VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Ray_D]

Man i go for another thread and came back still talking about loans and asses .
This thread never changes thats why i like it

Of course everyone here on the forum has college degrees and licenses to practice law.

 

[Sun of Rome]

A simple touch, well, it’s not as intimate and close as it was during the whole date with Josy. The atmosphere itself, this vibe that Josy created, is more for people who are a couple and there can be no restrictions between them. With Maya it was a more friendly hang out with a little teasing. And you’re right, what’s in Josy’s mind is exactly what she was thinking about - seducing Tremolo. If he had kissed her at that moment, she would not have backed down. And what happens next could be even worse.

But you're right, that's you and if you like this type of girls, who will stop at nothing, then go ahead. Maybe 10 years ago I would have done the same, but I have already learned from experience not to interfere if the girl already has a relationship.

Both Maya and Josy behaved equally badly.
Josy wore a sexy dress to seduce MC, but throughout the date she talked about how good she was with Maya and shared memories. In addition, it was Josy who asked to do everything for Maya and that is what MC remembered when he was sitting in the car before the last spurt.
Maya on the contrary complained about Josy and practically admitted that she doesn't like her and is much more comfortable with MC. If Josy is still in doubt, Maya has practically already cheated Josy. If not physically, but on a psychological level.

I don't know if he did it intentionally or not, but so far it looks like out of this couple, Maya is the first one ready to cheat, while Josy wants to do the right thing and enter into a relationship with MC only after the official breakup.

 

[ffive]

If you had to hook up tybalt with one of the LIs from being a dik, which would you choose and why?

Isabella, obv.

edit: whoops, sorry, i seem to have mistakenly posted this on legal advice forums.

 

[DarkMage73]

Isabella, obv.

edit: whoops, sorry, i seem to have mistakenly posted this on legal advice forums.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Josy wore a sexy dress to seduce MC, but throughout the date she talked about how good she was with Maya and shared memories. In addition, it was Josy who asked to do everything for Maya and that is what MC remembered when he was sitting in the car before the last spurt.

These flashbacks, where MC remembers what the girls said, can be different. Depends on what route you are on and everyone has scenes except Sage (I don't know why DPC ignored her)

 

[katzenstreu]

Any person now carriers a camera built-in into the phones.

well, call me a caveman. i never had a smartphone and got rid off my old nokia in 2008.
the faces when people ask for my mobile number are priceless.

 

[DavDR]

Well... I explained all this in my previous post, but I'll try to be more clear.



No... As I explained earlier, the guarantor is either subsidiary -- the creditor goes after him AFTER the assets of the principal debtor are finished -- or solidary -- the creditor can go after at his convenience --, but the principal debtor is always the principal, and the creditor can always go after him in any circumstances.

Of course, if I have a debt, and Elon Musk is my solidary guarantor, the bank will probably try to settle my debt with his assets, but, in the case of Derek and Maya who have nothing but what Patrick gives 'em, the bank wouldn't be bothered to go after them. In fact, the bank wouldn't even accept 'em as guarantors because they have no assets. (Well... Maya has nice assets, but those kinds of assets -- even Derek's -- would only be accepted as collateral by loan sharks...)



No. The debt is not transferred to the guarantor. The debt is transferred to the estate. The guarantor keeps his position as guarantor, either as solidary or subsidiary, and never becomes the principal. But, for the sake of argument, even if it were the case, it would make no difference: the assets would be the same -- Patrick's car dealership business (as you claim; I didn't check if it's his only asset).

Then, only what's left to your theory is the bankers, as good Samaritans as they usually are, would allow Derek and Maya to keep the business to pay for the debt with their work... But that would never happen in the real world. It would be like "trading a bird in the hand for two in the bush." (Though, if Derek and Maya are really guarantors, anything can happen in the BaDIK world... However, a crane the size of the Empire State would be necessary to suspend my belief.)

P.S.: I think this answers everything, so I won't bother about the last paragraph, though I don't know if Patrick loves Helen more than anything or if he tolerates her due to a sense of religious duty. That's another topic though, and it's too subjective for me to bother, differently from the credit situation.

P.P.S.: Now, I'm thinking, maybe Patrick really borrowed from loan sharks and left Maya's "assets" (emphasis in the first three letters of the word) as collateral. It will add a more interesting twist to the game and turn its finale into the fight against netorare -- if you lose the most difficult brawler fight ever, loan sharks will sodomize your love interest.

