VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Olsens.M]

That's been discussed.

In the US Maya wouldn't have a problem. She doesn't need a co-signer for a loan because the government is the co-signer. If her Dad took a loan for her college then she just needs to drop out, the bank will claw back the loan when it's not used for tuition, Maya has no debt for life, her Father has no leverage on her. Then Maya can take out a government loan and continue her education and her life.

It's been pointed out repeatedly that there is no loan problem. Maybe Maya is just really stupid and doesn't realize it. So then she can find out, with just a little effort. How?

She could google it on her phone. If she can't afford internet for her phone she could go to the library and look it up, or use one of their computers.

She could ask any teacher.

She could ask her girlfriend, who is a Business Major and in any sane, competently written universe, would surely know.

I wrote all that out just to show that it is impossible for Maya's Father to force her to stop dating someone with the threat of withholding any help with her college cost in any real world scenario. And no, her Father's church isn't going to loan her the money, in the US that's regulated. If that was the case she just has to walk away, she can't be held liable for the debt. If a church or any other organization is giving her money for college it's a scholarship, and that doesn't have to be repaid.

So we can't use the realworld situation as a baseline. Maya lives in Duckburg and the rules of the universe are different there.

So where does that leave us?

It leave's us with Maya, a pathetic, useless character who is perpetually in need of a savior. If you want to be Maya's savior go to it, enjoy yourself. But not everyone wants that, even though we are forced to endure it, Maya just won't go away and let other people enjoy the rest of the game.

Now you're playing victim and retorting my words. I clearly said we all like to help others, please read first and try to understand and empathize with the other. I know, I'm not a virtual blonde girl but c'mon put some effort.



Stop with the nonsense, please. Everybody has helped someone in need at least once if not hundreds of times. Everybody. You feel special for helping a virtual waifu in a game or what? C'mon man

Being a volunteer firefighter is selfless not selfish. Transactional love is selfish instead. I'll gladly explain to you what I was trying to say:

Some guys do X and expect Y in return, so the way they work is this: they fix her car or act like her butler or chauffeur and expect the girl to love them back as "payment" for their efforts. So, what they are trying to do is to exchange "help" to obtain love. That's why the need for the eternal damsel in distress, the "help" has to go on and on to receive the "love". This is called "codependency" in psychology, and it needs a giver and a taker. Is quite common.

Healthy couples are different. They love, not trade. They are more balanced. One may need extra support sometimes but do not follow the White Knight/Princess dynamic all the time. See the difference?

Now, I'm not saying all Maya fans are like this. Nothing like that, so don't go that way. Cheers

I really love people who think outside the box. Thanks guys. We are not hating, we are pointing out the character flaws in our point of view or even story flaws, Not everyone has to see things like we do, that doesn't mean we won't talk about it. Whatever we say here won't change anything that is already written by DPC, that doesn't mean we won't say "what if..."
When we are not loving everything a dev may have done, people want to throw rock at us like if we are hurting their family lol.
I am sorry though for quoting you both, I just loved what you wrote. <3

 

[godkingxerxes]

You know if Tybalt hooked up with you know who, it'll solve all the problems.

No more tuition because Tybalt has stacks on stacks.

No more horrible skin, because Tybalt is fresh and won't tolerate someone not being fresh.

And no more Josy in prison, she'll be free to join the MC and Jill

 

[mindern]

That's been discussed.

In the US Maya wouldn't have a problem. She doesn't need a co-signer for a loan because the government is the co-signer. If her Dad took a loan for her college then she just needs to drop out, the bank will claw back the loan when it's not used for tuition, Maya has no debt for life, her Father has no leverage on her. Then Maya can take out a government loan and continue her education and her life.

It's been pointed out repeatedly that there is no loan problem. Maybe Maya is just really stupid and doesn't realize it. So then she can find out, with just a little effort. How?

She could google it on her phone. If she can't afford internet for her phone she could go to the library and look it up, or use one of their computers.

She could ask any teacher.

She could ask her girlfriend, who is a Business Major and in any sane, competently written universe, would surely know.

I wrote all that out just to show that it is impossible for Maya's Father to force her to stop dating someone with the threat of withholding any help with her college cost in any real world scenario. And no, her Father's church isn't going to loan her the money, in the US that's regulated. If that was the case she just has to walk away, she can't be held liable for the debt. If a church or any other organization is giving her money for college it's a scholarship, and that doesn't have to be repaid.

So we can't use the realworld situation as a baseline. Maya lives in Duckburg and the rules of the universe are different there.

So where does that leave us?

It leave's us with Maya, a pathetic, useless character who is perpetually in need of a savior. If you want to be Maya's savior go to it, enjoy yourself. But not everyone wants that, even though we are forced to endure it, Maya just won't go away and let other people enjoy the rest of the game.

