1 per sub, which is 100% not the case, he’d have made $300k in 2 years, plus the income from other 3 years, and that‘s not accounting for release months where people put their subs up to get the new release sooner. I for example have a $1 sub, and do a $25 sub in a release month. That meant I gave him $60 last year. That’s $5 a month.

Not to mention the $2.9m estimate on steam for BADIK and another $0.79m for Acting Lessons. And the GoG income.

Honestly I think $2m is almost certainly lowballing it. And again, I’m not begrudging him the income, he makes a game a lot of people love he deserves to make whatever money he can.
Now that whole statement I can totally get behind, and that was actually my whole point. It's guaranteed that he made at least 300k over 2 years and a near certainty that he made more and probably WAY more.

You probably heard the phrase "don't trust any statistics you didn't fake yourself" and from my experience it's even more accurate when it involves money. We dont have first or second hand knowledge, since neither DPC, Steam or Patreon go on record. Then they bypass their own claim of legitimacy by calling it estimates and everyone jumps on like a dog on a bone.

And without knowing costs, I wouldn't even try to estimate what he made, but I agree that for the industry the more DPC made the better, since it encourages industry growth and brings other talented people into the fold, trying their own luck.
 

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Not to mention the $2.9m estimate on steam for BADIK and another $0.79m for Acting Lessons. And the GoG income.
Those estimates are impressive and all but you need to remember that both GOG/Steam take fees(30%).
Without a doubt DPC earns a lot of money but probably less than most people imagine.
 

Sthr ▚ nix

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When is the next update coming?
We don't know. But if you just take your time to read couple pages back, i think you could found someone post calculation and estimation for the next update. IF you just take your time to READ. Just in case you didn't notice my sarcasm.
 
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Lightaces

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Every time i hear DPC has state of the art equipment i ask myself.. Do you really know the difference between a Game Play graphic card and a hardware rendering graphic card?
For example.. Ask Disneys Pixar how many 4090's GeForce cards they used while rendering any of there New Animated Movies..
The Answer is Zero. Non.
I have 2 years of film school and rendering digital Video was a big part of the final product. We used Graphic cards built for Video rendering. They are far more expensive because they have built in hardware. If the Game Play card costs about 900$, The Pro video render card might cost you 9000$. I am not gonna List brands or actual cards here.. Anyone who wants to know can Google. But in my experience the cheaper card took many hours to do what the Pro card did in Minutes.
You all claim DPC is a Millionaire.. So may be he should invest in some real hardware and even consider pay for some extra Help. Could speed up release from 1 year to 4-5 months :p
There has been some discussion over whether or not an A6000 type card would be a good option for DPC, but the main benefit he would see on one of those cards over the $1,500-$2,000 RTX4090's he just more memory. They are using the same chips, built on the same dies, and while the A6000 uses better performing chips, not by much. So, really, all the A6000 does is give him the ability to do more complicated scene, and that just means he would spend more time using up that memory.

The RTX4090 really does blur the lines with the big commercial cards. And, at least in some testing of the kind of software DPC is using, the RTX4090 beats out the A6000 ADA, which isn't too surprising as the A6000 is really geared more towards AI work than rendering. And given he uses DAZ for at least some of his rendering work, which is a Nvidia product, he is forced to use an Nvidia graphics card.
 

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It doesn't make sense, because besides rendering, there is still manual work - he needs to deal with posing and preparing the scene. It takes time. A lot of time. If you've read his reports, you might have noticed, "I posed for 200 static renders this week." By the way, the record was about 250. But there are also difficult scenes when he manages to prepare a little more than 100 a week. New hardware, these RTX 4090s will reduce the render queue and we won't have to wait long for the manual work to be completed.
But these incredibly fast and expensive video cards are pointless - they will quickly process renders and will be idle for half the production cycle of a new episode. Thus, their purchase does not justify itself.
And don't compare Disney Pixar, the multi-billion dollar corporation that makes the most complex animated CGI, with indie developer who works alone.
It's not even that any more. The A6000 ADA isn't significantly faster than an RTX 4090. It is more efficient, they can be linked together, and they have more memory, but it is the same technology at the core, and for what DPC is doing, it just isn't going to speed things up. That's the thing, the state of the art in computer technology really is being put into the highest end consumer graphics cards.
 
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