I don't think loan sharks would sodomize Maya, that's damaging their product. But they would sure rent her to be sodomized. But maybe Patrick borrowed from aliens, they would anally probe her

 

[felicemastronzo]

These flashbacks, where MC remembers what the girls said, can be different. Depends on what route you are on and everyone has scenes except Sage (I don't know why DPC ignored her)
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so in fact MC disobeys Jill and Bella's recommendations.

now that I think about it I don't remember if Sage also appears in that moment....

 

[Kpyna]

I'm not sure it's the time to bring the girlfriend to her father, for Jill and Sage there would be no problem, but Bella? how does he introduce her to Neil? Maya and Josy would also create some difficulties, he would have to bring Maya and hide Josy (who lives in the same country anyway so she has no problem being there)

I think thanksgiving at the hometown will involve Zoey and at most Josy (and then Tommy?).

From MC & Josy conversation in Derek's closet in EP9:

js "Did you ever bring a girl back home to meet your dad?"
mc "Not in this sense, no."
js "I wonder what he'd say if you brought Maya and me to see him."
mc "Oh, he'd be confused. 100% confused."
js "See? It's not that easy to do it."
mc "At some point, you'd have to. Family is too important to be kept out of the loop."
js "I'm not sure Maya agrees with that."
mc "You know what I mean..."

That "point" is ready. They discussed it while not being public and even before the commitment. Almost 1 month passed since that conversation. Their "secret" relationship become public. They're not ashamed among campus, but they will hide it from Neil? Nonsense.

Coming back home for Thanksgiving is the best opportunity. Jill wanted herself to meet MC dad, too. Sage won't mind. Bella... well, if MC really treat this relationship right and want it to grow, then he have to. Otherwise, what's the sense? Live in secret, even hiding things from your own dad? Same goes for Throuple. His dad will be absolutely ok and probably even proud of his son. Confused, but ok. There's nothing to be ashamed of in both cases.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

so in fact MC disobeys Jill and Bella's recommendations.

now that I think about it I don't remember if Sage also appears in that moment....

Yeah. Don't sure why. DPC forgot to add her?

 

[felicemastronzo]

From MC & Josy conversation in Derek's closet in EP9:

js "Did you ever bring a girl back home to meet your dad?"
mc "Not in this sense, no."
js "I wonder what he'd say if you brought Maya and me to see him."
mc "Oh, he'd be confused. 100% confused."
js "See? It's not that easy to do it."
mc "At some point, you'd have to. Family is too important to be kept out of the loop."
js "I'm not sure Maya agrees with that."
mc "You know what I mean..."

That "point" is ready. They discussed it while not being public and even before the commitment. Almost 1 month passed since that conversation. Their "secret" relationship become public. They're not ashamed among campus, but they will hide it from Neil? Nonsense.

Coming back home for Thanksgiving is the best opportunity. Jill wanted herself to meet MC dad, too. Sage won't mind. Bella... well, if MC really treat this relationship right and want it to grow, then he have to. Otherwise, what's the sense? Live in secret, even hiding things from your own dad? Same goes for Throuple. His dad will be absolutely ok and probably even proud of his son. Confused, but ok. There's nothing to be ashamed of in both cases.

at some point ... not in the next chapter

anyway it would be a cute scene but at this time not particularly important. i would rather Zoey had a way to evolve into something interesting again

 

[Darkwen]

From MC & Josy conversation in Derek's closet in EP9:

js "Did you ever bring a girl back home to meet your dad?"
mc "Not in this sense, no."
js "I wonder what he'd say if you brought Maya and me to see him."
mc "Oh, he'd be confused. 100% confused."
js "See? It's not that easy to do it."
mc "At some point, you'd have to. Family is too important to be kept out of the loop."
js "I'm not sure Maya agrees with that."
mc "You know what I mean..."

That "point" is ready. They discussed it while not being public and even before the commitment. Almost 1 month passed since that conversation. Their "secret" relationship become public. They're not ashamed among campus, but they will hide it from Neil? Nonsense.

