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DavDR

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I agree, I think she isn't excused by any means, but she has reasons that I at the very least find valid. I actually disliked her as a character at the beginning of BaDIK. But the later episodes have made her one of my favorite characters in the game. I'm actually sad she isn't a LI.
To say that her reason's are valid seem's to me an endorsement of her actions, which is totally unacceptable.
 

Lj625

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I applaud the effort, I really do, but I question whether features like this are really more important uses of time than the actual story of the game and all the various paths.
ye. i'm just hoping dpc won't spend too much time on the new phone in ep7, like he spend way too much effort on D&D in ep6 and we basically learnt nothing story wise
 

ename144

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WARNING!
If you haven't played episode 6, there may be minor spoilers for you in this post.
This post contains minor spoilers for an updated feature in episode 7, but it's nothing that's story related.
Read at your own discretion.

This week's status update is a bit different than usual.

I wanted to present parts of an updated/new feature that will appear, starting episode 7.

Many of you have guessed it already, and for others, it might come as a minor surprise.

I have worked hard on updating the in-game phone to accommodate the future needs of the game.

The phone is updated starting episode 7, so it's not a retroactive change. The MC just got a new phone, and it's going to be an improved version of the old variant.

So, what I've done is a rewrite of the phone code. I've left functionality that works well, added new functionality that's needed, updated the GUIs, and more.

I could probably talk about the phone features for hours, but I have to limit myself and let you discover most on your own.

So, I'm not going to go overtly into details, as it's also a work in progress feature, but I will show you a few of the implemented features and my thoughts for them below.

The main GUI is completely new, but it should still feel familiar.



Note that the phone in the picture is from a playthrough without mini-games.

During free-roam events, there's a music bar displaying the name of the song that's currently playing. You can toggle this bar on or off if you'd rather see more of the wallpaper behind it.

In this picture you can see three new apps, and also notice the absence of some. Some apps may have been removed, some apps may have been merged.

The two new apps in this picture are 2D art and Pack Quest. You've come into contact with both of them in episode 6.

They will be handled directly from your phone starting episode 7.

With the exception of a few apps, most apps have been (or will be) revamped.

Two apps I'm particularly excited about are the Music and Bios apps.

In the Music app, you can now filter songs by genre, and I have included a genre for licensed music that many of you wanted to be able to play.



You can also set songs as favorites and have a playlist with just your favorite tunes.

This means that you can choose to have a customized playlist that you can play during free roam events.

I can't show you too much of the Bios app, but it's going to be a tilted version of the phone where each character will have their own screen with past choices and events.



Without getting into detail, a subset of other features that you can expect from the new phone are:

  • Customizable/favorite/randomized wallpaper functionality.
  • Simple emoticons in text messages.
  • Animated transitions and screens.
The phone feels very modern and it's an enjoyable experience using it.

I hope that you will come to love it as much as I already do.



Have a nice weekend!

Dr PinkCake
Well, no point in breaking out the charts this week; no updates, so I assume we're still in the March-May 2021 release zone.

The new phone sounds... like it's there. Having the name of the current song available is definitely nice. Having options to control the song in freeroams is welcome, but not something I ever felt we needed before.

The new profiles seem... like they're just going to be an extra click to access the same sort of information. I guess flagging new information is good, but honestly how often have you looked at the profile and wondered if the info was new? I just played through the events, I remember which ones just happened!

As others have guessed, it looks like Swyper didn't make the transition. On the one hand, I'm fine with that; I think Swyper was mostly played out. On the other hand though, I sincerely hope this means the MC is starting to take his relationship(s) with the LIs more seriously and not just an excuse to skip adding content for it. If the MC is still chasing after every girl in sight it will be odd that he ditched Swyper right after proving it can indeed get him laid.

Since DPC specified the phone is from a non-mini-game run, it seems likely the fighting and puzzle apps will also change. Not much to say there until we learn more.

I do wonder if the DIK laptop will have any purpose now that the render Packs have a phone app. The game talks the MC's access to the laptop up enough that it feels like it should matter, but at this point it doesn't do much.

Overall, I agree that this is DPC spending time on trivial changes that would be better spent advancing the story or just adding more content with the main characters. But it's his game so we're stuck with this sort of thing. Let's hope the phone upgrade didn't take long.
 

