VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 3006697]

When you're on the M&J route and Josy finds out about Tommy hit the MC and she kicks Tommy's balls

Ah shit.
Never selected the throuple option.
But nice scene tho. I love it.

 

[anonymoussposter]

And people say Josy lacks character.

Yes she does not have one because there is no story of her own .

imfaooo why the denial though , i dont get it

 

[rj677]

Ultimately, I just want my choices to matter and equality between LIs.

However, DPC has other plans like forcing us to go study with M&J at the library, forcing us to play D&G (these 2 have nothing to do with their relationship or the overall story and we are still forced into it), forcing a DIK MC to be buthurt and sad in ep4 etc. (Have in mind that these are views of a Full DIK player) Concluding:

 

[felicemastronzo]

I know, I don't do Bella, you can have your Forced psycho relationship , I'm fine without Her. and the Same way you can be fine without Maya and Josy..
The point I was making is that they are not more forced on you , than the We had to spend the night with Bella and Jill, and make pancake in the morning, whereas I rather go to home and Fuck my two bisexual bitch .
but you don't hear me complain about it

come on...

MC goes to Bella to talk to Cathe for the sake of the DIKs, Bella and Jill have nothing to do with it, they just welcome him.

instead then at the end of the sixth chapter you have to run to Maya, called by Josy, to hear the story of the father's ultimatum for the umpteenth time (the details on the loan were of interest to anyone?)


Jill has a problem, a problem that MC has generated, and she is facing it herself (for now)

 

[mpa71]

About the critics on the writing, let's remember the recent Cyberpunk 2077:

Spoiler: Stats about Cyberpunk 2077 dialogues, no spoiler, but might ruin your hype about the story/game

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

I think it's still too short to gun at DPC writing; let's see how the season end. He now have serious hardware and fund to back his ambition. It's probably the greatest and most engaging VN's to date and that's why we so passionate about it.

 

[concord72]

In the very beginning of Ep 6, when you are talking with Tommy, right before the major choice, the conversation seems to randomly cut to Vinny for a few lines and then returns to you and Tommy. Is this supposed to play out like this or does my game somehow have a glitch?

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

come on...

MC goes to Bella to talk to Cathe for the sake of the DIKs, Bella and Jill have nothing to do with it, they just welcome him.

instead then at the end of the sixth chapter you have to run to Maya, called by Josy, to hear the story of the father's ultimatum for the umpteenth time (the details on the loan were of interest to anyone?)

Don't try dude
It's no use explaining this to Josy/Maya fans lol

 

[ChipLecsap]

nobody knows what will happen in the future. even those in the trouple do not know


for now those players have had two chapters out of 6 that certainly did not satisfy them, and that if they faced in a "faithful" way they were also rather boring.

True. to be fair, if we playing the "faithful" playstyle with any of the love interest, the experience is rather boring in almost every route. Jill is the most, then ,may be Josy or Bella
Sage is definitely is the best if you do a solo girl route.
that is also a little problem with the game in my opinion, it's a porn game after all, we are here for the content. DPC can't expect people to create at least 5 save just for the girls, and 3 others for the affinity system to be able to get the game content.
May be there are some hardcore fans who does it, Im not oen of them.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm certainly not exonerating Josy, but unlike felicemastronzo, I do see the blame split rather equally here. To me, it seems like both Josy and MC liked each other enough that they did things in the heat of the moment that they later felt guilty about. When the whole situation exploded, they both trouble processing that and occasionally took it out on each other.

That's more or less what the game will eventually explain, and IMHO it fits well. YMMV of course, but I don't think there's any evidence to support an interpretation that Josy was deliberately using the MC.

you divide the blame equally between them, but what MC says are bullshit, while what Josy says is a very human response ...

I find it a very human response to the MC's bullshit: the MC knew she was "off-limits" when he got involved with her, so there's no reason for him to hang everything on her just because he turned out to be friends with her SO. And it certainly ties in with her earlier talk. There, she was feeling trapped and alone without Maya. Now the person she turned to for support is ostracizing her despite knowing exactly how Josy feels about it. That's a deep cut, so yeah, no wonder Josy snaps at the MC.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Don't try dude
It's no use explaining this to Josy/Maya fans lol

lets not get personal, Shall we ?!

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think what we're really talking about here is a conflict over the nature of storytelling. This is part of the challenge when playing these sorts of games, is the MC their own character or are they just an extension of me? It's why I would prefer games like this not allow you to customize the MC's name- it helps clarify who's story it is. If my character's name is Ginger, then I want them to make the decisions that I want and for the game world to react accordingly. But if I'm playing a game with a named protagonist who has their own personality, then I'm ok with them making decisions that I wouldn't make because I'm playing someone elses story.

