VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Sun of Rome]

I'm half convinced they didn't sign actual loan docs because the loans aren't showing up on credit reports - and they would - and DPC tells us about that as a clue.

Yeah, that's probably it. Basically, Maya has no way out. She can't accuse her father of fraud, otherwise he'll be arrested and unable to follow Helen. Not to mention that this whole blackmail situation, if it gets to Helen, will be a serious blow to her.
So the obvious options to solve this dialectic are several.
1) Derek drops out of college and goes home to take care of Helen while Patrick gets arrested.
2) Helen dies and Patrick no longer has power over Maya. Sounds cruel, but only if Helen dies will she be free.
I don't see any positive outcome to this whole story either way.
P.S. I wonder what kind of landmine DPС put under Sage.

 

[NewTricks]

It's pretty rich that Sarah shames the DIKs by posting the pics of their pics posted outside the dorms. Why does Sarah go to the dorms? She doesn't live there. She goes to the dorms to suck dick through a glory hole for Quinn's restaurant. So fuck you, Sarah. You're a lying bitch and if the cops weren't here I'd spit in your face.

 

[Sun of Rome]

You say you don't agree but you don't really explain why.

It's pretty plain. AVN after AVN has complaint after complaint of devs milking projects. Going incommunicado/radio silent. Taking their old sweet time making a game.

Patreon does not offer a contract or rebates. You don't have to start a project with clear goals and timelines and be held liable by your financial backers if you don't meet them. Patreon is a subscription service. And that, along with the trend to make just about everything a subscription service, means people lose track of them easily. It's one reason I don't use it and would rather do things like the Buy Me a Coffee.

So yeah, I can see the trend and BaDIK falls into that trend, with dev times getting longer and longer and people complaining about vague, uninformative updates that don't deliver clear goals or deadlines.

Now, if you have an argument for why Patreon *does* incentivize quick development times for AVN's I'm all ears.

I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but I don't know of any developers who post reports every week.
Even when there is no development information, he still posts a status update every Friday. Not to mention posting previews, polls, and the annual Q&A.
I certainly wish his status updates were more complete or he kept some sort of progress chart like other developers do, but otherwise I have no complaints about him.

 

[Darkwen]

It's pretty rich that Sarah shames the DIKs by posting the pics of their pics posted outside the dorms. Why does Sarah go to the dorms? She doesn't live there. She goes to the dorms to suck dick through a glory hole for Quinn's restaurant. So fuck you, Sarah. You're a lying bitch and if the cops weren't here I'd spit in your face.

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Sarah is a horny slut that just wants cock but she way better then crab girl. That said she no where close to being as good as Josy

 

[Porthas]

I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but I don't know of any developers who post reports every week.

Exactly. And that's a weakness of the system. There's no accountability built in. Whether or not you're okay with that doesn't change this weakness. And it does end up bugging a lot of people, I see complaint after complaint on these boards about not only no status reports, but status reports that don't really tell people anything they can use to determine if the project they're giving money to is going anywhere.

 

[NewTricks]

Sarah is a horny slut that just wants cock but she way better then crab girl

I'm just kidding. I love Sarah. But I love quoting "The Last Boy Scout" more.

 

[BlenderGuy]

Exactly. And that's a weakness of the system. There's no accountability built in. Whether or not you're okay with that doesn't change this weakness. And it does end up bugging a lot of people, I see complaint after complaint on these boards about not only no status reports, but status reports that don't really tell people anything they can use to determine if the project they're giving money to is going anywhere.

When I did work in construction it was based on completion of work. The funding for game devs is different as there will be people who appreciate the talent of the creator and want to fund their art. And then there are people who simply want to pay for a game in its entirety. I don't believe any dev releases a game with the intentions of pissing off those who enjoy their games. I don't believe any dev wants to be in a situation where people are complaining while the person is trying to be motivated artistically. If it were me, I'd probably hide under my duvet and never want to make another game again.
The other issue is real life gets in the way of game development. Many of these games are being made by people who have to allocate time around work and family, which again adds stress. All I would say is, pay what you feel is acceptable for the first part of a game and then wait patiently. I waited twenty years for George Lucas to make the prequels, and it felt like he'd shat in my eyes when I watched it. Then I later realised, it was his creation after all, and whatever subjective opinion I had meant zero.

