VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

I don't get why you are so obsessed with the assets and architecture. The main problem with a non-US setting is that nobody would understand it. From movies and sitcoms and everything else, we all at least have an idea of how us colleges work. But if a game was set in, lets say France, I wouldn't understand a thing. How old are people in what phases of their study? What are typical activities? How are courses organized? In books, good translators have to do a lot of work to adapt these things so the readers in different cultures can understand it. Except if its US centric, because everyone knows that already. And that is the point.

Besides, this is clearly inspired by other works, such as the American Pie series, which obviously influences how it is set up. And these fraternity stories wouldn't fit anywhere else at all, that's just a mainly US thing, as far as I know.

personally I am so addicted to the US model through movies and TV series, that any different setting confuses me

 

[Zirael Q]

okay I'm excited for today's update. Fingers crossed

 

[Meushi]

so what is the version that i need to only dowload 0.6??

v0.5.0 or v0.5.1, ideally not unpacked and not modded.

The v0.5.2 full here isn't an official release and is unpacked, so may have problems patching it to v0.6.

Well, I have all the renders from a previous play through, but I'm playing again. All the renders are still saved from the previous play so when in free roam or the mini games you can't get them, you already have them. I want to be able to get them again, playing from scratch, so to speak.

To clear all your previous progress you'd need to delete the persistent file, which is where those unlocked renders are stored.

Ren'Py keep copies of your save files in two places, you need to delete the persistent file from both (I'd create a backup first):
<Wherever you installed BaDIK>\game\saves\
C:\Users\<Your username>\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\BeingaDIK-1535311494 or win+r %appdata%\RenPy\BeingaDIK-1535311494

 

[TripleV]

DPC has the (sometimes) rare ability to create characters that are believable and that people fall in love with.

DPC also writes great dialogue that's often witty and actually sounds like something a human being would say.

Both of those qualities are rare in games these days.

I think DPC has, at times, a problem with plotlines. Altho I do recognize that BaDIK is a way more extensive and complicated story than AL, and even with it's flaws, is better than so many games being produced today, not to mention many movies and TV shows.

I think BaD is hitting a problem that has been a part of choice based games in general for a while now, but is only now making its way to adult games. As much as players say they want their choices to make a difference, majority still want to feel like they are central everything and that all can be achieved. With adult games this means that while there are choices there, it requires almost all the attractive female/male characters, depending on the type of the game, to feel fundamentally attracted to the MC as it has to be MCs choice if to pursue them or not.

The difficulty is that we all get that's not how things are with human interactions, but is a part of the wish fulfillment of the game. However, it also makes it difficult to efficiently create those layered characters and plotlines as it all has to ultimately come back to the MC and have him be the deciding factor in them. It is a tricky balance and I do have some understanding towards more ambitious game developers trying to juggle that balance such as DPC is doing here. However, I also don't think that explains all the issues with the game as the most talked about plot problem here goes far beyond this.

 

[Sev162]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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[Zareem]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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Ahh very cool!

 

[felicemastronzo]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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no, because DPC said they are separate stories in two different "universes".

I would have liked it too

 

[Saramago]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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Also replayed AL a while ago and, well, I'm a simple man. Seeing Quinn as a nurse was all the easter eggs I needed

 

[Esp``]

I think BaD is hitting a problem that has been a part of choice based games in general for a while now, but is only now making its way to adult games. As much as players say they want their choices to make a difference, majority still want to feel like they are central everything and that all can be achieved. With adult games this means that while there are choices there, it requires almost all the attractive female/male characters, depending on the type of the game, to feel fundamentally attracted to the MC as it has to be MCs choice if to pursue them or not.

The difficulty is that we all get that's not how things are with human interactions, but is a part of the wish fulfillment of the game. However, it also makes it difficult to efficiently create those layered characters and plotlines as it all has to ultimately come back to the MC and have him be the deciding factor in them. It is a tricky balance and I do have some understanding towards more ambitious game developers trying to juggle that balance such as DPC is doing here. However, I also don't think that explains all the issues with the game as the most talked about plot problem here goes far beyond this.

Nicely put, yeah. "I want choices to matter but I want to experience all of them at the same time" plagues choice based games for some time. Especially for VN's since they are more intimate, it also is one of the only ways to split content and add more replayability but it still feels bitter. When it is done good, it makes the player just start again with planning a different route, when it is done bad it just feels weird.