Honestly. I’m just impressed by you now.

ive been on the Internet a long time and never have I seen someone so damn sure they know literally everything about a topic as you are when in comes to every single individual countries laws regarding something as broad as “loans”. You have just singlehanded declared what’s going on in this game 100% impossible.

Why are you even here? Why aren’t you earning millions brokering transactions across the globe? You have a skill that’s highly sought after and you’re using it to debate the realities of a porn game?

Get off here, go make your fortune. Teach the world how finance works.

or option B is you’re talking out your ass, you know as much about this topic as everyone else but your blind arrogance won’t let you even entertain the idea of being anything less than infallible.

 

[Olsens.M]

Yeah... that's the real problem here... you don't even realise it ! Or better yet you don't even wanna realise it what's the difference... View attachment 1566371

FYI : I'm not a Maya fan... I'm not a fan of ANYONE in particualar ! Strange huh ?

Welp smarts don't come automatically with college degree...

I mean, You came with personal attacks after I mentioned, answering to another guy, I had depression. I am deffo not smart, you are. After all, that is what the "smarts" do. Start with personal attacks when they lack arguments. First you tried by saying I was a Sad Sack of shit for having depression, and now trying to say I am not smart even after having college degree.
I am pretty sure you'd be surprised I also have PhDs

 

[DavDR]

Honestly. I’m just impressed by you now.

ive been on the Internet a long time and never have I seen someone so damn sure they know literally everything about a topic as you are when in comes to every single individual countries laws regarding something as broad as “loans”. You have just singlehanded declared what’s going on in this game 100% impossible.

Why are you even here? Why aren’t you earning millions brokering transactions across the globe? You have a skill that’s highly sought after and you’re using it to debate the realities of a porn game?

Get off here, go make your fortune. Teach the world how finance works.

or option B is you’re talking out your ass, you know as much about this topic as everyone else but your blind arrogance won’t let you even entertain the idea of being anything less than infallible.

Maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension, in the post that you sighted above I was answering another post that suggested we use US law as a baseline. That's just what I did.

 

[Olsens.M]

Honestly. I’m just impressed by you now.

ive been on the Internet a long time and never have I seen someone so damn sure they know literally everything about a topic as you are when in comes to every single individual countries laws regarding something as broad as “loans”. You have just singlehanded declared what’s going on in this game 100% impossible.

Why are you even here? Why aren’t you earning millions brokering transactions across the globe? You have a skill that’s highly sought after and you’re using it to debate the realities of a porn game?

Get off here, go make your fortune. Teach the world how finance works.

or option B is you’re talking out your ass, you know as much about this topic as everyone else but your blind arrogance won’t let you even entertain the idea of being anything less than infallible.

Do you even know what they are talking about? The guy he answered is talking specifically about loans in the US, and he is replying if it was based on how it happens in the US, most of things that happens in the game wouldn't happen. He is specifically talking about ONE country. Why are you saying he is so damn sure about how it goes for every single individual countries laws? why are you making it sound like he is talking about every other country outside US when he is specifically talking about US only?

So if someone happens to know about one subject they should be rich, just for expressing his opinion about it?
Also, he was very polite on his reply to another dude, why you sound so butthurt about it when he wasn't even replying to you?
He even said that nothing has to work in the game like it does in real life lol.
The guy can't give his opinion anymore or he is gonna be attacked now. So many people full of anger. And I am the one spreading hatred.

 

[DavDR]

Do you even know what they are talking about? The guy he answered is talking specifically about loans in the US, and he is replying if it was based on how it happens in the US, most of things that happens in the game wouldn't happen. He is specifically talking about ONE country. Why are you saying he is so damn sure about how it goes for every single individual countries laws? why are you making it sound like he is talking about every other country outside US when he is specifically talking about US only?

So if someone happens to know about one subject they should be rich, just for expressing his opinion about it?
Also, he was very polite on his reply to another dude, why you sound so butthurt about it when he wasn't even replying to you?
He even said that nothing has to work in the game like it does in real life lol.
The guy can't give his opinion anymore or he is gonna be attacked now. So many people full of anger. And I am the one spreading hatred.

Don't worry, it's just a typical Maya fan

 

[sixart]

I was a Sad Sack of shit for having depression

That's not the reason for it... see ? Lack of smarts... even if you have PhD(s) which makes it so much worse to twist and turn someones intensions or doings you just be you !

And I am the one spreading hatred.

Nope you are just one of them... and your shifts won't fool anyone... any decent being can do right... but even if they go wrong they just admit it and try to not make the same mistakes again Hopey those PhDs of yours will help to decipher this message

 

[mindern]

Maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension, in the post that you sighted above I was answering another post that suggested we use US law as a baseline. That's just what I did.