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To say that her reason's are valid seem's to me an endorsement of her actions, which is totally unacceptable.
But is her goal to undermine Sage's power? I don't think so, it's just a consequence which might or might not be intended from the start. Her main goal is to cover up Quinn, that's obvious. Does she have any other option available to do so without making Sage get all the blame? As ename said, at first she tries to evade the question, then when Heather insists she deflects everything to Sage. If she doesn't want to blow up Quinn's machinations but still feels pressured to give an answer because Heather keeps asking, the easiest way out is to say it was all Sage's idea (which HOT's like Heather, who are not part of the prostitution ring, could easily believe because is not entirely a lie, as she has the power to do so and it was indeed Sage who negotiated with the preps due to her role as sorority's president).

So Riona achieves her goal to let Quinn go unharmed on Heather's eyes, but she damages Sage in the way. You can call it a collateral effect. Is it a bad, mean, dishonest move? Of course. We're just trying to understand her actions and motivations, not saying they are OK and acceptable.
 

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To say that her reason's are valid seem's to me an endorsement of her actions, which is totally unacceptable.
Did you disregard the beginning of what I said where i stated that her actions are not excused? I don't really care what it seems to you when I am literally telling you what I mean. To further explain what I meant by valid reasons, I will give you an example. Say a man or woman is in a relationship and they are abusive, no reasoning can justify the action itself and of course it's wrong. However, they could have a legitimate reason for being that way, maybe they themselves were abused in a past relationship or when growing up. I will reiterate, that does not excuse them from being abusive by any means. It does however give a person more insight into why they do the things they do, and then hopefully proceed to improve upon themselves. So in regards to Quinn, yes some of her actions are inexcusable, however I would say that going off her being young and having the upbringing that she has had, nothing that she has done is irredeemable by any means. Especially because we're seeing her being influenced by the mc and changing.
 

ename144

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No, this topic started when I commented on someone's post that Riona had asked the MC to take care of Sage when she was sick, and that I found it odd that she would because Riona had never shown any concern or loyalty for Sage.

Riona isn't "trying" to undermine Sage, going around and telling lies behind her back IS undermining Sage. Riona isn't a complete fool, she knows what the fallout from dropping that bomb will be.
But as I said, she defended Sage against Heather. You are ignoring evidence of Riona caring about Sage then complaining that further evidence of Riona caring about Sage is inconsistent with your own preconceptions of how Riona should have been acting.

Hence my point: Riona doesn't want to undermine Sage, however she wants to face the music for her part in Quinn's schemes even less. So she will throw Sage under the bus when absolutely necessary, but will do her best to mitigate the damage when that happens.

Quinn recognizes from the start that the DIK's won't like it when she implements her scheme, (it's right there in the dialogue) so it's no side effect. She knows what's going to happen and even exacerbates the situation by failing to warn Tommy and Rusty that the HOT's are cancelling.
And yet you'll note how surprised Quinn is when Tommy storms out on her because he was unhappy with her scheme. Why would Sage's upcoming crisis be less of a surprise to Quinn?

The takeaway here is once again that Quinn is really bad at being a chessmaster. All her talk about planning two moves ahead is just bluster: Quinn believes she'll always be able to wiggle out of trouble down the line. She barely understands the concept of unintended consequences.

And I don't consider it trivial at all. Quinn and Riona are poisoning everyone they come in contact with, just to cover their dirty scheme's. And that poison is having a ripple effect on the lives of everyone they touch.
Whereas said dirty schemes have no effect on anyone else? They seem to be doing a lot more damage, and are the driving force behind the damage you're worried about.

To me indirectly badmouthing a friend is the symptom, not the cause.
 

DavDR

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But as I said, she defended Sage against Heather. You are ignoring evidence of Riona caring about Sage then complaining that further evidence of Riona caring about Sage is inconsistent with your own preconceptions of how Riona should have been acting.

Hence my point: Riona doesn't want to undermine Sage, however she wants to face the music for her part in Quinn's schemes even less. So she will throw Sage under the bus when absolutely necessary, but will do her best to mitigate the damage when that happens.


And yet you'll note how surprised Quinn is when Tommy storms out on her because he was unhappy with her scheme. Why would Sage's upcoming crisis be less of a surprise to Quinn?

