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Any last update of the game, I can't find the update.:cry:
Can somebody please quote for me.

Thank you.
You do realize that your post here marked as #74,266? Next update is coming ~3 months later so even if some nicest person would want to quote you by that time, the post will be gazillion pages behind.

If you cba to check https://f95zone.to/latest/ from time to time just watch this thread, ignore posts and when you'll see like 4-5+ rates in a row - update is probably here.
 

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No, that's not what I meant by needy. I meant it as longing human contact, not simply lust.

I wouldn't say "they did something" yet, I'd rather say "something happened between them". It might be sexual, but we don't know yet.
Could be something as simple as Jill sleep grinding again. However the fact that it bothers Bella so much leads me to believe that it was a little more than that.
 

Wizard_Shiryuu

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Even if it was just kissing, that's still somewhat sexual, especially if it was an tender, intimate make-out session that made them both feel a bit horny but they didn't act on that horniness.
Yeah, I included that as sexual. But why are we asuming that it was something like that? That could be what the scene wants us to think of. Jill is upset, but she might be for other reasons.
 
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ename144

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Just going off what we see in game. Like when Bella takes the MC home when their supposed to have their dinner date. She starts to masturbate and specifically says that "no MAN has touched her like that in years". Add in the scene in the bedroom in Ep5 with Jill and it does kind of hint that something happened between them.
It's certainly a solid argument, though I remain hopeful it will turn out not to be the case. It feels like it's too similar to the Maya/Josy twist.

But since we have months to go before we can learn more, let's parse Bella's wording:
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Bella does not put a gender limitation on the urge to touch herself, implying that has also been three years. And her response here is very different than when Jill tries to assure her 'it' won't happen again. In the MC's case, Bella decided to pleasure herself. In Jill's case, Bella knocked her wedding picture to the floor.

Granted, I may just be grasping at straws. But I think whatever the incident was, it was about more than making Bella inappropriately horny.
 

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It's certainly a solid argument, though I remain hopeful it will turn out not to be the case. It feels like it's too similar to the Maya/Josy twist.

But since we have months to go before we can learn more, let's parse Bella's wording:
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Bella does not put a gender limitation on the urge to touch herself, implying that has also been three years. And her response here is very different than when Jill tries to assure her 'it' won't happen again. In the MC's case, Bella decided to pleasure herself. In Jill's case, Bella knocked her wedding picture to the floor.

Granted, I may just be grasping at straws. But I think whatever the incident was, it was about more than making Bella inappropriately horny.
I see your point but also don't see it. Maya/Josy were a committed female relationship (supposed to be anyway). Bella/Jill (if it even happened and to what degree) would be a one time thing. A one time thing even alcohol induced which is what the most popular theory is would not have the same degree of investment by either participant.

As far as the time limit goes. Bella says that "No that can't be right" to the 3 year thing so not sure how long its been.

Edit - Not being a girl I have no clue how often girls masturbate on average but google says at least once a week so for Bella to be at 3 years makes her a Saint
 

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Yeah, I included that as sexual. But why are we asuming that it was something like that? That could be what the scene wants us to think of. Jill is upset, but she might be for other reasons.
Given the context surrounding that scene, I'd be shocked if it's anything else.

I know some people say it could just be the "sleep humping" thing with the MC, but then why did Jill feel the need to assure Bella something wouldn't happen when this is completely involuntary on Jill's part? She can't control if it does or doesn't happen again in her sleep. Maybe her saying that was meant to be more of a hopeful reassurance, but Bella acknowledging that they previously discussed whatever it is that happened makes it seem much more like it was something that consciously happened between them.

The part that sticks in my mind about that whole thing is that we got those shots of the 2 of them somewhat gazing into each other's eyes before Bella broke the eye contact causing Jill to ask if everything was OK and then Bella got very defensive. What was it about looking at each other while in bed that made Bella react that way? Seems like she was trying to stop something from happening by breaking the stare between them, as though something was building up that she stopped by looking away.
 
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You do realize that your post here marked as #74,266? Next update is coming ~3 months later so even if some nicest person would want to quote you by that time, the post will be gazillion pages behind.

If you cba to check https://f95zone.to/latest/ from time to time just watch this thread, ignore posts and when you'll see like 4-5+ rates in a row - update is probably here.
Sorry I use the wrong word, so you must have misunderstood. What I actually mean is lastest news of the game. I didn't mean the update (episode 6)
I thought he updates every Friday. That was I mean.

Sorry for using the wrong word.
 
