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- Jul 17, 2021
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Hmm and what if it was Derek? Would you approve of him whippin you then?I guess not
But I'm sure he wouldn't mind Quinn.
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That last part is what makes what he does so particularly shitty, he's trying to exert a control he should not have anymore. Maya is an adult not a toddler or child. Part of parenting is losing control if it wasn't you'd be 22 years old doing what your mum tells you. Once your kid gets to 18 their life is their's to decide and you may not like or agree with the choices they make but they are the ones that get to make them. By the time she'd graduate she'd be in her 20s that is WAY beyond when a parent should be getting a controlling say in someone's life. Patrick's behavior in this is ridiculous.
What Patrick is doing has nothing to do with parenting. He's threatening an adults access to higher education to exert control of her life. On top he also loses his temper and hurts her not because she did anything at all but he's simply angry and lashes out.
It should not need to be said that blackmailing someone with their future as the leverage is simply cruel. When the character used their own child's trust in them to get that leverage the character is a proper cunt sob story or no. Every fucker has a sob story of some sort.
I'm kinda surprised Patrick = cunt is even a discussion tbh.
- Jan 6, 2021
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In that case, I would have asked him to do it.
- Jul 17, 2021
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Depends on context. This isn't the same as spanking a kid. Maya is an adult, she doesn't live under his roof anymore, and Patrick is no longer responsible for her behavior. He shouldn't be putting his hands on her at all.
- Apr 17, 2021
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You are all too quick to judge Patrick. Maybe he was defending himself? Maya was distracting him by her sinful ways and Quinn was about to taser him right before MC showed up.
- Apr 11, 2018
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Oh, come on, with Sean's latest antics it's clear that he's full of double standards - can give, but can't take.Jesus Christ man lately the forum looks like a UFC octagon with so many fights. I'm still waiting to see if the equivalent of Sean Strickland shows up on this forum.
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- Jul 7, 2017
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From the way you describe it, Patrick would be a sociopath, if not a psychopath. That's not even that far-fetched. Outwardly and in the presence of uninvolved people, Patrick behaves like the perfect father and husband. But when no uninvolved person is present, he shows his true colors.
Ergo, Patrick knows very well that he is doing something wrong and therefore his actions are premeditated. Such people can be very dangerous.
Of course there are two sides to the story. We understand how Patrick became this way and we also feel sorry for what happened to Helen. But that still doesn't justify how Patrick treats his children. That's what's immoral.
Don't start religiosity because I don't like religion. These are all just hypocritical writings written by old men in the past to maintain their power. True faith does not need religion and the God I believe in will not punish a person just because he is in love. It doesn't matter whether it is a homosexual or heterosexual love. Love is love.
- Jul 17, 2021
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Bro, you can't forget that Derek defends his father's actions. ALL of us saw the look Derek gave when we asked him about knowin the shit goin on. I know all Derek's fans are probably going to come down on me with facepalms and shit, but it's true. I didn't like Derek before and now, I actually hate him.
- Jul 7, 2017
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Of course, Derek defends his father. Maya also immediately said to the MC so that her father didn't hit her. But it happens again and again IRL to make victims excuse the actions of perpetrators. Especially when it comes to family members. Why is that? Because there is a psychological dependency. Maya, Derek and Helen have an existential dependency on this. That's the only reason Patrick has control.
Such people need someone outside to help them. At BaDIK it is the MC for Maya and Derek. You yourself wrote and it is also written so that Derek can defend his father. But the MC becomes more of a father to Derek than Patrick is the moment he hugs him.
- Feb 27, 2018
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I don't think it's this simple, Derek doesn't defend his actions he knows it's wrong and even tells you:
You have to remember Derek is also a victim here, anywhere near the realm of how much Maya suffers but still a victim none the less. You see this kind of thought mentality with a lot of abuse victims that there has to be a "Good reason" their abusers do the things that they do. In Derek's case it's not that his Dad is a bad person(even though he is) it's just "he's like that because of stress" when you view people through rose tinted goggles all red flags just look like flags.
- Jul 17, 2021
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Yeah. The only help I gave was knockin Patrick on his ass. I can give more of that type of help if needed. They say that when you're sick, you need to take your medicine every 4 - 6 hours. I got plenty of medicine for him.
- Feb 26, 2021
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I feel bad for Maya's dad with regards to his wife. However, he was deceptive with regards to the college money and he's excessively grabby with his kiddo's - keep your hands to yourself dude. If he had conditions for the college money, he should have been up-front about it, that way Maya could make her own decisions and perhaps get herself in ridiculous debt with college loans.
So far, from what we know of the story, Patrick is guilty of deceiving his kids and thus entrapping them financially and he's guilty of hurting Maya's arm by grabbing her during arguments. While I feel bad for the stress he's under taking care of his sick wife, this does not excuse this behavior.
He is hereby ordered to rescind the previous (and probably illegal) loan agreement with his children, and is ordered to co-sign legal loan agreements for the rest of their college needs.
So far, from what we know of the story, Patrick is guilty of deceiving his kids and thus entrapping them financially and he's guilty of hurting Maya's arm by grabbing her during arguments. While I feel bad for the stress he's under taking care of his sick wife, this does not excuse this behavior.
He is hereby ordered to rescind the previous (and probably illegal) loan agreement with his children, and is ordered to co-sign legal loan agreements for the rest of their college needs.
