VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DarkKiller]

I HATE ALL OF YOU

JILL IS PERFECT

 

[Lightaces]

That would be some shit, though, if DPC uses the arrows as an Easter Egg in Episode 8 like they were some NES cheat code.

UP, LEFT, LEFT, DOWN, RIGHT, RIGHT, DOWN and then you get a threesome scene with KRJ and Sally.

That would have been an awesome part to have in the HOT's sauna at the HOT party in the last episode!

 

[DavDR]

It seems like the final stretch to the release is taking its usual toll.

Around this time every release the thread starts eating itself.

All that’s left is for a certain mod to swoop in and start arbitrarily banning people. I’d invoke said mod’s name to complete the cycle, but I’m just too fucking scared.



So mmf for the win, amirite?

Yup, happens every time

 

[hyfka]

I don't know why people think Jill is the best waifu, she's barely Top 5.

 

[DanThaMan]

I don't know why people think Jill is the best waifu, she's barely Top 5.

Ikr, imagine people having their own opinions

 

[Darkwen]

Ikr, imagine people having their own opinions

Wait whaattt people have their own opinions has the world gone mad

 

[Heycock]

Funny thing. Yesteday i had a nightmare. Badik update was released and it was awfull. I am not kidding this truely happened. You know why i felt in the dream it was awfull?. All scenes were about Jill holding hands and stuff.

 

[Nacht13]

No, Bella is the best, she's the highlight for me at least. So close to release time.... Am I doing this right?

 

[hyfka]

No, Bella is the best, she's the highlight for me at least. So close to release time.... Am I doing this right?

Yes, good job. I haven't checked the thread for months, come back and someone is sperging out over someone else not praising Jill, of course you make fun of that.

 

[shazba]

I don't know why people think Jill is the best waifu, she's barely Top 5.

Ikr, imagine people having their own opinions

Wait whaattt people have their own opinions has the world gone mad

Don't worry, we're are working on resolving that, one porn thread at a time. Eventually all will agree, the only girl in this game that matters is the true queen:

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Funny thing. Yesteday i had a nightmare. Badik update was released and it was awfull. I am not kidding this truely happened. You know why i felt in the dream it was awfull?. All scenes were about Jill holding hands and stuff.

I don't wanna be judgemental or anything but maybe some diverse hobbies are called for?

No, Bella is the best, she's the highlight for me at least. So close to release time.... Am I doing this right?

Yes, good job. I haven't checked the thread for months, come back and someone is sperging out over someone else not praising Jill, of course you make fun of that.

Not offensive enough. It's too passive just stating who you like, you need to put the boot into someone else's crush, and twist the knife a bit, like:

"I fucking hate Maya, she told me she had a boyfriend after telling me I had to 100% honest. That fucking hypocrite!!!"​

 

[Nacht13]

Yes, good job. I haven't checked the thread for months, come back and someone is sperging out over someone else not praising Jill, of course you make fun of that.

It just seems like low hanging fruit, I mean I like Jill but Bella is in the game soooo.... But yeah, you know Dr. Pink made a real good ass game when you see these kinds of fights prop up unironically .

 

[thorin0815]

Funny thing. Yesteday i had a nightmare. Badik update was released and it was awfull. I am not kidding this truely happened. You know why i felt in the dream it was awfull?. All scenes were about Jill holding hands and stuff.

Good thing it was just a dream, otherwise some people would probably pass out from a dopamine overdose.

 

[Lightaces]

Ackchyually "Slow" refers to anal. Jill will be the first one among main Lis fucked in the ass and therefore she "Wins" by the end of the season 2. There.

Perhaps you are suggesting Jill is looking for A Loophole?

 

[Ilhares]

So mmf for the win, amirite?

Hah! No, it wasn't like that, just swapping beds every 30-60 minutes. I do miss the energy of my youth. It was less tag-team and more subject/observer, like when Rio or Cam start spying on each other getting some - but without the veiled attempt at remaining hidden.

Though to be fair, if she'd been down for it, I'd have been willing to give the Eiffel Tower a try. I'm open to a lot of variation.

 

[Heycock]

I don't wanna be judgemental or anything but maybe some diverse hobbies are called for?

Nah, i am ok. This weak more of my hobbie time went into killing nazis anyway.

"I fucking hate Maya, she told me she had a boyfriend after telling me I had to 100$ honest. That fucking hypocrite!!!"

Ok, that's it. You wanna fight?

 

[ChipLecsap]

You've mistaken her with Josy.

Oh Boy you did it now . You Wish ! she would be like Josy . I know it sad that Josy has every good quality Jill had , but she lacks any negativity that Jill has.
She is as Hot, or Even Hotter and Cuter than Jill.
More confident, not naive , Tybalt would not be able pull the same shit on her . She is smarter. She is into Girls and Boys. She is adorable, yet playful , love the Sex with the MC. Willing to Share her Girlfriend with MC, Want to please him. She is not socially illiterate. Easily making friends , and capable to sand up for herself.
The only quality Jill has over her is that she is Rich which is something that only important to someone like Tybalt, who would actually not care about her if she would not be a Royce. He would look at her as a lesser human being then himself . .

