VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Crusader of Romance]

Even is you are Neutral or Chick affinity you still can’t tell her you are not interested. The best you can do is reject every option to take it further - the game acknowledges that you are not interested because you don’t get JILL as on option at the end.

But bottom line, if you are nice to JILL, just nice, nothing more, then she develops a heavy crush on you - she forces herself into your bed on two occasions.

What? When does she force herself into your bed? The only two times I can think of when they share beds is when she lies on Bella's sofa, next to the MC after asking and the MC telling her it's OK, and when the MC has to stay in her bed because he had a concussion, because it's the only bed.

Depends on what you call a date. You have to be nice to her - and that forces the tennis game - is that a date or two friends playing tennis. If the MC played tennis with Denis would that be a date.

But you can do as much as you can to make it clear that you are just friends, you still have to play tennis but there is no shower scene and no option to kiss her afterwards.

Is the whole friend zone issue (normally you see it with the genders reversed) where you are friends, one is content with that but the other wants more.

Putting it simply, if the MC treats JILL nicely she very quickly develops a crush on him.

The MC asks her out on a date and ends it by telling her he hopes there is a second date, he keeps calling it a date. "Jill. Would you like to go out on a date with me?". Would he say that to Denis?
I have never seen a version where the MC tells her that they are only playing tennis as friends and where there is no option to kiss her.

 

[yossa999]

Depends on what you call a date. You have to be nice to her - and that forces the tennis game - is that a date or two friends playing tennis. If the MC played tennis with Denis would that be a date.

But you can do as much as you can to make it clear that you are just friends, you still have to play tennis but there is no shower scene and no option to kiss her afterwards.

Is the whole friend zone issue (normally you see it with the genders reversed) where you are friends, one is content with that but the other wants more.

Putting it simply, if the MC treats JILL nicely she very quickly develops a crush on him.

I've been replaying the game from the beginning, which I haven't done in a few years, and now I see that I didn't really pay attention to how some of the storylines were set in stone, at least in the first season. No, you can't get away from the plot that easily. This date is not just a friendly date, even if you decide to go there just to get revenge on Tybalt. The MC says through his internal dialogue that he wants to give Jill a chance and see if there is something between them. Same with M&J, you can't tell Josy you're not interested, you can either fuck her or admit to her that you want it, you just want to do it right. In other words, you can control the MC's footlong, but not his feelings.

 

[soprano31]

What? When does she force herself into your bed? The only two times I can think of when they share beds is when she lies on Bella's sofa, next to the MC after asking and the MC telling her it's OK, and when the MC has to stay in her bed because he had a concussion, because it's the only bed.



The MC asks her out on a date and ends it by telling her he hopes there is a second date, he keeps calling it a date. "Jill. Would you like to go out on a date with me?". Would he say that to Denis?
I have never seen a version where the MC tells her that they are only playing tennis as friends and where there is no option to kiss her.

Just a question,who is here all the time Denis?
is that Derek's name when he dresses up as a woman and finally comes out as a transvestite ?

 

[Crusader of Romance]

What happens if Bella disapproves? Like if you wear the dildo helmet during lunch. Is her path blocked off?

Bella's path is blocked off, but not Jills. It's just a little harder to get with Jill.

Just a question,who is here all the time Denise?
is that Derek's name when he dresses up as a woman and finally comes out as a transvestite ?

I have no idea. I just figured I had forgotten some character when he mentioned him/her.

 

[I'm Canadian bub]

Just a question,who is here all the time Denise?
is that Derek's name when he dresses up as a woman and finally comes out as a transvestite ?

Clearly, he means Dennis the Menace.

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[NH1980]

Denis? I assume that was a typo and you meant Derek?

It is a date though, and it is made clear several times. You can only make Fuckface an asshole about it if you pick the choice that you asked Jill out to annoy Tybalt, at no point is it just a friendly meet-up.

Yep did mean Derek. When I wrote Denis thought it looked wrong but just thought I had misspelt it.