I know the other guy literally ignored everything I said and quoted one sentence to farm reactions but when you make out with Camila 2 times and even have a threesome with her and Mona already, it feels weird to have her scene in EP5 locked out just because you didn't pay like 3 episodes ago. Even if you got closer with her and literally had sex with her in the story, it does not matter to DPC. As I said, weird.

 

[Meushi]

Makes me wonder if we'll see any cameos/references

As felicemastronzo says:

it's a deffo same universe - DIK would be just too much of coincidence.

Originally it was meant to be a prequel to AL. I dropped that idea. but kept the DIK part because of reasons. It's not the same universe, nor should you expect to see any deliberate reference or face from AL. It's a new story, I'm starting fresh. So if you play the updates waiting for it to turn into AL 2.0, you will miss out on the journey.

 

[reflexbound]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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It's a different universe. DPC just uses some of the same assets (guess there aren't that many fraternity assets available). It's not just the MC and Liam, it's also the two girls you can meet at the bar (whatever their names were), they got HOT uniforms.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think BaD is hitting a problem that has been a part of choice based games in general for a while now, but is only now making its way to adult games. As much as players say they want their choices to make a difference, majority still want to feel like they are central everything and that all can be achieved. With adult games this means that while there are choices there, it requires almost all the attractive female/male characters, depending on the type of the game, to feel fundamentally attracted to the MC as it has to be MCs choice if to pursue them or not.

The difficulty is that we all get that's not how things are with human interactions, but is a part of the wish fulfillment of the game. However, it also makes it difficult to efficiently create those layered characters and plotlines as it all has to ultimately come back to the MC and have him be the deciding factor in them. It is a tricky balance and I do have some understanding towards more ambitious game developers trying to juggle that balance such as DPC is doing here. However, I also don't think that explains all the issues with the game as the most talked about plot problem here goes far beyond this.

if you are referring to Maya and Josy, I disagree. both because they are attracted to Mc, so that's not the problem, and because they are official LIs, so if they weren't attracted to Mc it would be a "scam" (as with Leah in AL for example)

if instead you refer in general to the difficulties to reach our "dreams of love", then for me it is not a problem, on the contrary it gives more taste

 

[Sev162]

no, because DPC said they are separate stories in two different "universes".

Ah that's a shame, but probably the safer way to handle things - rather than trying to make everything he does part of a big shared universe and having people wanting favourite character reappearances all the time.

As felicemastronzo says:

Thank you for finding the quote to share! Understandable that he decided to go that way. I'm glad he changed from it being a prequel to AL, but still could've been fun if it was just in the same universe with a reference or two here and there. Like I said above though, probably the safer/smarter way to just keep things separate.

It's not just the MC and Liam, it's also the two girls you can meet at the bar (whatever their names were), they got HOT uniforms.

Oh wow I didn't see the bedroom scenes with them in this replay so never saw that, but that's cool!

 

[Derptronic]

Random thing I just wanted to share - over the last few nights I replayed Acting Lessons for the first time since it was completed, and I never realised/didn't remember that

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Wouldn't that mean Being a DIK takes place long before Acting Lessons then? Rusty and Tommy created the frat only a couple years prior to the main story.

 

[martialace]

Why do people hate Josy so much? I think she is kinda cute tho

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's a different universe. DPC just uses some of the same assets (guess there aren't that many fraternity assets available). It's not just the MC and Liam, it's also the two girls you can meet at the bar (whatever their names were), they got HOT uniforms.

also in "Melody" a HOT uniform appears, am I think it's just a tribute

 

[ename144]

do you hope that the game of D&G resolves (partially) the complicated relationship between Maya and Josy and the "players"?
your optimism moves me, I am ready to support your dream.

maybe if they destroy the ring and save the 4 lands with heroic and altruistic gestures they can do it

No, as I said I think it's too late for DPC to fix the relationship with the players (at least directly); everyone who is inclined to forgive them already has.

But M&J are still going to be a big part of the story, so getting players hostile to them to at least grin and bear them is necessary. IMHO illustrating a genuine platonic friendship between them (rather than just asserting one exists) would be a big step in the right direction for that.

Don't dwell on it, and definitely don't try to guilt the player into admitting he was wrong to ever dislike them. Just show why MC enjoys spending time with them and move on.

My worry is that DPC is going to be so focused on giving us a solo path with each girl that the "friendship" route is only going to underscore that the two are terrible lovers and reinforce the notion that the MC should want nothing to do with them. DPC needs to reconnect the characters to the MC before he can try to split them up and pair them off. It will be a slow process, but that's what happens when you poison your own well.