- Jun 15, 2022
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And all I needed was to sleep 4 hours to miss the most interesting part.
I’ll say right away - Night Hacker is not a troll, this is the last thing he would do, since I know him. It’s just that his opinion is in the minority, and here too, I can't agree with the majority of what is written. I understand that Patrick is a broken man - the love of his life is slowly dying before his eyes and this has greatly affected his mental state.
But this is not a reason or justification for making your daughter’s life hell, threatening to ruin her life by depriving her of an education...for such selfish reasons as “I want Helen to see her grandchildren.” Your children are not your property, Patrick, they are independent individuals, especially since they are almost adults, and you don't have any moral rights for superiority over them, keeping your finances under control. This is blackmail and abuse.
No matter how hard it was for him, he had a choice in this situation. Be a worthy father, a support and moral guide for your children, set a good example of what kind of person you should be in a difficult situation. But Patrick betrayed Maya and put a knife in her back. Moreover, he is not a very smart person. Now about his homophobic views from the Middle Ages. "Okay, I'll blackmail my daughter into dropping out of college, force her to break off her relationship with Josy and she will stop being a lesbian and become straight." - Patrick, are you serious? Well, you are:
Yes, in many ways his views have changed on this situation, and it is not surprising that he does just that. I know deeply religious people, they usually try to impose their reality on other people and can be a nightmare for their family members. Another argument for good measure that Patrick is an unworthy person.
Whatever it may be, Patrick’s children see that dad is a bad example. Derek is in college for his sister, not living for himself. Maya, no matter how hard Patrick tries, turns out to be his complete opposite. In one of the routes, when you break up with M/J, she says that "I can't control another person's feelings. That would be terrible and that's not the path I'll take."
Patrick did everything wrong in raising his children. When your children are 5 years old, you can completely control them because they are not capable. But when they're almost 20, you have to accept their choices and respect them. If you don’t agree with something, you can discuss it with them and consult. But if you think that adult children can be placed under total control using financial leverage, this is very wrong.
I’ll say right away - Night Hacker is not a troll, this is the last thing he would do, since I know him. It’s just that his opinion is in the minority, and here too, I can't agree with the majority of what is written. I understand that Patrick is a broken man - the love of his life is slowly dying before his eyes and this has greatly affected his mental state.
But this is not a reason or justification for making your daughter’s life hell, threatening to ruin her life by depriving her of an education...for such selfish reasons as “I want Helen to see her grandchildren.” Your children are not your property, Patrick, they are independent individuals, especially since they are almost adults, and you don't have any moral rights for superiority over them, keeping your finances under control. This is blackmail and abuse.
No matter how hard it was for him, he had a choice in this situation. Be a worthy father, a support and moral guide for your children, set a good example of what kind of person you should be in a difficult situation. But Patrick betrayed Maya and put a knife in her back. Moreover, he is not a very smart person. Now about his homophobic views from the Middle Ages. "Okay, I'll blackmail my daughter into dropping out of college, force her to break off her relationship with Josy and she will stop being a lesbian and become straight." - Patrick, are you serious? Well, you are:
Yes, in many ways his views have changed on this situation, and it is not surprising that he does just that. I know deeply religious people, they usually try to impose their reality on other people and can be a nightmare for their family members. Another argument for good measure that Patrick is an unworthy person.
Whatever it may be, Patrick’s children see that dad is a bad example. Derek is in college for his sister, not living for himself. Maya, no matter how hard Patrick tries, turns out to be his complete opposite. In one of the routes, when you break up with M/J, she says that "I can't control another person's feelings. That would be terrible and that's not the path I'll take."
Patrick did everything wrong in raising his children. When your children are 5 years old, you can completely control them because they are not capable. But when they're almost 20, you have to accept their choices and respect them. If you don’t agree with something, you can discuss it with them and consult. But if you think that adult children can be placed under total control using financial leverage, this is very wrong.
- Sep 1, 2023
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Damn, this evening discussion topic turned out to be more interesting than documentaries...
- Jul 3, 2021
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Don't worry, you'll be happy to know that my late wife and I could not gave children. If you're lucky, I'll die a horrible death alone because I disagreed with you on a game.
Anyhow, there's good reason why I avoid these discussions. I'll stick to fan art (by the way, I just posted my scene subset of Patrick, my hero, in the fan art thread
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- Nov 10, 2020
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I don't think the problem is that Patrick is "religious" the problem is he is a very bad Christian if he even is one he should be showing his daughter love even if you disagree with her choices. Patrick told MC you can't judge me that is one of the stupidest things someone can say, you can and should judge someone actions and by Patrick actions he's awful person
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- Jun 15, 2022
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Well, this is like an addition to the problem, his views. The icing on the cake. Patrick thinks that he has the moral superiority, to do anything and treat his daugher like shit, because he considers himself a victim. And God will forgive everything. “You can’t judge me,” yes, that’s exactly the moment. Hypocritical bastard.
- Oct 16, 2020
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I agree But he Just toke what he want from the Religion Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others but he didn't take it all he just toke the first Do not Judge
and the rest left it simple so he Judges his Daughter action even if she's wrong The Verse Clear Who are you to Judge but if we come to personality he wasn't like this he Loved his Wife because she was that Type of women who say Thank you, Lord, For I can Walk And see and hear and Have roof over my head but she Change and he Try to take this Candle To light it With Hope But his way is Off Mark Simple Like man wanted to light the Candle instead he light the house