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Sorry I use the wrong word, so you must have misunderstood. What I actually mean is lastest news of the game. I didn't mean the update (episode 6)
I thought he updates every Friday. That was I mean.

Sorry for using the wrong word.
If you search for the word "update" in this thread, you'll find it.
 

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I see your point but also don't see it. Maya/Josy were a committed female relationship (supposed to be anyway). Bella/Jill (if it even happened and to what degree) would be a one time thing. A one time thing even alcohol induced which is what the most popular theory is would not have the same degree of investment by either participant.

As far as the time limit goes. Bella says that "No that can't be right" to the 3 year thing so not sure how long its been.

Edit - Not being a girl I have no clue how often girls masturbate on average but google says at least once a week so for Bella to be at 3 years makes her a Saint
It may or may not have been three years (I think she's just surprised to realize it's been that long), but it's clearly been a long time. My guess is it makes her less a saint and more someone who has serious hangups thinking about herself sexually. That certainly fits with the rest of her actions in the game.

As for repeating Maya and Josy, I agree the circumstances would almost certainly be different, but it would be another surprise lesbian connection between two LIs. Given this is DPC, it would also assuredly be traumatic and emotional, too. So the impact on us players will be extremely similar, even if characters will phrase things a little differently.

And it just seems like a mistake.
 
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hi guys, while trying to update on mac, i got this error:

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I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

"While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 274, in script
python:
ScriptError: could not find label 'start'."


Any one got the same issue? Have already tried downloading a separate update patch but no difference, and downloaded the game version from here. Any help with this would be much appreciated, thanks!

I have searched the forum for a response on this issue. I haven't come across it yet. Can anyone assist? I have tried following the instructions on the patch and no luck. I am a Mac user, don't judge.
 

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I see your point but also don't see it. Maya/Josy were a committed female relationship (supposed to be anyway). Bella/Jill (if it even happened and to what degree) would be a one time thing. A one time thing even alcohol induced which is what the most popular theory is would not have the same degree of investment by either participant.

As far as the time limit goes. Bella says that "No that can't be right" to the 3 year thing so not sure how long its been.
That's the same argument I made a while ago. Another lesbian relationship would be too repetitive. (To anyone potentially quoting me don't nitpick on the word relationship too much, I don't mean it as a relationship-relationship). That's why I think it's probably not that, and DPC is trying to makes us believe something else out of that scene. I can't review it right now so I don't know it that would fit what we know or not, but there could be other things Jill is upset about. Jill is dating the MC in every route, could she be mad because she knows Bella kissed him? Maybe because Bella is technically cheating on her husband and she knows it? Saying that it's because there's something sexual between them seems the easy way out.
Sorry I use the wrong word, so you must have misunderstood. What I actually mean is lastest news of the game. I didn't mean the update (episode 6)
I thought he updates every Friday. That was I mean.

Sorry for using the wrong word.
I think you're quoting the wrong guy, buddy :ROFLMAO: .
 

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It may or may not have been three years (I think she's just surprised to realize it's been that long), but it's clearly been a long time. My guess is it makes her less a saint and more someone who has serious hangups thinking about herself sexually. That certainly fits with the rest of her actions in the game.

As for repeating Maya and Josy, I agree the circumstances would almost certainly be different, but it would be another surprise lesbian connection between two LIs. Given this is DPC, it would also assuredly be traumatic and emotional, too. So the impact on us players will be extremely similar, even if characters will phrase things a little differently.

And it just seems like a mistake.
Ok that I get. It sure seems to point at something happening between them but I will also admit it doesn't match who I think they are. Bella is extremely loyal to her husband. She also is a pseudo sister/parent to Jill. Jill is more innocent and while she isn't naive to the world she is definitely not worldly as far as sex goes.
That's the same argument I made a while ago. Another lesbian relationship would be too repetitive. (To anyone potentially quoting me don't nitpick on the word relationship too much, I don't mean it as a relationship-relationship). That's why I think it's probably not that, and DPC is trying to makes us believe something else out of that scene. I can't review it right now so I don't know it that would fit what we know or not, but there could be other things Jill is upset about. Jill is dating the MC in every route, could she be mad because she knows Bella kissed him? Maybe because Bella is technically cheating on her husband and she knows it? Saying that it's because there's something sexual between them seems the easy way out.

I think you're quoting the wrong guy, buddy :ROFLMAO: .
I could definitely see Jill having issues with Bella/MC. You really can see it if you stayed at Bella's during Ep4 and play your guitar for them in Ep5. Jill says that is Bella's favorite song and if you answer Yeah I know Jill looks right at you with this look on her face that makes you think UHOH.
 