Coming back home for Thanksgiving is the best opportunity. Jill wanted herself to meet MC dad, too. Sage won't mind. Bella... well, if MC really treat this relationship right and want it to grow, then he have to. Otherwise, what's the sense? Live in secret, even hiding things from your own dad? Same goes for Throuple. His dad will be absolutely ok and probably even proud of his son. Confused, but ok. There's nothing to be ashamed of in both cases.

Actually just a few hours passed because it was made public the following morning

 

[dalli_x]

This is the same as a solidary guarantor -- the creditor may choose upon whom he will claim the debt (and the guarantor, later, can sue the principal to have his money). I mean, the same effect, as I explained because it excludes the defense of advance action. But, as I explained: 1) it makes sense when my guarantor is someone with real money (I gave the example of Elon Musk as a joke, but anyone with more accessible assets than the debt suffices); 2) the fact that the defense of advance action is excluded doesn't mean the creditor can't go against the principal -- it's an option at the creditor's will (all this was written in the last post; sorry if I wasn't clear enough).



Yeah... I know that... I've written all that... I don't know why you're repeating this to me... It's like you're ignoring my arguments by repeating the obvious. Like...



.... If repeating the obvious would lead us to conclude the unobvious, because Maya and Derek are not the safest route; they wouldn't even be accepted as guarantors*. So the bank didn't secure himself shit... In fact, having Maya and Derek as guarantors is like having no guarantors at all... Thus, seizing the assets is the most secure and obvious solution for the bank because anything is greater than zero (it's either zero or redundant because Maya and Derek's future assets are Patrick's present assets, which, in fact, are the same as zero because it adds nothing, but I wanted to point this fact, i.e., Maya + Derek + Patrick's assets = Patrick's assets -> Maya + Derek's assets = Patrick's assets - Patrick's assets -> Maya + Derek's assets = 0).

But I've already explained all that and it's like I'm talking to the wind. Nothing personal. I like you; I like your posts most of the time, even if it's just for entertainment's sake (I even have a fan signature). But now it seems you're just being stubborn for the sake of it.



* In fact, in the case of a student loan, the opposite would be the obvious, Maya and Derek each as the principal of their loans, and Patrick, who has assets, be the guarantor.

It is a “can”, not “must” determination.

The bank has secured itself by having Maya and Derek as guarantors because they are the heirs. If Patrick dies, the bank would definitely receive its claims from the estate, which is not desirable for a bank. She has this security. But because Maya and Derek are the heirs and also the guarantors, the bank has double security. She can either get her claims from the estate, but this involves costs and work for the bank. But if the bank takes recourse against the guarantors, the bank has no costs and no work because the heirs and guarantors Maya and Derek take care of it. Either way, the bank will get your claims back, the only difference being that it is cheaper with heirs and guarantors. Double protection from the bank.

No, I'm not stubborn. I just look at it from the eyes of a bank and the simple fact of profit optimization. What would please a shareholder more: perhaps not being able to settle the entire claim by selling the seizable value or letting others work to settle the entire claim in full?

 

[dalli_x]

From MC & Josy conversation in Derek's closet in EP9:

js "Did you ever bring a girl back home to meet your dad?"
mc "Not in this sense, no."
js "I wonder what he'd say if you brought Maya and me to see him."
mc "Oh, he'd be confused. 100% confused."
js "See? It's not that easy to do it."
mc "At some point, you'd have to. Family is too important to be kept out of the loop."
js "I'm not sure Maya agrees with that."
mc "You know what I mean..."

That "point" is ready. They discussed it while not being public and even before the commitment. Almost 1 month passed since that conversation. Their "secret" relationship become public. They're not ashamed among campus, but they will hide it from Neil? Nonsense.

Coming back home for Thanksgiving is the best opportunity. Jill wanted herself to meet MC dad, too. Sage won't mind. Bella... well, if MC really treat this relationship right and want it to grow, then he have to. Otherwise, what's the sense? Live in secret, even hiding things from your own dad? Same goes for Throuple. His dad will be absolutely ok and probably even proud of his son. Confused, but ok. There's nothing to be ashamed of in both cases.

Neil will be so confused that he will talk about condoms.

 

[Kpyna]

Actually just a few hours passed because it was made public the following morning

I meant Thanksgiving at the EP10 end and their conversation at Halloween.