 

[Sun of Rome]

Exactly. And that's a weakness of the system. There's no accountability built in. Whether or not you're okay with that doesn't change this weakness. And it does end up bugging a lot of people, I see complaint after complaint on these boards about not only no status reports, but status reports that don't really tell people anything they can use to determine if the project they're giving money to is going anywhere.

You always have a choice. You can delete the game, clear the history and just wait for the game to be released in steam in a few years. And I think that's a good option, because you'll just forget about it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I didn't write about trust funds and you don't understand or.

Patrick concludes two contracts with Finnman Bank for Maya and Derek. A bank may decide for itself whether to grant a loan with or without a guarantee. Even if a bank wants a guarantee, the bank is not obliged to check the creditworthiness of any guarantors. A homeless person can be a guarantor. Does that make sense? Of course not, but that's the law.

Isabella explicitly asks Maya if Maya has looked at her credit report and Maya replied that her credit report was not available. I assume Isabella meant the student credit report and so did Maya. That is actually proof that it is not a student loan.

So it will be a normal loan from Finnman Bank and Maya and Derek have signed. As I wrote above, a bank does not have to check a guarantor's creditworthiness. Given Patrick's financial standing and reputation with this Finland bank (which is also the dealership's house bank), it is very likely that they did not check Patrick's children. Patrick's credit rating and reputation are excellent and the guarantors are his children. Furthermore, one should not forget that Patrick has high-quality vehicles in his dealership. The bank can also seize these vehicles if necessary.

Does the bank not check the solvency of guarantors? Are you dreaming? Even illegal moneylenders do some checks

 

[Sun of Rome]

I agree with you on point 1, but not on point 2. Even if Helen dies, that doesn't change Maya's situation. She is still dependent on her father Patrick. Patrick's motives could change. Helen's wish hasn't come true and Patrick could continue to treat Maya so badly because he blames Maya and Derek.

If Helen dies, Maya can safely sue Patrick. She won't care whether he ends up in jail or not.

 

[walker188]

Is anyone else slowly losing interest in this AVN?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its bad. It's easily the best funded and most developed AVN ever made, but its starting to remind of the MCU in a way. Like, whyyyyyy? Why is this story happening? What are we building towards?

I get that its a story based novel and NOT really meant to be fuck-fuel, but even beyond that, I'm starting to just ...not care .... about the characters. And I'm not talking about Jill or the other Diks, I mean characters I've been passionate about since the beginning. I'm a total Maya-fucker (carried a torch for her during the SAAAAAAAD Maya phase and everything) and yet despite this being an intensely Maya focused update, I wasn't all that engaged. And Sage is another favorite of mine, and I STILL haven't played my Sage run yet. I don't know if its the branching narratives, or just fatigue, but this last episode just kinda bored me (and I'm one of the three people in existence who like Ep 9 even!).

Not looking to convince anyone here. I'm truly happy if you enjoyed it, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. See if anyone felt the same.

 

[Darkwen]

Yeah, that's probably it. Basically, Maya has no way out. She can't accuse her father of fraud, otherwise he'll be arrested and unable to follow Helen. Not to mention that this whole blackmail situation, if it gets to Helen, will be a serious blow to her.
So the obvious options to solve this dialectic are several.
1) Derek drops out of college and goes home to take care of Helen while Patrick gets arrested.
2) Helen dies and Patrick no longer has power over Maya. Sounds cruel, but only if Helen dies will she be free.
I don't see any positive outcome to this whole story either way.
P.S. I wonder what kind of landmine DPС put under Sage.

Helen dying wouldn't change Patrick power over Maya his power is in Maya not knowing what she sign. My goodness what is this place coming to we talking more about loans then pussy

 

[dezokokotar]

Is anyone else slowly losing interest in this AVN?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its bad. It's easily the best funded and most developed AVN ever made, but its starting to remind of the MCU in a way. Like, whyyyyyy? Why is this story happening? What are we building towards?