The takeaway here is once again that Quinn is really bad at being a chessmaster. All her talk about planning two moves ahead is just bluster: Quinn believes she'll always be able to wiggle out of trouble down the line. She barely understands the concept of unintended consequences.


Whereas said dirty schemes have no effect on anyone else? They seem to be doing a lot more damage, and are the driving force behind the damage you're worried about.

To me indirectly badmouthing a friend is the symptom, not the cause.
Riona 'defending' Sage at the end of the conversation is merely closing the door after tossing the grenade into the room. If Riona's behavior in that scene is your idea of caring about someone, I just don't know what to say.

And as I pointed out earlier, Riona always had the option to say nothing. Heather had no power over her, nothing compelled her to answer Heather's bitching, that's all Heather was doing, complaining. She say's so herself.
 

MoarDakka123

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Thank you!
Just because you have a sob backstory doesn't means you get to run your own drug empire/prostitution ring lol
Literally not anyone said that. A few pages ago I told DavDR something along the lines of "I don't think [yet another guy] meant that it was morally permissible", and DavDR's immediate response was to insinuate that I was okay with any of what Quinn is doing (EDIT: scratch that, that wasn't actually implied, but my point at the time was still completely missed). I was about to write a response to that yesterday, but right as I was about to post the reply I realized this is just a massive can of worms to open with someone who can't seem to understand that you can understand, even sympathize with someone without condoning their deeds; so I disengaged. To my chagrin, I saw ename144 open that very can of worms on the next page, but at least he and johndoe19 tried to clear things up, so props for that.

Point being, the two of you are misunderstanding everything being said so badly that I have difficulty coming up with how to clarify this to you. There is a stark difference between understanding why someone is doing something (what we've been doing), and condoning their actions. I can understand why people who were born and raised in the Westboro Baptist Church thought picketing funerals was okay, that does not mean I am okay with it. Similarly, I can understand why Quinn and Riona are willing to throw Sage under the bus, even if I strongly disagree with it, and the rest of the stuff they are doing.
 

AchedCroissant

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WARNING!
If you haven't played episode 6, there may be minor spoilers for you in this post.
This post contains minor spoilers for an updated feature in episode 7, but it's nothing that's story related.
Read at your own discretion.

This week's status update is a bit different than usual.

I wanted to present parts of an updated/new feature that will appear, starting episode 7.

Many of you have guessed it already, and for others, it might come as a minor surprise.

I have worked hard on updating the in-game phone to accommodate the future needs of the game.

The phone is updated starting episode 7, so it's not a retroactive change. The MC just got a new phone, and it's going to be an improved version of the old variant.

So, what I've done is a rewrite of the phone code. I've left functionality that works well, added new functionality that's needed, updated the GUIs, and more.

I could probably talk about the phone features for hours, but I have to limit myself and let you discover most on your own.

So, I'm not going to go overtly into details, as it's also a work in progress feature, but I will show you a few of the implemented features and my thoughts for them below.

The main GUI is completely new, but it should still feel familiar.



Note that the phone in the picture is from a playthrough without mini-games.

During free-roam events, there's a music bar displaying the name of the song that's currently playing. You can toggle this bar on or off if you'd rather see more of the wallpaper behind it.

In this picture you can see three new apps, and also notice the absence of some. Some apps may have been removed, some apps may have been merged.

The two new apps in this picture are 2D art and Pack Quest. You've come into contact with both of them in episode 6.

They will be handled directly from your phone starting episode 7.

With the exception of a few apps, most apps have been (or will be) revamped.

Two apps I'm particularly excited about are the Music and Bios apps.

In the Music app, you can now filter songs by genre, and I have included a genre for licensed music that many of you wanted to be able to play.



You can also set songs as favorites and have a playlist with just your favorite tunes.

This means that you can choose to have a customized playlist that you can play during free roam events.

I can't show you too much of the Bios app, but it's going to be a tilted version of the phone where each character will have their own screen with past choices and events.



Without getting into detail, a subset of other features that you can expect from the new phone are:

  • Customizable/favorite/randomized wallpaper functionality.
  • Simple emoticons in text messages.
  • Animated transitions and screens.
The phone feels very modern and it's an enjoyable experience using it.

I hope that you will come to love it as much as I already do.



Have a nice weekend!