 

[Darkwen]

I meant Thanksgiving at the EP10 end and their conversation at Halloween.

ok I understand now, Hopefully Josy and Maya will go home with MC I want to see how that scene plays out

 

[Ray_D]

I know a li'l about law because I cook meth to pay for my cancer treatment. You know... Gotta learn how to avoid it.

In that case better call saul.

 

[NewTricks]

It is interesting to talk about the Maya and Josy relationship dynamic when you are not on their route, but it isn't really productive to say who is better or worse when it comes to the MC. I will say that Josy's feelings for the MC are deeper than Maya's... or perhaps she is merely more sensitive and in touch with her feelings. It is interesting that if you break their hearts on Halloween not only is Maya instantly forgiving but perhaps a little too cool with it. She still gives him the opportunity to feel up her stockings (a cheat option if on a relationship path) and does that weird ASMR shit with him. Josy, meanwhile, seems to cultivate a seething enmity in the same period of time. I honestly hate that route because of how hurt she is. If you break her heart earlier in the ruined library. You get two scenes of her crying, one after she meets her father and the other after they have the near-miss encounter with Patrick.

I'm actually trying to go somewhere with this. The way that Josy and Maya respond to treatment by MC has a great deal to do with their relationships with their fathers. Maya is accustomed to trying to appease her father because of the abusive relationship dynamic. This is why she bends over backward to accommodate MC even when he hurts her. This pleases us as a player, but it is clearly unhealthy. Josy, meanwhile, has even more complex feelings about her father. She loves him, but he is kind of a dirtbag in his own special way. She makes excuses for him even though he lied, cheated, and hurt her mom. She has difficulty resolving these two conflicting feelings and low-key blames her mom for not keeping her dad happy. So how does she react when MC discards her? Rage turned inward. She turns on herself just like she turned on her mom, and Jesus Christ is that a sad thing to see. Yet she is also angry at MC for making her feel that way, even if she knows that he meant no harm and that she and Maya made this relationship difficult for him every step of the way.

The point I am making is that Josy and Maya are daddy issues squared. This doesn't mean that they aren't my favorite romance path. It just means that we understand them a little better if we don't romance them.

 

[Darkwen]

It is interesting to talk about the Maya and Josy relationship dynamic when you are not on their route, but it isn't really productive to say who is better or worse when it comes to the MC. I will say that Josy's feelings for the MC are deeper than Maya's... or perhaps she is merely more sensitive and in touch with her feelings. It is interesting that if you break their hearts on Halloween not only is Maya instantly forgiving but perhaps a little too cool with it. She still gives him the opportunity to feel up her stockings (a cheat option if on a relationship path) and does that weird ASMR shit with him. Josy, meanwhile, seems to cultivate a seething enmity in the same period of time. I honestly hate that route because of how hurt she is. If you break her heart earlier in the ruined library. You get two scenes of her crying, one after she meets her father and the other after they have the near-miss encounter with Patrick.

I'm actually trying to go somewhere with this. The way that Josy and Maya respond to treatment by MC has a great deal to do with their relationships with their fathers. Maya is accustomed to trying to appease her father because of the abusive relationship dynamic. This is why she bends over backward to accommodate MC even when he hurts her. This pleases us as a player, but it is clearly unhealthy. Josy, meanwhile, has even more complex feelings about her father. She loves him, but he is kind of a dirtbag in his own special way. She makes excuses for him even though he lied, cheated, and hurt her mom. She has difficulty resolving these two conflicting feelings and low-key blames her mom for not keeping her dad happy. So how does she react when MC discards her? Rage turned inward. She turns on herself just like she turned on her mom, and Jesus Christ is that a sad thing to see. Yet she is also angry at MC for making her feel that way, even if she knows that he meant no harm and that she and Maya made this relationship difficult for him every step of the way.

The point I am making is that Josy and Maya are daddy issues squared. This doesn't mean that they aren't my favorite romance path. It just means that we understand them a little better if we don't romance them.

I think we see a lot of that play out in the throuple as well, Maya feared falling behind Josy and MC sexually instead of "your not the daughter I wanted" it "your not the girlfriend I wanted" fear. Josy on the other hand fears ending up alone and that her body would not be enough to please MC this goes back to "I'm not sure dad would chose me over Monica but I would chose him" and also to her insecurities.

 

[znar25]