I get that its a story based novel and NOT really meant to be fuck-fuel, but even beyond that, I'm starting to just ...not care .... about the characters. And I'm not talking about Jill or the other Diks, I mean characters I've been passionate about since the beginning. I'm a total Maya-fucker (carried a torch for her during the SAAAAAAAD Maya phase and everything) and yet despite this being an intensely Maya focused update, I wasn't all that engaged. And Sage is another favorite of mine, and I STILL haven't played my Sage run yet. I don't know if its the branching narratives, or just fatigue, but this last episode just kinda bored me (and I'm one of the three people in existence who like Ep 9 even!).

Not looking to convince anyone here. I'm truly happy if you enjoyed it, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. See if anyone felt the same.

Well there's your problem, your waifus suck. I'm just kidding, but Jill and Bella routes are very satisfying to me.
Though to be fair, i havent played it for a couple of years and then played ep 8-10 together for the first time, so that might have made it feel better than playing just ep 10 alone.

In fact im kinda obssesed with them to the point that im trying to recreate them in AI and talk to them So far, limited success.

 

[whiterabbit23]

any idea how to stop the game from just closing after having sex with Quinn in the car? i'm in bed saying ah so good to get some rest and the game just closes....

any ideas for this guys? this game is so bugged...incredible

 

[DarkMage73]

any ideas for this guys? this game is so bugged...incredible

If your using mods to play the game, Download the new version of the same mod and install it and try again.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

It's not as easy as you think. In EP9, Maya clearly asks the MC if Zoey and the MC never said the words "I love you" to each other. The MC says so that wasn't the problem, but that they never used the words "girlfriend and boyfriend".

As you correctly wrote, the lack of communication between Zoey and the MC is her fault. But they said it to each other so that they would love each other. EPP. This is where many people's thinking lies. The three words “I love you” are just three words, nothing more. These three words mean nothing if you don't show your love. This is the real problem between Zoey and the MC. They couldn't interpret the MC's gestures.

Many forget that not only does Zoey know the MC very well, but the MC also knows Zoey. What doesn't Zoey like and what makes her uncomfortable? When people talk about feelings. The MC knows that, we read that in the game. When you love someone, you will refrain from doing anything that makes your partner feel uncomfortable. This is how you show love and then you can say the 3 words because the 3 words “I love you” then have meaning.

So the reason the MC didn't say what he actually wanted to say to Zoey at the train station in Interlude was because he didn't want to make Zoey feel uncomfortable. The MC shows Zoey that he loves her by hugging Zoey when he says goodbye. Zoey, on the other hand, couldn't classify this hug and subsequently, Zoey made it more than clear to the MC so that she didn't feel the same way about the MC. When you love someone, that's how you stay in touch, you respond to messages, and you clarify when a picture comes up that's ambiguous. Zoey didn't do any of that. The blame clearly lies with Zoey. The MC acted out of love by not talking to Zoey about feelings because he wanted Zoey to feel comfortable. Zoey listened to Bret and followed Emma and Bret's example. Here's the point. When you love someone, you don't listen to such idiotic advice.

Let's move on to EP9 and EP10. In EP9, Zoey said to the MC so she hopes they can press play. So she thinks she wants to revive the relationship as it was before she left for San Diego. The word “play” is the operative word here. Why? In Interlude, Bret said to Zoey that when Emma got back from Las Vegas, it was like pressing play and the song was even better than before. But Emma and Bret made a mistake when they had sex again. Interlude meets EP9 and EP10.

When Zoey is with the MC, when he reads his mother's diary in EP10, Zoey says something to the MC. What? That the MC is a magnet for women. I'm wondering whether the MC is also a boy magnet, considering Chad's reaction in EP1. It is further implied that Zoey was expecting the MC to be with another girl, but she thinks so that she has the chance to fuck the MC again. It's not about a relationship yet, but more towards Emma and Bret. "Play." We get this “play” clue in EP8 from JB. JB thinks the MC is a "player" and Elena doesn't. Back to the topic. The crucial thing happens during the Thanksgiving party.

