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Yeah, there's a newish game with a hot sister (who is not an LI, incest has been ruled out totally by the devs) and the anti-NTR crew are there saying that if the sister hooks up with another character (even if it's only implied and not shown) then they'll abandon the game.

Personally I'm not a fan of NTR in it's correct context (LI cheating on MC either through coercion by male in power position or LI cheating to belittle the MC), however I would have no problem with Sage, Bella or Jill finding another guy if you're on a different route.
As a Ntr hater, I also don't have a problem with them ending up with another dude in different routes but I do have a problem if they are shown having sex considering the facts this is not a harem game and I pretty much likes all the love interest? Why would I want to watch other love interests who are not in my route having sex with random dudes? That being said I couldn't mind/care if it is implied that rusty decided to date Jill but it be another thing watching them do it.

Also, I don't know why people add hot sister and mother in non-incest games? And think people are not gonna complain? If a character is hot and has cool model, it pretty normal for people to want sex with them instead of watching them having sex with another man like a cuck. (I call that readers getting cucked Ntr) Then again everyone have their own point of views and perspectives and at the end of the day they are not my sisters or mother. They are just 3D models I happened to like.
 

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Because it's porn and this is a porn game after all. Would you call Pornhub NTR? All the actors are possible LI because you can go, find them, dating, and maybe marry them.
I call it fantasy game more than porn game. Porn is not it only theme, it pretty simple for anyone to understand who actually reads? I am not playing this game just to jerk off? There are better porn materials than this. Games like this are for people want to live a fantasy world made by someone else to entertain themselves. Most importantly, there aren't any pov with choices in porn video lmfao. Well, you do you. I want to play a game where I am much more control over it rather than feel like a dumb npc. Nonetheless, it pretty much off-topic rn
 
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No, there isn't. With a very large stretch, NTR can be considered sex between Josy and Maya in episode 5, but the player in the friendship path doesn't see it. The doctor has already shown himself to be enough of a chicken when he made Zoe cherish her pussy for a year for the main character's sake.

It means nothing at all. I assume that Sage has some sexual preference for BDSM. In episode 9 she liked the MC choking her, liked anal, liked sex in the basement. She also liked being watched when she fucks.
Also, I don't think he would create separate scenes for that choice. I assume there will be something similar to scenes 50 or 100% that depends on MC's choices at the end of episode 9. Also, if tDPC was really planning the MMF, he wouldn't have made up clones, he would have just made renders with certain characters, which suggests that DPC wasn't sure about the audience's reaction.
And most importantly. If he did that, Sage or Isabella would just be hated. You're very much understating the importance of the anti-NTR community. The authors of Redfall had to remake the game just because the main character's mother had sex with her own husband there.
I don't like NTR either but the anti-NTR-brigade is the most toxic cancer in the whole AVN community. Seriously, what a bunch of crybabies. It's not enough a LI in a game doesn't have sex with another character even there's no relationship with the MC. No. Many of those fragile wizards starts to complain if there's sex of a character they just found hot. It doesn't have to be a LI.
I think it's just a small gang of whiners (I'm not an NTR fan myself but what you describe is complete madness). I think if DPC would like to implement an MFM or an ending for LI with another man if you didn't choose her path, then he can easily do it. DPC has full control over game's community in Discord, Patreon and Steam - if someone dares to set such conditions for him, he will receive an immediate ban. He can just shut up the fanatics from anti-NTR church.
 
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Bro, I agree with everything you said, but you have no idea how militant they are. I once saw a discussion in this very thread where someone said : "So what, make it optional and then those who dislike it can choose vanilla." ... other dude totally flipped "Noooo, but then it's in the game !!! I don't want to know that *she* fucks someone else in other people's playthroughs!" Then he went on a rant about "wasted renders" and within hours there were dozens of them, they multiplied like rabbits and then started to threaten that they will pull all support if "that" happens.