She is simply a Better Jill .

so, Kindly :

 

[Heycock]

She is simply a Better Jill .

I was so close to tag you and say, "Go for him".

 

[DavDR]

Don't worry, we're are working on resolving that, one porn thread at a time. Eventually all will agree, the only girl in this game that matters is the true queen:

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I don't wanna be judgemental or anything but maybe some diverse hobbies are called for?


Not offensive enough. It's too passive just stating who you like, you need to put the boot into someone else's crush, and twist the knife a bit, like:

"I fucking hate Maya, she told me she had a boyfriend after telling me I had to 100% honest. That fucking hypocrite!!!"​

Wow that could trigger Felice into abandoning the KRJ no bashing pledge, at least I hope it will.

 

[thorin0815]

trying my best to avoid Quinn, a mediocre model with a trashy hair style and even trashier annoying character

But ... but ... but you can fuck her butt.

 

[ename144]

I'll take the exact opposite position and say that the people who are "delving deeper into her motivations" are missing out on a large part of the story because they are too busy desperately searching for excuses for Quinn's horrible behaviour. The most common of which is framing her as a sympathetic victim of circumstance because she came from a broken home, which works because the knee-jerk reaction to hearing that someone had a hard childhood is to view them with pity and sympathy.



Yeah that's the stuff I'm talking about right there.



Dude... we've seen her slap Riona across the face, we've seen her tell Riona that she's too stupid to pass college on her own in order to keep whoring her out, and we've seen her ridicule Riona's fears of being stalked when Riona came to her for help. How can you possibly think that Quinn's actions are to protect Riona?

Quinn betrays people who are dumb enough to trust her. That's an ongoing theme in the game, and a core aspect of her character. Quinn betrayed Tommy in order to try to sell drugs to the preps. She betrayed Sage in order to whore out the HOTs and use them as an opportunity to sell drugs. Quinn will tell you that Camilla was the one in the glory hole (if you took that route), even though Camilla only agreed to work for Quinn if she was anonymous. One of the very first things Quinn does in the game is blackmail the MC into stripping naked under threat of screaming for help and calling him a pervert, and when he complies, she not only breaks her word but also pushes him out into the streets naked. She's been betraying people the entire game. Often just for the fun of it, which is something she has flat out told us in the first episode.

Hurting the people she likes in order to control or punish them is another well established aspect of Quinn's character. Quinn tasered the MC in the throat until he passed out, and she will knee him in the balls if he refuses her sexual advances. So her slapping Riona is par for the course. But somehow you are trying to spin things so Quinn striking Riona is an example of Quinn protecting Riona? That's ridiculous. Riona was the one trying to protect Quinn, by telling her not to bring in Maya and Mona. And she was right. Quinn will now be under scrutiny from Sage because of what happened with Maya and Mona, which is going to make things real hard to pay off their drug debt. Which is an even larger problem now that Quinn managed to lose her last pickup.

We don't need to know every single detail of Quinn's life to know what kind of a person she is, because she's already demonstrated that quite well. Quinn is trash. She is the trashiest character since Marjory from Fraggle Rock. Actually... that's unfair to Marjory, as although she was a literal trash heap, she was a kind soul who helped those in need. Quinn is the exact opposite of that, which actually makes her trashier than a talking trash heap. Tommy was worried about Josy joining the HOTs, and Quinn used that as an opportunity to tease him instead of reassuring him by offering to look out for Josy. Maya went to Quinn for help with tuition, and Quinn lied to her and tormented her for her own amusement. And we've already talked about how Quinn takes advantage of Riona's vulnerabilities.

There is no hidden backstory that could possibly justify Quinn's treatment of others in this game. Her personality is very clearly established already. What exactly are you waiting to see? Are you expecting to learn that some supervillain is magically forcing Quinn to treat every character in the game like shit?

Delving deeper into a character requires some sort of evidence from the game that will support you arguments. You can't just say that your interpretations are equally valid because the game isn't over yet so the author could still pull any number of plot twists out of his ass. Imagine that there were two people who see an animal that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. One guy says that it's clearly a duck, and the other guy says that we can't be sure because we haven't seen if it swims like a duck yet so there's still a chance that it could be a giraffe. Would you say that those are equally valid interpretations? I wouldn't.

As you'll see momentarily, I see more nuance in Quinn's actions than you do; she may have the potential to change, she just hasn't shown any sign of actually changing thus far. Nonetheless I am compelled to support you purely on the basis of the Fraggle Rock reference!

Sometimes I wonder if the people who are against Quinn have even seen this shit, I mean I've literally never had a discussion with someone who dislikes Quinn about the reason she doesn't like kissing, or the reason she doesn't stay over at other people's rooms, or anything that is really personal or interesting to her character. What does someone who dislikes Quinn think about those facets of her character? How do they affect or reflect on her motivations? I don't know. All I keep hearing about is how Quinn is a big evil pimp gurl who slap Riona for no reason I guess, and if you even try to figure out why with the information you have then people get angry

Fair enough.