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downloaded this game this morning ... seen it alot and tho i''d wait long enough for some good story line and what not ... but dam 8 gig ... shit ... all i gotta say is i'm not disappointed .. hate mini games .. but thanks for letting me be able to skip that ... awesome game (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
 

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Ok that I get. It sure seems to point at something happening between them but I will also admit it doesn't match who I think they are. Bella is extremely loyal to her husband. She also is a pseudo sister/parent to Jill. Jill is more innocent and while she isn't naive to the world she is definitely not worldly as far as sex goes.
I wouldn't say she is extremely... loyal... definitely she as a standard, a goal image that she wishes to live up to... but there is something there that is outside of her control, I'm starting to believe that she is trying to escape her past... as in an adventurous person or at least with urges, and she saw in James the older correcter guy to follow it??
There is definitely a big conflict there, she wishes to be something that she is accomplishing superficially but is making her unbalanced at the core.
 

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That's the same argument I made a while ago. Another lesbian relationship would be too repetitive. (To anyone potentially quoting me don't nitpick on the word relationship too much, I don't mean it as a relationship-relationship). That's why I think it's probably not that, and DPC is trying to makes us believe something else out of that scene.
Again, it's really hard to believe it's anything other than that right now, not just because of how that scene went, but also when you remember that Bella referenced "being intimate with a friend" in ep 3 and Jill is the only friend we know Bella to have. Plus she said that she had "stopped it" suggesting that she is still friends with this person.

It might seem "repetitive" to have another 2 LIs involved in some lesbian intimacy, but I wonder if having 2 such "relationships" like this in the game isn't just DPC having a little bit of fun with the fans. A lot of people were upset about what happened in AL, not just because it killed off an LI, but it also ended a possible throuple relationship if you chose both Megan and Melissa. Perhaps DPC is now giving people not 1, but 2 options for a throuple in this game as a genuine way of compensating for what happened, or they're just appearing to compensate for what happened and one or both will be ultimately doomed to fail and DPC will just sit back and chuckle at all the people who will complain again that the throuples didn't work out.

I can't review it right now so I don't know it that would fit what we know or not, but there could be other things Jill is upset about. Jill is dating the MC in every route, could she be mad because she knows Bella kissed him? Maybe because Bella is technically cheating on her husband and she knows it? Saying that it's because there's something sexual between them seems the easy way out.
Except that Jill wasn't mad about anything. She was the one trying to assure an uncomfortable Bella that everything was OK and that whatever happened before wouldn't happen again.

Here's what we do know:
  • Bella has admitted to "being intimate with a friend" before
  • Jill is Bella's only known friend
  • Bella reacts strangely when in bed with Jill
  • Both Bella and Jill acknowledged that something happened between them that they agreed not let happen again
What exactly happened is up for interpretation, but there does seem to be a bit of tension in the air between them because they're in bed together, and if it's not the result of some kind of past intimacy then this will be the biggest red herring ever because there honestly doesn't seem to be any other reasonable explanation for it.
 

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Ignoring the cringy and unfunny shitposts/theories regarding Bella's secrets I'll be relatively fine with whatever happens so long as her husband stays out of the story. Having him suddenly return or something similar to that would completely ruin my interest and curiousity in her route.

We're already dealing with the partners of the girls who are already in relationships which are many btw, DPC doesn't strike me as a writer who lacks originality so I have faith that his plans for MC/Bella doesn't involve her husband physically present in the games story.
 
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Okay, so, after replaying the game AGAIN, I've found a couple pieces of info that I think are relevant to this whole Jill and Bella talk. Please note that I may not be remembering things 100% accurately, but I intend to play it again tonight and grab screenshots.

The first thing I want to note is that the picture we see of Bella's husband looks awfully similar to a seemingly random person in episode 5. He's part of the conversation about the company retreat. The guy on the right, I believe, during the prep party. IF that's him, we see him in person before we see the actual picture in Bella's room, so it would make sense for the MC to not recognize him. After all, the MC doesn't even interact with him beyond a bit of eavesdropping. If this is really the case, that guy doesn't seem to have a care in the world, and probably couldn't care less about Bella at this point.

As for Bella and Jill's nightly escapade, Jill herself mentions that her and Bella did SOMETHING that involved at least kissing, but only in her head. I'm pretty sure that it was after the scene where you either kiss her after the shower, or one of the other scenes where you kiss her. I also have reason to suspect that it was Jill who initiated it, too, but I honestly can't remember what lead me to that conclusion. It probably started with one of her goodnight kisses.