These people are completely fucked in the head, don't underestimate them.
Well, let stier support be turned off, as a result, his Patreon will lose one-two hundred subscribers - this, in times of monthly fluctuations, (12-13.5k) will not even go beyond the statistical error. In general, it's funny to hear this from pirates who are hardly even subscribed to him.
Oh god, let's say there's a potential NTR in the game that you can avoid if you don't want to... no wonder they're over 30 and still virgins. I remember there were NTR battles here but I try not to even read this, meaningless keyboard circlejerks that lead nowhere.
 

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Well, let stier support be turned off, as a result, his Patreon will lose one-two hundred subscribers - this, in times of monthly fluctuations, (12-13.5k) will not even go beyond the statistical error. In general, it's funny to hear this from pirates who are hardly even subscribed to him.
Oh god, let's say there's a potential NTR in the game that you can avoid if you don't want to... no wonder they're over 30 and still virgins. I remember there were NTR battles here but I try not to even read this, meaningless keyboard circlejerks that lead nowhere.
Well said ! And i honestly think DPC doesn't give a fuck about Patreon, but just 100 of them could neg bomb review Season 3 and cost him a lot of money.

It's an absolut joke that one small group of people hold so much power.
 

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And digressing from the next potential NTR posting.
I found the complete Being a DIK soundtrack.
The trick is that for such oldfags who like to store music on a PC / phone, and not in the cloud - yes, you can download the complete collection and listen whenever you want, without internet.
Link here:

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Suggestion for mpa71 to pin this post link with your development stats. A lot of people like the music from the game.
 
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Well said ! And i honestly think DPC doesn't give a fuck about Patreon, but just 100 of them could neg bomb review Season 3 and cost him a lot of money.

It's an absolut joke that one small group of people hold so much power.
It's especially funny to witness how defensive the anti-NTR brigade gets when someone who dislikes NTR tries to reason with them. I recall a few years ago when this thread had a few dozen anti-NTR posts replying to this one guy that said that JB and Elena having sex in that one cutscene wasn't NTR(which I agree with 100%. If you don't, please, go lose your fucking virginity.). Searching for it now, I think they got deleted.

Actually, reminds me of my favorite scene in the movie "In Bruges".
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Well said ! And i honestly think DPC doesn't give a fuck about Patreon, but just 100 of them could neg bomb review Season 3 and cost him a lot of money.

It's an absolut joke that one small group of people hold so much power.
Separated this answer from the soundtrack post, but same thing: They don't really have any power. Review bombing is blocked by Steam algorithms and, at the user request can be removed from the general statistics.
A lot of people criticize DPC for authoritarian methods of communicating with the community, censorship, but considering how the crowd behaves and we live in an era of hypersensitive people: he does everything right. A man follows his own vision and doesn't listen to anyone.
 

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It's especially funny to witness how defensive the anti-NTR brigade gets when someone who dislikes NTR tries to reason with them. I recall a few years ago when this thread had a few dozen anti-NTR posts replying to this one guy that said that JB and Elena having sex in that one cutscene wasn't NTR(which I agree with 100%. If you don't, please, go lose your fucking virginity.). Searching for it now, I think they got deleted.

Actually, reminds me of my favorite scene in the movie "In Bruges".
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I believe the images are ep4_quri17_fr0.jpg, ep4_quri17_fr1. jpg and ep4_quri17_fr2.jpg. They are still in there during a flashback to Quinn and Tommy talking about how HOTs and DIKs should always party together.
 
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It's pretty easy actually. I infer a lot, since we know almost nothing about her, but let's just say her involuntary reactions to certain things are quite eye opening. Do you really think she is one dimensional to the point of being unredeemable?
Not at all. I believe she can be redeemed. If you infer a lot you can infer from my post that I have not dropped the Quinn path completely yet. Why? Because of what you mentioned. Seeing her without makeup, with no one else around, with her walls down...it's kind of endearing. But the bits and pieces of Quinn I like are the ones she tries desperately and voluntarily to shut down and erase. If she is a nice person for 5% of the time you see her and an absolute cunt for the other 95%, it becomes really hard to defend her. And trust me I've gone to lenghts to try and bring out the "best" of her.
 