I guess it is a date. But on the other hand it is just a game of tennis. I’ve played squash with female and male colleagues at work and at no point did I ever consider them a date. But I do agree that they call it a date when texting to arrange it.

The issue is, even before this, JILL has already developed a heavy crush on the MC - for example, she climbs into bed and snuggles up to him after he has been beaten up just to comfort him.

 

[NH1980]

Just a question,who is here all the time Denise?
is that Derek's name when he dresses up as a woman and finally comes out as a transvestite ?

Okay so you poke fun at me for mis-remembering Derek’s name and then you go and introduce another misspelt name. No one mentioned Denise until you did.

Or did you deliberately mis-spell Denis to try and make a joke.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Yep did mean Derek. When I wrote Denis thought it looked wrong but just thought I had misspelt it.

I guess it is a date. But on the other hand it is just a game of tennis. I’ve played squash with female and male colleagues at work and at no point did I ever consider them a date. But I do agree that they call it a date when texting to arrange it.

The issue is, even before this, JILL has already developed a heavy crush on the MC - for example, she climbs into bed and snuggles up to him after he has been beaten up just to comfort him.

Well, all the main girls show some interest/crush in the MC before we decide which path to follow, not just Jill. Bella is the one that doesn´t do much after we don´t follow her to the library in ep3, and both M&j which depends on our answer to Derek, I mean Denis , in ep5.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I guess it is a date. But on the other hand it is just a game of tennis. I’ve played squash with female and male colleagues at work and at no point did I ever consider them a date.

Do you tell your colleagues "Would you like to go out on a date with me?" before playing with them? That is kind of important to the point.

The issue is, even before this, JILL has already developed a heavy crush on the MC - for example, she climbs into bed and snuggles up to him after he has been beaten up just to comfort him.

He had a concussion and the "snuggle" is when she's asleep.

 

[NH1980]

Do you tell your colleagues "Would you like to go out on a date with me?" before playing with them? That is kind of important to the point.

My full paragraph concluded with

But I do agree that they call it a date when texting to arrange it.

But you omitted that part.

 

[yossa999]

The Josy part is understandable, it's canon that Fuckface has had a crush on this girl for 2 months, no way would he drop it after the first kiss. What should be avoidable is Fuckface getting feelings the player doesn't want from when he gets to B&R. We can reject any sort of romantic interaction with Sage multiple times. But with Maya and Jill you're pushed into romantic feelings even if you take every option that they don't like (looking up Maya's skirt on first meeting, complimenting Jill with DIK status etc). You'll still kiss Maya, you'll still see the Jill date as romantic.

Yes, there are many scenes that seem inconsistent from the player's point of view. For example, you want to date Jill because you are interested in her. Then you remember that she said that Bella advised her to go on a date with you. You can thank Bella, which seems natural to me and means nothing but a simple gratitude, or you can just ignore her. But if you decide to thank her, the MC will go out of control and jump on her with kisses in the library.
But damn, again, how could I miss this when I first played it. Bella in the library: "I did the right thing. This was for Jill. Married women don't fool around with young students." Okay, I get it, she's a little regretful that she can't/shouldn't hook up with him and that she herself pushed him to Jill. But then: "They aren't intimate with friends either. But that... that was different! It doesn't matter... I've stopped it." What is she talking about?

 

[Crusader of Romance]

You should be a news reporter for one of the biased media companies with you selective quoting.

My full paragraph concluded with

But you chose to omit that, presumably because it didn’t fit with your agenda.

No, that was about the texting. I'm talking about when the MC ask the Jill out on a date, in person, because you were downplaying that they played tennis, like it mattered what they did.
And be honest, you were very biased when you tried to paint Jill as someone who "forced" herself into the MC's bed and made up the dating in her head.