It's like the ending in The Last of Us. A lot of players flipped out because they didn't want to kill the doctors, but they didn't have a choice. But for me it was easy, this wasn't my story, this was Joel's story, and Joel is a murderous son of a bitch.

Easy answer; we're playing as the MC. What we're doing in these VNs/games is guiding the MC along whatever path we want for them, but we don't have full autonomous control. Some things will be forced upon them no matter what we do, but in most cases we'll simply decide the result of something and not whether it happens in the first place.

However, these results can and should make sense when measured against certain previous choices and this is where this game doesn't always do well. The M&J thing, for example, should have played out in 2 different ways; the way it already does if you avoided all the optional content with them, and the 2 of them not getting back together so easily if you did all/most optional content with them. If the MC doesn't go back to Maya after the party and finger her, stay with Josy, and stay with Maya, then it might be more understandable that they kiss and make up like they do, but by doing everything or most things with them, they should be more conflicted. These choices should have weighed more heavily on the outcome than the Affinity.

True
But what I'm saying is that you have the option to go after all the other LIs, while Maya and Josy are literally forced down your throat.

Bella and Jill are also forced but you don't hear anybody complaining about that.

"it really isn't fair to complain about those aspects that the story"
It is.
I'm not complaining about MC's sunglasses here, as i said before it is a major part of the story, it is fair to complain about it.

No, it isn't. If you're complaining about how it plays out, that it should have played out differently depending on the choices you make, then fair enough, but complaining that it exists in the first place is not something that is fair game to complain about.

Them being in his life and him being involved in theirs is a key part to the story, and you just have to accept that.

Yes she does not have one because there is no story of her own .

imfaooo why the denial though , i dont get it

There are 3 other LIs who have stories of their own and yet we've been shown more of who Josy is as a character and we know more about her than we do these other LIs.

Some people clearly aren't paying close enough attention.

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

lets not get personal, Shall we ?!

Personal?

Anyways dude we are discussing a porn game here lol
Chill!

 

[m0us3r]

Ultimately, I just want my choices to matter and equality between LIs.

However, DPC has other plans like forcing us to go study with M&J at the library, forcing us to play D&G (these 2 have nothing to do with their relationship or the overall story and we are still forced into it), forcing a DIK MC to be buthurt and sad in ep4 etc.

I would agree with that absolutely, but in reality having choices always mean that:

• Either we could just skip some parts, which would make the game feel shorter.
• Or the dev would make 2 more or less equal branches, doubling the amount of work.

In "Acting Lessons" there were large branches & rich choices, lots of developer's efforts; but in the end the game felt a bit short.

 

[felicemastronzo]

True. to be fair, if we playing the "faithful" playstyle with any of the love interest, the experience is rather boring in almost every route. Jill is the most, then ,may be Josy or Bella
Sage is definitely is the best if you do a solo girl route.
that is also a little problem with the game in my opinion, it's a porn game after all, we are here for the content. DPC can't expect people to create at least 5 save just for the girls, and 3 others for the affinity system to be able to get the game content.
May be there are some hardcore fans who does it, Im not oen of them.

true, but with the others there are some "prizes"

meanwhile, you have no remorse about your sentimental situation, moreover you fully attend the LI you have chosen without having to suffer from forced choices (if you have chosen Jill it is not a problem not to go to Sage, and vice versa)

instead as a "friend" of Maya and Josy what do you get?
what is the consolation prize?

a message for the birthday and no help to tidy up the house (the latter would have been an excellent opportunity for some meaningful dialogue with one of the two)

 

[moskyx]

About the critics on the writing, let's remember the recent Cyberpunk 2077:

Spoiler: Stats about Cyberpunk 2077 dialogues, no spoiler, but might ruin your hype about the story/game

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

I think it's still too short to gun at DPC writing; let's see how the season end. He now have serious hardware and fund to back his ambition. It's probably the greatest and most engaging VN's to date and that's why we so passionate about it.

A story can have "inconsequential" choices and still be well written, as long as those options and minor changes fit in the story and the way you're carried back to the main road has an internal logic that lets you accept that some forced events happen regardless your prior choices. When you make some choice and then the story throws you to a point where you can't honestly understand how your MC turned up there after making that choice, or your MC plainly contradicts that choice moments later without any logical reason, then you have bad writing.

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

Bella and Jill are also forced but you don't hear anybody complaining about that.

Now I'm definitely sure that we are playing different games

 

[ChipLecsap]

come on...

MC goes to Bella to talk to Cathe for the sake of the DIKs, Bella and Jill have nothing to do with it, they just welcome him.

instead then at the end of the sixth chapter you have to run to Maya, called by Josy, to hear the story of the father's ultimatum for the umpteenth time (the details on the loan were of interest to anyone?)


