TittyHeaven

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Is anyone else slowly losing interest in this AVN?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its bad. It's easily the best funded and most developed AVN ever made, but its starting to remind of the MCU in a way. Like, whyyyyyy? Why is this story happening? What are we building towards?

I get that its a story based novel and NOT really meant to be fuck-fuel, but even beyond that, I'm starting to just ...not care .... about the characters. And I'm not talking about Jill or the other Diks, I mean characters I've been passionate about since the beginning. I'm a total Maya-fucker (carried a torch for her during the SAAAAAAAD Maya phase and everything) and yet despite this being an intensely Maya focused update, I wasn't all that engaged. And Sage is another favorite of mine, and I STILL haven't played my Sage run yet. I don't know if its the branching narratives, or just fatigue, but this last episode just kinda bored me (and I'm one of the three people in existence who like Ep 9 even!).

Not looking to convince anyone here. I'm truly happy if you enjoyed it, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. See if anyone felt the same.
Think it's normal. Reason familiarity breeds contempt is a saying. The more time you spend with someone or something the more risk the good stuff falls away and all you see is the flaws and room for improvement. I've played this 3 times since 2019 and will skip the next 3 episodes because I know I'd burn out or lose interest playing it every episode, I'll wait. I can not maintain interest in something year after year.

You see it happen to people with EA games on Steam all the time. Some are well and truly burnt out long before release ever comes going from the people that loved it to people that can't stand it by the time it's finished.
 

felicemastronzo

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A bank is not legally obliged to check the solvency of a guarantor. Why should it? It is a company and decides for itself whether it wants a credit check or not. Why should the state interfere in this respect? Does it make sense for the bank? No, but they are not legally obliged to do so. You should also know that there are several forms of guarantees.

Why would Maya and Derek be eligible as guarantors, even if they have been verified by the bank and have no income of their own? The bank is only interested in repaying its debts. Patrick is actually a good age and in a good financial situation. But there is one thing the bank cannot rule out. The premature death of Patrick. Helen is unable to work, but Maya and Derek can. The bank secures its money by ensuring that when Patrick dies, his children will receive the inheritance (car dealership) and will therefore be able to settle the bank's claims.
but what are you saying?

it is in the bank's interest to know whether and how solvent the guarantor may be, otherwise what would be the point of the guarantor?
To assure the bank that under no circumstances will it not collect what is expected

so the bank, or any lending institution, has no interest in accepting Maya or Derek as guarantors, because if Patrick could not pay in any way Maya or Derek would solve the problem of the unsettled debt.

you are inventing to hold up nonsense theories
 
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but what are you saying?

it is in the bank's interest to know whether and how solvent the guarantor may be, otherwise what would be the point of the guarantor?
To assure the bank that under no circumstances will it not collect what is expected

so the bank, or any lending institution, has no interest in accepting Maya or Derek as guarantors, because if Patrick could not pay in any way Maya or Derek would solve the problem of the unsettled debt.

you are inventing to hold up nonsense theories
Here is what is really going on Patrick and Madame are having an affair and have been for a long time. The loan was for both Maya college tuition and to pay for Madame new tits and tummy tuck but over time Madame needs more and more work done Patrick wants to stop paying for Maya college because he wants to be done with her but he feels guilty since Helen is slowly dying. But this has a happy ending MC will learn of this and confront Madame together they will cuck Patrick and Maya will become a stripper :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :Kappa: :Kappa:
 

felicemastronzo

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Is anyone else slowly losing interest in this AVN?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its bad. It's easily the best funded and most developed AVN ever made, but its starting to remind of the MCU in a way. Like, whyyyyyy? Why is this story happening? What are we building towards?

I get that its a story based novel and NOT really meant to be fuck-fuel, but even beyond that, I'm starting to just ...not care .... about the characters. And I'm not talking about Jill or the other Diks, I mean characters I've been passionate about since the beginning. I'm a total Maya-fucker (carried a torch for her during the SAAAAAAAD Maya phase and everything) and yet despite this being an intensely Maya focused update, I wasn't all that engaged. And Sage is another favorite of mine, and I STILL haven't played my Sage run yet. I don't know if its the branching narratives, or just fatigue, but this last episode just kinda bored me (and I'm one of the three people in existence who like Ep 9 even!).

Not looking to convince anyone here. I'm truly happy if you enjoyed it, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there. See if anyone felt the same.
it is not the game itself that interests me less, but the whole "storytelling" part , it's pretty much from at least the sixth chapter that I've been expecting who knows what to happen to eventually see each arc slowly drag on, and when something actually happens at the end (very rarely) the reaction is one of boredom

this tenth chapter was a bit of fresh air but because the ninth had been a kidnapping in a musty smelling basement (I save of the whole chapter only Zoey's arrival)
 

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It's pretty rich that Sarah shames the DIKs by posting the pics of their pics posted outside the dorms. Why does Sarah go to the dorms? She doesn't live there. She goes to the dorms to suck dick through a glory hole for Quinn's restaurant. So fuck you, Sarah. You're a lying bitch and if the cops weren't here I'd spit in your face.