 

[I'm Canadian bub]

Yes, there are many scenes that seem inconsistent from the player's point of view. For example, you want to date Jill because you are interested in her. Then you remember that she said that Bella advised her to go on a date with you. You can thank Bella, which seems natural to me and means nothing but a simple gratitude, or you can just ignore her. But if you decide to thank her, the MC will go out of control and jump on her with kisses in the library.
But damn, again, how could I miss this when I first played it. Bella in the library: "I did the right thing. This was for Jill. Married women don't fool around with young students." Okay, I get it, she's a little regretful that she can't/shouldn't hook up with him and that she herself pushed him to Jill. But then: "They aren't intimate with friends either. But that... that was different! It doesn't matter... I've stopped it." What is she talking about?

Yeah, that still remains to be learned. Up until episode 9, not a single clarification has been made about Bella's mysterious lines or the random prophetic thought from Fuckface that follows that forced library interaction. Doesn't stop it being annoying that when you get that option it doesn't make it loud and clear that it's not an innocent option. It is kind of a cop-out though that the MC can still thank her innocently after the fact if you choose not to go to her.

 

[NH1980]

No, that was about the texting. I'm talking about when the MC ask the Jill out on a date, in person, because you were downplaying that they played tennis, like it mattered what they did.
And be honest, you were very biased when you tried to paint Jill as someone who "forced" herself into the MC's bed and made up the dating in her head.

Fair enough.

I still maintain that she doesn’t give the MC any choice whether she can climb into bed with him or not.

And to be honest he hasn’t done that much at that point to show any emotional interest in her.

At the end of the day, it’s a game where women throw themselves at the MC so shouldn’t read that much into it.

I guess what the developer is trying to convey is that JILL is an insecure person, she hasn’t been treated that well in the past, so when the MC is nice to her she finds that attractive and develops a crush.

Rewinding back to the beginning, this all started with a question a few pages back

”Is it possible to follow the BELLA path without upsetting JILL in Episode 8”

The short answer is “NO”

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Yes, there are many scenes that seem inconsistent from the player's point of view. For example, you want to date Jill because you are interested in her. Then you remember that she said that Bella advised her to go on a date with you. You can thank Bella, which seems natural to me and means nothing but a simple gratitude, or you can just ignore her. But if you decide to thank her, the MC will go out of control and jump on her with kisses in the library.

Yeah, that scene annoyed me.

 

[I'm Canadian bub]

That quote (more than the scene of them in bed) is what leads me to think there was something of a sexual nature between Jill and Bella in the past. Whether that relates to James leaving or not is a totally different question and could go either way.

I abhor this theory, and I may be the only person who does, simply because Jill makes no mention of it to Fuckface. Bella not saying anything is par for the course, but Jill not saying a word about it? It makes her the worst LI, in my opinion, not that she wasn't already second-worst. I can't even call it a silly idea, the clues that we get allude to you being right.

Ugh, whatever. If it hasn't been made clear already, I fucking detest Jill. Of course, she has to drag Bella down with her, the rich little naive cunt.

 

[yossa999]

Yeah, that scene annoyed me.

That's it. No, I understand that the MC has mentioned this several times, that lately he had crushes so easily and acted impulsively. So this sudden burst of passion for Bella is consistent with his general behavior towards girls. But for the player, especially who has already chosen the favorite girl, it's damn annoying.

 

[ProxyGist]

Now BAD is literally Game of Thrones. Each new episode is like a new season of Game of Thrones. But I think like Game of Thrones the ending will be crap. AL had a shitty ending. Being able to finish such a long project is also an important skill. Considering that all the controversial and weird decisions from episode 9 like long freeroams, useless animations, lots of new minigames, party planner will be carried over into episode 10, I don't expect anything good from the new episode. I'm sure episode 10 won't be much different from episode 9.

 

[ProxyGist]

Is it me or Maya's skin...is really bad and weird

Maya is not the only one with oddities. Sage's skin is shiny, Josy has ugly cheekbones and iron teeth, Jill looks like a man, and Bella has the proportions of a fat woman.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I love this game, but I think this is one of its weak parts. We should have had the option to tell her.

DPC has created MC a little retarded in this case, just for more drama. Of course, you should have made it clear to Jill earlier that you are not interested in her ... Although Jill is also a little sick of retardism.

But I'm happy with the fire I got when completed Jill's route and chose Bella. Now waiting for fallout