Zoey and the MC talk and the MC tells Zoey what he actually wanted to say to her when he left at the train station, but because he was considerate of Zoey, he didn't say it, but showed it with the hug. At the end of the conversation, the MC asks Zoey if she would have stayed if he had said that to her at the train station. And another point. Zoey is unsure and doesn't immediately answer what the MC said to her so she doesn't have to answer. What do we learn from DPC. This leaves us silent about a question that answers it. Zoey's silence gave the MC the answer.

Jacob's decision then seals fate.

You are confirming that their relationship problems developed due to a lack of proper communication. And it was wrong not to talk to her about feelings, because it could make Zoey uncomfortable. If you do everything not to irritate your partner and talk to her only about comfortable topics, this is not a manifestation of love, but a typical problem in modern society - people have become too snowflakes and are afraid of anything that can upset them. This is a sterile and unhealthy relationship in which you try to avoid problems rather than solve them. Yes, MC should have talked to Zoey about her feelings, even if she doesn’t like such conversations - because it’s necessary.
And Zoey problem is that then she didn't perceive MC as a boyfriend and didn't experience these feelings for him, so she incorrectly interpreted his social signals because she had no experience in relationships. And she only realized this when she lost him. Sometimes, to understand how dear a person is to you, you need to lose him.

Is anyone else slowly losing interest in this AVN?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its bad. It's easily the best funded and most developed AVN ever made, but its starting to remind of the MCU in a way. Like, whyyyyyy? Why is this story happening? What are we building towards?

I get that its a story based novel and NOT really meant to be fuck-fuel, but even beyond that, I'm starting to just ...not care .... about the characters. And I'm not talking about Jill or the other Diks, I mean characters I've been passionate about since the beginning. I'm a total Maya-fucker (carried a torch for her during the SAAAAAAAD Maya phase and everything) and yet despite this being an intensely Maya focused update, I wasn't all that engaged. And Sage is another favorite of mine, and I STILL haven't played my Sage run yet. I don't know if its the branching narratives, or just fatigue, but this last episode just kinda bored me (and I'm one of the three people in existence who like Ep 9 even!).

Not looking to convince anyone here. I'm truly happy if you enjoyed it, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. See if anyone felt the same.

Actually, no. Episode 10 only stirred up interest, after a rather average Episode 9.

 

[soprano31]

In fact im kinda obssesed with them to the point that im trying to recreate them in AI and talk to them

 

[ffive]

any ideas for this guys? this game is so bugged...incredible

It's not bugged -- the author specifically doesn't want people to use mods while playing his game. He's put some checks in it which, if they detect a mod is in use (or was used previously) shut down the game.

You'll either need to play with a mod which can work around it, or play without mods.

 

[dezokokotar]

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It's kinda fun. Mind you it's not really a "RP", it feels more like a fanfic written partly by me and partly by AI.
Granted it's not a great fanfic, it's really hard to get the characters to be accurate but it's close enough. It does have a huge appeal though - complete freedom, which is impossible in any other medium.

 

[dalli_x]

You are confirming that their relationship problems developed due to a lack of proper communication. And it was wrong not to talk to her about feelings, because it could make Zoey uncomfortable. If you do everything not to irritate your partner and talk to her only about comfortable topics, this is not a manifestation of love, but a typical problem in modern society - people have become too snowflakes and are afraid of anything that can upset them. This is a sterile and unhealthy relationship in which you try to avoid problems rather than solve them. Yes, MC should have talked to Zoey about her feelings, even if she doesn’t like such conversations - because it’s necessary.
And Zoey problem is that then she didn't perceive MC as a boyfriend and didn't experience these feelings for him, so she incorrectly interpreted his social signals because she had no experience in relationships. And she only realized this when she lost him. Sometimes, to understand how dear a person is to you, you need to lose him.

It's not that simple. You're half right about the need to address problems. But you should also consider the other half, namely when is the right time to address these problems. There's no point in asking your boss for a pay rise if the company is not in a position to pay higher wages at the moment.

The station was not the right time for the MC to talk about his feelings for Zoey. Rather, Zoey actually ruined that moment by saying to the MC that she's not able to feel anything right now. She made the MC understand that what the MC wanted to tell her would not reach her. Therefore, it could have even had the opposite effect on Zoey because she could have thought the MC was insensitive at that moment.