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You literally liked that post though lol
 

felicemastronzo

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It's pretty rich that Sarah shames the DIKs by posting the pics of their pics posted outside the dorms. Why does Sarah go to the dorms? She doesn't live there. She goes to the dorms to suck dick through a glory hole for Quinn's restaurant. So fuck you, Sarah. You're a lying bitch and if the cops weren't here I'd spit in your face.

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it's not a big surprise, the girls in the dorm hang out with the HOTs and vice versa, we saw Sara and Melanie at the dorm party and earlier we had seen Becky at the HOTs party
 

Kpyna

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Exactly. And that's a weakness of the system. There's no accountability built in. Whether or not you're okay with that doesn't change this weakness. And it does end up bugging a lot of people, I see complaint after complaint on these boards about not only no status reports, but status reports that don't really tell people anything they can use to determine if the project they're giving money to is going anywhere.
After so many years of development, you should just trust a developer like DPC. It could be terrible at the beginning, when first episodes drops out, but not after a 5 years with a game. Every fucking week for several years already, he comes up and posts the update status. You want numbers in each update? Just for the sake of numbers or because you don't trust him? You doubt that he is really doing something and working on game or you afraid that he will abandon it? Game is huge, updates is huge and decent. Every next episode is bigger than previous, not even equal. QoL updates, general updates, quality of renders and animations - all gets better, nicer, bigger, etc.
 

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After so many years of development, you should just trust a developer like DPC. It could be terrible at the beginning, when first episodes drops out, but not after a 5 years with a game. Every fucking week for several years already, he comes up and posts the update status. You want numbers in each update? Just for the sake of numbers or because you don't trust him? You doubt that he is really doing something and working on game or you afraid that he will abandon it? Game is huge, updates is huge and decent. Every next episode is bigger than previous, not even equal. QoL updates, general updates, quality of renders and animations - all gets better, nicer, bigger, etc.
Again - This isn't about DPC. It's about the Patreon system.

If one isn't interested in my opinion on Patreon and how it doesn't incentivize developers working at a quick pace, do not read the following I put in spoilers:

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If I buy a car, there are consumer laws protecting me in case I buy a lemon ("lemon" here in the States is slang for a bad car). I can get my money back.

If I put my money in a bank, it's insured by the government up to a certain dollar amount.

Why do laws and insurance like this exist? Because nobody is expected to blindly trust car manufacturers or banks (just two examples out of many I could mention).

So why should the expectation be different for some developer out there I've never met before?

I don't "trust" any developers. I see what they produce and if I like it, I'll pay for it. If I don't, I won't. And there's no guarantee any developer will finish a project - for a wide variety of reasons, some within their control some out of their control.
 

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Oh, yeah, I've played this game, I liked it. Now I'm playing the Unbroken game that same dev is working on. Good games, I enjoy them.
Best moment in vn history. MC is eating mg1 pussy. MG2 enters the room. MC jumps up and says, it isn't what it looks like. Oh, well, you hadda be there.
 

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I will be honest, but not captivating.

too witty for DPC.

for Patrick the outcome of the chapter is still negative, the grief over the inescapable fate of his beloved wife Helen does not balance the fact that he was violent REPEATEDLY with Maya.

so Patrick remains a negative character, now, Maya and Derek may well grieve his death, but the average player? I think they would not care.

p.s. insurance could be on Helen's life :eek:


the main difference between playing it all at once and one chapter at a time is that in the second case you have a lot more time to reflect, and I don't know if that's an absolute bad thing.

the problem with Maya's loan is that it has gone past its expiration time, right now its resolution doesn't interest anyone anymore. we all know it will be resolved at some point, but the how has become a trivial matter.


it's like your friend every day telling you he has a big problem but always refuses to tell you about it, at some point it becomes routine, you don't care anymore
Getting Patrick out of the way is good for an MC-Helen path !!!! His magic protein shakes cure her.
 

Kpyna

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Again - This isn't about DPC. It's about the Patreon system.

If one isn't interested in my opinion on Patreon and how it doesn't incentivize developers working at a quick pace, do not read the following I put in spoilers:

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

If I buy a car, there are consumer laws protecting me in case I buy a lemon ("lemon" here in the States is slang for a bad car). I can get my money back.

If I put my money in a bank, it's insured by the government up to a certain dollar amount.

Why do laws and insurance like this exist? Because nobody is expected to blindly trust car manufacturers or banks (just two examples out of many I could mention).

So why should the expectation be different for some developer out there I've never met before?

I don't "trust" any developers. I see what they produce and if I like it, I'll pay for it. If I don't, I won't. And there's no guarantee any developer will finish a project - for a wide variety of reasons, some within their control some out of their control.
The most interesting part is why we complain about it at all being on a ☠ site? I don't say that everybody here have not paid/paying(subscribed)/will pay for the game and DPC particularly. I mean, that you have "rights" to discuss it in the way you are doing it only if you are DPC's patron. If you paying once to get the new episode this is no different from buying in Steam (technically, with the difference that you will not be able to refund after playing the game for up to 2 hours). And being here, you're not obliged to at all, since the game files are in the title of the post.