 

[Blake45666]

Why do people hate Josy so much? I think she is kinda cute tho

people just have their own opinions about everything and it's just a bit more obvious with Maya and Josy because a lot of people disliked episode 4's handling of the relationship between those 2 and the MC

i personally don't like the look of Bella (but i do like her as a character), and she's by far the favorite of the general community so yeah, opinions i guess. I am glad at least some people like Josy though, she's indeed cute and a fun character

 

[felicemastronzo]

No, as I said I think it's too late for DPC to fix the relationship with the players (at least directly); everyone who is inclined to forgive them already has.

But M&J are still going to be a big part of the story, so getting players hostile to them to at least grin and bear them is necessary. IMHO illustrating a genuine platonic friendship between them (rather than just asserting one exists) would be a big step in the right direction for that.

Don't dwell on it, and definitely don't try to guilt the player into admitting he was wrong to ever dislike them. Just show why MC enjoys spending time with them and move on.

My worry is that DPC is going to be so focused on giving us a solo path with each girl that the "friendship" route is only going to underscore that the two are terrible lovers and reinforce the notion that the MC should want nothing to do with them. DPC needs to reconnect the characters to the MC before he can try to split them up and pair them off. It will be a slow process, but that's what happens when you poison your own well.

do you know what an incredible help would be in this?

in the path of friendship Maya and Josy should make an evident contribution in helping MC in the relationship with the other LIs, but a contribution so important that without it, MC would have to give up.

this would be consistent with friendship, it would clear any doubts (at least many) about the nature of the relationships between them and it would also be an interesting premise for the switch to the "solo route" with Maya or Josy

for example as fan fiction: Jill catches Mc in an unfortunate situation (due to the scavenger hunt) and decides not to have anything to do with him anymore, avoiding him repeatedly.
Josyand /or Maya takes charge of the problem and explains the misunderstanding to Jill allowing a rapprochement with MC

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Who is the crumpet you are nibbling on whilst drinking your tea

That would be a strumpet. I said "crumpet".

I think BaD is hitting a problem that has been a part of choice based games in general for a while now, but is only now making its way to adult games. As much as players say they want their choices to make a difference, majority still want to feel like they are central everything and that all can be achieved. With adult games this means that while there are choices there, it requires almost all the attractive female/male characters, depending on the type of the game, to feel fundamentally attracted to the MC as it has to be MCs choice if to pursue them or not.

The difficulty is that we all get that's not how things are with human interactions, but is a part of the wish fulfillment of the game. However, it also makes it difficult to efficiently create those layered characters and plotlines as it all has to ultimately come back to the MC and have him be the deciding factor in them. It is a tricky balance and I do have some understanding towards more ambitious game developers trying to juggle that balance such as DPC is doing here. However, I also don't think that explains all the issues with the game as the most talked about plot problem here goes far beyond this.

It's an issue inherent in all adult games because it has become the nature of them that the MC is a babe magnet who attracts all girls to him, even ones who are not LIs and therefore don't have a path to an ending with them. Even when devs try to strike a balance by making it clear that the MC and a random side girl have no future together, players still push for it, just as they will sometimes push for girls who were never going to be with the MC to be with, i.e. KRJ.

In terms of "the most talked plot problem", I think it does relate to this very thing because a major issue was the fact that he wasn't the central figure in that moment. M&J both seem to forget he's there for a moment as they have their inexplicably and unbelievably quick reconciliation, and whilst these 2 were/are in a relationship, the MC perhaps should have been the central figure because not only was he the one to clear the air and try to bring them all together, but he was also the person they both developed feelings for and had their "affair" with.

For the MC to not feel central in that moment goes against conventional adult game storytelling, and sometimes it feels like this is what DPC is wanting to do, but it doesn't always seem to work for them. AL tried to do this too with the death of a LI and it proved highly controversial, even if DPC is still happy with that decision, but as much as they keep seemingly wanting to try and reinvent the wheel, I don't think most players want that. So DPC is walking a very fine line here between giving people what they want and pissing them off by subverting expectations and taking some of their agancy as a player away from them.

It's a different universe. DPC just uses some of the same assets (guess there aren't that many fraternity assets available). It's not just the MC and Liam, it's also the two girls you can meet at the bar (whatever their names were), they got HOT uniforms.

also in "Melody" a HOT uniform appears, am I think it's just a tribute

I've mentioned this before, but the HOT uniform is from a Daz asset called "

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", and both the HOT name and colour scheme are part of that asset.

Also, Sage's HOT uniform in the Ep 5 flashback is from the "

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" asset.