Personally, I think Quinn craves feeling in control of the situation at all times. She pays lip service to people in positions of nominal authority, but she won't let them interrupt her agenda and she clearly considers her own judgement superior. Even the people Quinn seems to like (such as Riona, Tommy, or the right sort of MC) are treated more like children than peers. Basically, she's an extreme narcissist.

To me, Quinn's reluctance to kiss is one of the less interesting manifestations of this phenomenon. It's a bit cliche to say love is a weakness, but I think that's how Quinn sees it: a boyfriend is someone who might cause her to do something against her own interest, whereas a casual boy toy is harmless (or even a symbol of her prowess). So Quinn always makes it clear that anyone she's fooling around with is the latter.

Quinn's stubborn insistence on her own rectitude is the more interesting aspect of her character, IMHO. Consider the scene where Tommy visits her at the end of Episode 7. He wants her to apologize for ditching the DIKs at the Hell Week party and she refuses. Why? It would mollify him so he'd be far easier to control going forward, and we know Quinn has no trouble lying to people's face. So why stonewall Tommy like that?

The simple answer is that she thinks admitting to a mistake would be a sign of weakness so she must insist she was right - even to the point of absurdity. Perhaps she's even begun to believe the hype herself and genuinely thinks she's infallible. Either way, apologizing would undermine her reputation and thus cannot happen.

But I think there's more to it than that; I think Quinn is terrified of what it would mean NOT to be in control of the situation. Back in Episode 2 Josy explained she'd tied up so much of her hopes and dreams into getting into B&R that is was devastating when it looked like she was rejected. I think something similar has happened with Quinn.

I think the way a young Quinn dealt with growing up in a drug den was promising herself that she wouldn't be one of the "losers." She wouldn't be one of the sheep who live boring lives, or one the 'pigs' enforcing that life. She wouldn't be one of the burnouts drugging themselves into oblivion. She wouldn't be one of the expendable small fry that come and go without anyone noticing. Quinn told herself she was going to be to be one of the movers and shakers, a real criminal mastermind.

That's why she reacted so badly when Riona suggested scaling back. That's why she shows no interest in a CHICK MC. And that's why she can't just admit she shouldn't have ditched the DIKs. The problem isn't admitting she made a mistake, it's admitting that her entire criminal empire is a bust and she has no idea how to fix it. Quinn is just psychologically incapable of handling that truth at the moment.

That's how I see it, anyway. Your mileage clearly varies.

If the Bella date next episode is somehow related to the Jill storyline with Tybalt and they end up going to a date just to watch over the third Jill/Tybalt date, it's going to be one of the dumbest things ever. Like we are roughly at the halfway mark of the storyline and Bella's storyline is still dependant on the Jill storyline. It's about time DPC splits them up and maybe Jill can become more interesting and grow as a character if she interacts with more than 3 other characters.

I disagree. Why can't Bella and the MC's date serve double duty? Just because it lets DPC combine assets with Jill's story doesn't automatically mean it's a bad idea. It's not like the Hangout with Bella in Episode 7 was ruined just because it grew out of the doubles tennis match with Jill. What Bella and the MC discuss while watching Jill, and what they do after Jill leaves, is what matters.

In the end, the question is whether the opportunity advances the relationship between Bella and the MC. If it can do so then it will serve its purpose. If it can do that while ALSO advancing the MC's relationship with Jill, so much the better. Obviously this will come down to execution, but when isn't that the case?

I also disagree that Bella's storyline is dependent on Jill's. Bella clearly has her own storyline relating to her mysterious marriage. Jill is probably involved in that storyline at some level, but I doubt she will be a central figure in it. Now I agree it would be great to finally get some answers on that mystery, but I very much doubt we'd get those during a date whether or not Jill's blackmail plot is involved.

I think I missed this scene can you tell me in which episode it happened?

I think that's referring to the scene in Quinn's room if the MC stays with Sage in Episode 4.

Spoiler: Classic Quinn Hospitality

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I see the theme of family more as a means to give a background, to justify certain behaviours: MC eternal orphan, the others all insecure children of families with problems, childhood traumas etc

let's take Maya as an example, where the family issue is supposed to be central, but in the end is it really? it seems to me that it's addressed purely as an economic problem, we have to find a way for her to have money for college, she thinks to pay it back by getting the free tuition, MC thinks he can help her by giving her the money from the inheritance, Sage we don't know yet but I think she will try to act on the loan anyway.

the idea to make Patrick see reason, to reunite Maya's family has never been undertaken and has been abandoned at the start.

You're presuming that freeing Maya from Patrick's ultimatum would wrap up Maya's family story. The way Maya broke down at the sight of Josy's reconciliation with Pete in Episode 5 suggests otherwise. Maya must be free to live her own life , but that's just the first step. Her family is still important to her and that won't be as easily solved.

That's my guess, anyway. BaDIK is clearly committed to long-term story development. It sucks when we have to wait 7 months between updates and there's no guarantee it will eventually stick the landing. But to paraphrase Maya, it would be pretty fucking awesome if it does work out.