The only thing that can make you pay is your conscience, your desire to express gratitude or kind of say thanks for the content, for a pleasant time and joy the product (game) which gave you pleasure, for having something to say and discuss on this forum for so many years, afterall.

First time I played this game for free and downloaded it from Torrent. Then I decided to buy it on Steam, just to say MY thanks to author and to have a legal copy of the game and because I have a huge game library in my Steam account already. I'm not able to join and pay him on Patreon anyway, because it's blocked and banned in my country for dumb reasons. But if it wasn't a problem, I'd pay him for every episode released. Just to say MY thanks. I would not subscribe for months/years, since I'm not a patron and I don't have free and extra money for this. There are people who subscribe to the minimum tiers (like $1-5), but download a pirated copy because they don't want to wait. But it's still a support and a way to say their thanks.

When some AAA studio developing a game, they usually funded by future publisher and other sources including marketing and driven by earn from the sales expectations. Logically, they should be carefully monitored to ensure that deadlines are met, so that the content is top-notch and consistent with the initial statements of the studio and their plans. What do we have at the end? Years of waiting, disappointments, cutted content (because something gives out too little fps, and we just didn't have time to do that, because of rushing all the time, and this didn't work out as planned, etc, etc.). It's a STUDIOS with a hundreds of peoples involved working for them, with budgets several times much than DPC earned ever. And they still, most of the time release crap and dissapointments. With a few exceptions here and there. Or the game takes years for shape and polishing to became something like what was planned initially. And most of the AAA projects and games are a total mess and crap still and for years already.

Being in DPC shoes, having a millions of $ on hand I... AT BEST, I would hire someone or a team to continue work on the project. AT BEST, again. The most realistic scenario - dude would just disappear and abandon the game. Dude earned a lot of $ but still sitting on his butt 24/7 and working on his project, on his dream. Working on a dream to realize his project as intended.

Tell me honestly - would you be able to force yourself to do something like this, knowing that you have millions on your hands and that all your dreams are already real? But in the best years of your life, you literally lock yourself in your house, instead of enjoying your given wealth, somehow realizing yourself and having any kinds of fun, etc. This is the case when you enter into the strongest internal contradiction and you must have an iron, no, titanium will not to succumb to temptation and not to give up. And it's not just 24/7 work, the inability to enjoy what you've earned, the realization that you'll spend many more years like this, etc. In such a situation, thinking about how to make MORE money by STRETCHING the process for many more years is simply ridiculous and comical. It's like going to jail for 10 years (probation) if somebody promise you a couple million $ on the way out. Not everyone would dare to do this. I would not go for it personally, because freedom with a few money is better than unfreedom with a lot of money. The difference here is that there is no way out of prison, but he is free at any time to stand up, wave his hand and say "fuck it all, I'm out" And the fact that he didn't do this and apparently is not going to - proves that "stretching" this process for the sake of money is the last thing he needs and wants. He is already have more than enough. It's for the sake of a dream. His dream of making something to come true the way he want and planned it, so that no one tells him what is better, needs to rush, etc. You may say that's it a bullshit, but it's the only plausible explanation and motivation that would drive him to behave in such way.
 

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The most interesting part is why we complain about it at all being on a ☠ site?
Because this is one of many places that the games are marketed. It's one of the places that developers visit to get feedback and see what people are saying about their games. It's really that simple. Developers make money by having their games on this site. If this were not the case, it wouldn't happen.

BTW, it's neither here nor there, but I've paid for the half of the game that's been delivered already. Let's see, I paid $70 for Baldur's Gate 3 and I've spent about half of that amount on this game. When it's done, the dev will get that amount. Why? Because I've gotten hours of enjoyment out of what I've played.

Everything about your theories about how much money DPC has, how he spends it, how hard he works, why he continues to work, etc - that's all just speculation. It's why I'm not really focusing on that. If I'm going to invest in a project via something like Patreon, I'd want all the stuff I mentioned in the previous post, for every developer, and it makes perfect sense to want all of that if someone is to invest their money into something.
 

Porthas

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Yeah, that's probably it. Basically, Maya has no way out. She can't accuse her father of fraud, otherwise he'll be arrested and unable to follow Helen. Not to mention that this whole blackmail situation, if it gets to Helen, will be a serious blow to her.
So the obvious options to solve this dialectic are several.
1) Derek drops out of college and goes home to take care of Helen while Patrick gets arrested.
2) Helen dies and Patrick no longer has power over Maya. Sounds cruel, but only if Helen dies will she be free.
I don't see any positive outcome to this whole story either way.
P.S. I wonder what kind of landmine DPС put under Sage.
Hmm, that's not where I was going with this train of thought.

If Patrick lied and Maya and Derek never truly signed any loan documents (which is my theory) then they're not responsible for the loans. They can also get regular college loans like MC is doing and it won't be a double-hit on the credit score and they'll be much more likely to get the guaranteed school loans since they aren't already in debt.

So if this is the case, Patrick loses all leverage.
 
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