Dr PinkCake
More than confirmed, goodbye the manwhore route

A least this pic is from the route of Jill and the pic of Jill have a software for delete the swyper app
 
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Gladheim

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Well realistically and although I liked Swyper, at this point it doesn't make much sense unless you're a free soul. Starting more or less serious relationships with some girls and having a swyper is silly. At least think about real life, I can't imagine being on Tinder flirting with other girls while having a girlfriend.
 
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That's not what I said though
Literally not anyone said that. A few pages ago I told DavDR something along the lines of "I don't think [yet another guy] meant that it was morally permissible", and DavDR's immediate response was to insinuate that I was okay with any of what Quinn is doing (EDIT: scratch that, that wasn't actually implied, but my point at the time was still completely missed). I was about to write a response to that yesterday, but right as I was about to post the reply I realized this is just a massive can of worms to open with someone who can't seem to understand that you can understand, even sympathize with someone without condoning their deeds; so I disengaged. To my chagrin, I saw ename144 open that very can of worms on the next page, but at least he and johndoe19 tried to clear things up, so props for that.

Point being, the two of you are misunderstanding everything being said so badly that I have difficulty coming up with how to clarify this to you. There is a stark difference between understanding why someone is doing something (what we've been doing), and condoning their actions. I can understand why people who were born and raised in the Westboro Baptist Church thought picketing funerals was okay, that does not mean I am okay with it. Similarly, I can understand why Quinn and Riona are willing to throw Sage under the bus, even if I strongly disagree with it, and the rest of the stuff they are doing.

I don't dislike her at all
But I've seen people here defend Quinn's actions which I seriously don't understand.
Her character is bad(as in ethically bad) but at least she is not boring (like a certain LI in this game) which is more important than being good or bad (at least in a porn games)
 

DavDR

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Literally not anyone said that. A few pages ago I told DavDR something along the lines of "I don't think [yet another guy] meant that it was morally permissible", and DavDR's immediate response was to insinuate that I was okay with any of what Quinn is doing (EDIT: scratch that, that wasn't actually implied, but my point at the time was still completely missed). I was about to write a response to that yesterday, but right as I was about to post the reply I realized this is just a massive can of worms to open with someone who can't seem to understand that you can understand, even sympathize with someone without condoning their deeds; so I disengaged. To my chagrin, I saw ename144 open that very can of worms on the next page, but at least he and johndoe19 tried to clear things up, so props for that.

Point being, the two of you are misunderstanding everything being said so badly that I have difficulty coming up with how to clarify this to you. There is a stark difference between understanding why someone is doing something (what we've been doing), and condoning their actions. I can understand why people who were born and raised in the Westboro Baptist Church thought picketing funerals was okay, that does not mean I am okay with it. Similarly, I can understand why Quinn and Riona are willing to throw Sage under the bus, even if I strongly disagree with it, and the rest of the stuff they are doing.
Yes and you are totally missing my point that Riona does not care about Sage, either as a friend or a sister.
 

ename144

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Riona 'defending' Sage at the end of the conversation is merely closing the door after tossing the grenade into the room. If Riona's behavior in that scene is your idea of caring about someone, I just don't know what to say.
In comparison to asking some guy who's already taking care of someone to keep on taking care of that person? Yes, Riona put more on the line for Sage with Heather than she did with the MC. If you find the latter confusing, you should absolutely find the former even more confusing.

And as I pointed out earlier, Riona always had the option to say nothing. Heather had no power over her, nothing compelled her to answer Heather's bitching, that's all Heather was doing, complaining. She say's so herself.
Unlike Quinn, Riona understands unintended consequences can happen. If she lets Heather continue her line of reasoning, she might realize that Quinn could be the one who needs the money, not the HOTs. So rather than wait for that to happen, she cuts it off by giving Heather something new to bitch about: Sage.

That's what planning two moves ahead actually looks like.
 

felicemastronzo

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I applaud the effort, I really do, but I question whether features like this are really more important uses of time than the actual story of the game and all the various paths.

the impression is that it is all "gym" for himself, to improve features that he had already used or that, guilty, he had not yet implemented (like in the last chapter the ability to move from one room to another quickly).

evidently the hardware improvement is leaving him time to improve in other aspects, which will then become the standard in the next game (even if the technology changes so fast that it could be wasted time)

as for the plot, I believe and hope it is quite defined, without the need to work on it particularly now, halfway through the work
 
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