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I felt the Mona situation was relatively straight forward. She signed up with Quinn to fuck for free tuition, but balked when she found out she'd be fucking old guys:

Quinn: "You two. Leave."​
Lily: "No. We're staying."​
Quinn: "No, you're not. It's girl talk time."​
Lily: "You're in luck! I'm a girl."​
Lily: "Also, I already know what it's about."​
Quinn: "..."​
Lily: "Don't worry. I keep secrets very well."​
Quinn: "Hopefully better than others."​
Mona: "I wasn't going to tell anyone, she overheard us talking."​
Quinn: "And \"us\" alludes to you and Camila?"​
Mona: "I'm sorry, I couldn't do it."​
Mona: "I thought I could, but as soon as he started touching me I felt sick."​
Quinn: "Pathetic. This isn't the same go-getter I talked to before."​
Quinn: "You know what you agreed to."​
Mona: "But I don't want it anymore. You never told me I had to do old guys!"
Quinn: "Mona, Mona, Mona..."​
Quinn: "What do you expect me to do now?"​
Mona: "I won't tell anyone."​
Quinn: "That's a promise that means nothing to me."​
Quinn: "Case in point, Lily."​
Mona: "It won't happen again. I promise!"​
Mona: "I won't say another word about it or the drug deals."​
Lily: "The drug deals?"​
Mona: "Oh..."​
Quinn: "..."​

Why she leaves we don't know. She was paying her own way initially, then got the "scholarship", then the "scholarship" was rescinded, then she quit college. Probably wanted to put a very uncomfortable experience behind her.
You raise a solid point by highlighting this dialogue.

Perhaps it doesn't mean anything, though I still think it's possbile that certain 'sponsors' are into weird kinds of kinky stuff that had her extra uncomfortable.


Mona leaves and Camila follows her. This is known when the MC goes through the same door that Camila came out of, Stephen goes in after the incident and the MC follows Stephen. Camila left the Preps Mansion together with Mona. Ergo, Camila did not have sex with Stephen at the Preps party and she is definitely not on Stephen's radar.

In EP8 we learn the reasons for Camila and Riona's prostitution.

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Riona wanted to grab a rich guy and enjoy her life. I think so that's what Quinn wants as well. They just keep their heads above water with drug dealing and prostitution until they reach their goal. But they don't want old guys. Therefore they try to catch themselves a Preps. Mona rushes things and gets on Stephen's radar. He asks Mona for sex, but not because he wants sex, but because he can confirm a rumor that way.

Mona has to leave, but Camila can stay because she's not on Stephen's radar. Maybe that's even why Mona is leaving. If she stayed, she would put all of her sisters on Stephen's radar, including her friend Camila. Actually, that's a good clue so Stephen wouldn't work with Quinn and lie to Mona about her connection to Stephen.

This is also why I am worried about Maya and the MC. The MC is found out so that his family, maternal side, wants to finance his Girlfriend's studies. Maya learns about the MC herself in EP7 so that his grandparents are rich.

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I'm still in the group that thinks Burke is a shady bastard, I definitely do not think he is innocent - though if DPC can convincingly write a surprise plot there then I won't object.

I agree that it seems kinda sus with regards to the major choice brackets, however I also wonder how hugging in a purely friendly manner will cause issues, especially given the potential explain/refuse options for her kissing you.
And perhaps DPC thought it was too obvious to trip people up with the Heather major choice? I do assume that he will be more subtle with trapping/tricking players. Like how on the Sage route she has that slight difference of reaction if you vote for Zoey for best costume...
 
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Not at all. I believe she can be redeemed. If you infer a lot you can infer from my post that I have not dropped the Quinn path completely yet. Why? Because of what you mentioned. Seeing her without makeup, with no one else around, with her walls down...it's kind of endearing. But the bits and pieces of Quinn I like are the ones she tries desperately and voluntarily to shut down and erase. If she is a nice person for 5% of the time you see her and an absolute cunt for the other 95%, it becomes really hard to defend her. And trust me I've gone to lenghts to try and bring out the "best" of her.
Her scene with Tommy at the end of Episode 9 really shows that she can be. But yeah, those scenes are rare and there are so many times where she does horrible things, like the way she treats Riona who's supposed to be her best friend. Maybe losing that friendship will make her rethink how she treats people?
 
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