Jill has a problem, a problem that MC has generated, and she is facing it herself (for now)

You somehow, Missing the whole Quinn's restaurant, Free tuition plot storyline. Regardless of your involvement with Maya, that is a storyline She is connected to it, so She calling MC after She finally find out its a lie, is a main storyline element, dont you think?
Yeah we could slice this down too, Why MC actually never tell Her what he knows. But it is what it is. But it was about time to have a conclusion to that storyline. I wonder where her journey lead from this

 

[mindern]

With respect, I think you're reading things into her words and actions that are not there. Josy didn't drop the MC until AFTER he stormed out on her.

Josy asked the MC to meet her in the bathroom, and the MC immediately implied she lied to him about her "boyfriend." In response, she said she wanted to explain when she got here and that it shouldn't make any difference if her SO was a boy or a girl. It's only when the MC insists she should have told him all the specific details (including some rather private ones) that she snaps at him. And even after that exchange, her ultimate response is still "What are we going to do...?" [Emphasis mine.]

Clearly she still saw the MC as more than a crutch to be discarded at that point. In comparison, Josy is fairly testy with Maya until they laugh over the diarrhea shit joke, and she still hasn't gotten close enough to tell her about the MC by the time of the library scene. Also, Josy is still trying to patch things up with the MC after that. Whatever Josy said in anger, she clearly cared about him to some extent.

As doing everything she could to encourage the MC's advances, I again disagree. At best, Josy took half the chances. It was Josy called an end to the first date, and she repeatedly poured cold water on things by bringing up her relationship or her own feelings of guilt. On those occasions, it was the MC who did everything he could to encourage her: begging her to stay on the line, letting him see her over the weekend, or saying she must be unhappy in her relationship while on the couch.

I'm certainly not exonerating Josy, but unlike felicemastronzo, I do see the blame split rather equally here. To me, it seems like both Josy and MC liked each other enough that they did things in the heat of the moment that they later felt guilty about. When the whole situation exploded, they both trouble processing that and occasionally took it out on each other.

That's more or less what the game will eventually explain, and IMHO it fits well. YMMV of course, but I don't think there's any evidence to support an interpretation that Josy was deliberately using the MC.

I agree with your overarching point but there's one element you missed. Her decision to live with Maya. She called the MC and asked if she could stay with him and when he turns her down she goes straight to living with Maya. Granted her choices were limited but she clearly had a foot in both camps long before the MC snapped at her.

Like you said, both to blame but if we’re discussing exactly when Josy “dropped” the MC I would argue it’s ambiguous whether the MC storming out forced her hand or if she was leaning towards staying with Maya anyways.

Her first choice was the MC. Living with a guy would kinda be a big fuck you to her girlfriend and be tricky to walk back. Conversely living with her partner is a fairly big indication she didn’t intend to leave Maya quite yet.

It all tracks (in my opinion) with exactly what Josy herself says if you choose to be friends after her conversation with her dad. She had loving feelings for two people and went back and forth on who she wanted to be with. They were all confused and handled it poorly. Josy knew she could be happy with both of them but was afraid so MC walking away in a huff gave her an out. Forced her hand on a decision she wasn’t willing to make. She never used him, she was in two minds and he forced her hand.

still a cheater, and I’m not opening that can of worms again, but that’s a separate issue to her using the MC.

 

[felicemastronzo]

You somehow, Missing the whole Quinn's restaurant, Free tuition plot storyline. Regardless of your involvement with Maya, that is a storyline She is connected to it, so She calling MC after She finally find out its a lie, is a main storyline element, dont you think?
Yeah we could slice this down too, Why MC actually never tell Her what he knows. But it is what it is. But it was about time to have a conclusion to that storyline. I wonder where her journey lead from this

but what does the restaurant have to do with Josy's call?

Maya doesn't talk about it, and she doesn't know anything about it. MC going there continues to know what he knew before.
that the free tuition was little more than a chat everyone knew, Josy is forced to remind Maya

what changes in the overall storyline that MC runs there to ask Maya for the umpteenth time to be honest with him and Maya for the umpteenth time tell us how bad and unreliable her father is?

what use is the presence of MC there for girls? Josy is Maya's girlfriend but she has to call MC otherwise she doesn't know what to do

it is evident that it only serves to bring MC to Maya's father (or at least to make us think that it could happen), to involve him again in a problem not his own.

and you want me to compare this situation to the forced stay at Bella's house?

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

Yes she does not have one because there is no story of her own .

imfaooo why the denial though , i dont get it

Ultimately, I just want my choices to matter and equality between LIs.

However, DPC has other plans like forcing us to go study with M&J at the library, forcing us to play D&G (these 2 have nothing to do with their relationship or the overall story and we are still forced into it), forcing a DIK MC to be buthurt and sad in ep4 etc. (Have in mind that these are views of a Full DIK player) Concluding:

View attachment 960822

I reached my reactions limit for today
Have a reply instead.