I would also like to point out the conversation with Jade and her husband, about his cheating, and his clear obsession with Bella. Those two at least attempted to initiate a fling with Isabella, and we don't have a real frame of reference for when that happened other than Jade pointing out that Bella was wearing a wedding ring.

Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and start up another run, and grab as much evidence as I can muster.
 

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There's A LOT to unpack there. You also let A LOT of your personal interpretation slip as facts.
Again, it's really hard to believe it's anything other than that right now, not just because of how that scene went, but also when you remember that Bella referenced "being intimate with a friend" in ep 3 and Jill is the only friend we know Bella to have.
There's also the MC, and if memory serves they already kissed in her home after the drunk party out and she "stopped it" at that point.
Plus she said that she had "stopped it" suggesting that she is still friends with this person.
It doesn't suggest such a thing. Stopped means stopped. She might have cut contact with that person altogether, be only friends or just promise herself she would stop. That line doesn't give any info, specially not what you suggest it does.
It might seem "repetitive" to have another 2 LIs involved in some lesbian intimacy, but I wonder if having 2 such "relationships" like this in the game isn't just DPC having a little bit of fun with the fans. A lot of people were upset about what happened in AL, not just because it killed off an LI, but it also ended a possible throuple relationship if you chose both Megan and Melissa. Perhaps DPC is now giving people not 1, but 2 options for a throuple in this game as a genuine way of compensating for what happened, or they're just appearing to compensate for what happened and one or both will be ultimately doomed to fail and DPC will just sit back and chuckle at all the people who will complain again that the throuples didn't work out.
Or maybe it's a red herring. We don't know, we can only speculate about what DPC wants to do.
Except that Jill wasn't mad about anything. She was the one trying to assure an uncomfortable Bella that everything was OK and that whatever happened before wouldn't happen again.
I mean, she left the room to sleep on the couch because she didn't want to have that conversation. That's being mad.
  • Bella has admitted to "being intimate with a friend" before
  • Jill is Bella's only known friend //Known being a key word. Maybe it's the MC, maybe it's Jill, maybe it's someone else. We will know in due time. If it's a red herring it can be anything
  • Bella reacts strangely when in bed with Jill //You give too much value to "in bed". They were alone, that's why they started talking about the elephant in the room, whatever that is.
  • Both Bella and Jill acknowledged that something happened between them that they agreed not let happen again // Argue maybe?
What exactly happened is up for interpretation, but there does seem to be a bit of tension in the air between them because they're in bed together, and if it's not the result of some kind of past intimacy then this will be the biggest red herring ever because there honestly doesn't seem to be any other reasonable explanation for it.
-Jill starts dating the MC
-Jill discovers Bella kissed him
-Jill feels betrayed and they argue

That's a much much simpler explanation than they kissing with very few assuptions (only the last line, really, the rest is already known information). It only takes one conversation than the both of them are bound to have sooner or later. It might have happened already and this is the aftermath of it.

...God, I feel like I just finished a case of Phoenix Wright... :ROFLMAO:

Ignoring the cringy and unfunny shitposts/theories regarding Bella's secrets I'll be relatively fine with whatever happens so long as her husband stays out of the story. Having him suddenly return or something similar to that would completely ruin my interest and curiousity in her route.

We're already dealing with the partners of the girls who are already in relationships which are many btw, DPC doesn't strike me as a writer who lacks originality so I have faith that his plans for MC/Bella doesn't involve her husband physically present in the games story.
That's what happens to me with the Jill/Bella route, too forced. That would make me lose interest in both too. (And I can expect a huge uproar by Jill's fans in Discord :ROFLMAO: ).
 

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OMG what in the pineapple happened here lol. One tiny question about scenes and it turned into a discussion about the universe. I just left you guys here a few hours ago lol.

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Edit - Not being a girl I have no clue how often girls masturbate on average but google says at least once a week so for Bella to be at 3 years makes her a Saint
And some do it as often as men I assume, especially if it's supposedly been "around" 3 years? But then again, doing anything for 28 days can be habit-forming. Maybe she hasn't been touched at all, by man or woman, though if dpa was properly writing, he may have purposely written that "by a man" instead of using a generic "by anyone".

I also don't think there is anything happening between Jill and Bella, from what I gathered, Jill looks up to Bella, and Bella treats Jill like a daughter. Not sure what DPA is thinking, sorry, DPC. Lots of "what if's" and "possibilities" floating around.
 
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