They said as a baseline then agreed with you this world is unique but you couldn’t let it go because true to form you had to disagree. Throughout this clusterfuck of a few days talking about this loan issue all you’ve done is sit there and go “nah you’re wrong because X”.

Where X is you spouting your understanding about international law like it’s fact. Bringing reality into fiction not to better understand it but as a stick to disagree with people. To be contrary.

Thing is, you actually agree with me on this whole thing which is this story doesn’t take place in any country on earth. It has its own made up laws and any discussion about how they’re applied is moot. I said it days ago. You said it earlier. So why are you still disagreeing with people? You said it yourself it’s a free for all on this.

You perpetuate this inane monstrosity of a discussion because despite admitting it’s probably a made up legal system you still defend your fucking imagined understanding of said made up legal system (one it’s creator hasn’t even put to paper) by shooting down other peoples opinions. How can anyone be wrong, how can anything be impossible if you’ve established yourself this takes place in a legal system that can do whatever the fuck it likes because it was dreamt up by some porn monger.

Oh it can’t be a loan from her church that’s impossible in this fictional legal system. Says who? You? Can’t be based on the USA because… just cus. You disagree for absolutely no reason other than to shut people up who don’t imagine this scenario like you do.

Granted you’re not the only one doing this but you’re the one being the biggest bell end about it. This entire discussion is pointless. We’ve all conjured up a way to reconcile this plot contrivance and that is how we see it in our mind. Nobody is right or wrong in this regard. It’s a plot element born of maybe 3 lines of dialogue. Exponentially more has been said on this topic here than DPC has ever even dreamed of.

We shouldn’t be shutting down other peoples opinions and citing reality as if it holds any sway in DPC-Land. If someone thinks this is a church loan. Aces. Tribal loan? Cool beans. Maybe swamp gas became sentient and started loaning out cash to bigots. Could be! Fun thought and it doesn’t need you citing international law, the legality of Native American money lending or the likelihood of rotting biological matter becoming sentient to be disproved.

Nobody is wrong, debating this is a waste of time because US law doesn’t extended to fictional porn game. Let’s all move the fuck on.

 

[varage]

They said as a baseline then agreed with you this world is unique but you couldn’t let it go because true to form you had to disagree. Throughout this clusterfuck of a few days talking about this loan issue all you’ve done is sit there and go “nah you’re wrong because X”.

Where X is you spouting your understanding about international law like it’s fact. Bringing reality into fiction not to better understand it but as a stick to disagree with people. To be contrary.

Thing is, you actually agree with me on this whole thing which is this story doesn’t take place in any country on earth. It has its own made up laws and any discussion about how they’re applied is moot. I said it days ago. You said it earlier. So why are you still disagreeing with people? You said it yourself it’s a free for all on this.

You perpetuate this inane monstrosity of a discussion because despite admitting it’s probably a made up legal system you still defend your fucking imagined understanding of said made up legal system (one it’s creator hasn’t even put to paper) by shooting down other peoples opinions. How can anyone be wrong, how can anything be impossible if you’ve established yourself this takes place in a legal system that can do whatever the fuck it likes because it was dreamt up by some porn monger.

Oh it can’t be a loan from her church that’s impossible in this fictional legal system. Says who? You? Can’t be based on the USA because… just cus. You disagree for absolutely no reason other than to shut people up who don’t imagine this scenario like you do.

Granted you’re not the only one doing this but you’re the one being the biggest bell end about it. This entire discussion is pointless. We’ve all conjured up a way to reconcile this plot contrivance and that is how we see it in our mind. Nobody is right or wrong in this regard. It’s a plot element born of maybe 3 lines of dialogue. Exponentially more has been said on this topic here than DPC has ever even dreamed of.

We shouldn’t be shutting down other peoples opinions and citing reality as if it holds any sway in DPC-Land. If someone thinks this is a church loan. Aces. Tribal loan? Cool beans. Maybe swamp gas became sentient and started loaning out cash to bigots. Could be! Fun thought and it doesn’t need you citing international law, the legality of Native American money lending or the likelihood of rotting biological matter becoming sentient to be disproved.

Nobody is wrong, debating this is a waste of time because US law doesn’t extended to fictional porn game. Let’s all move the fuck on.

Well, if we are being real, I heard it was a loan from Jesus himself to turn her into a good Christian girl. But he's keeping that on the downlow.

 

[Olsens.M]

That's not the reason for it... see ? Lack of smarts... even if you have PhD(s) which makes it so much worse to twist and turn someones intensions or doings you just be you !

Nope you are just one of them... and your shifts won't fool anyone... any decent being can do right... but even if they go wrong they just admit it and try to not make the same mistakes again Hopey those PhDs of yours will help to decipher this message

it doesn't I am too dumb to understand you with all those emotes. Again, we can do this all day, I won't decipher your messages and I will still play with you to bring the "smarts" out of you. Keep it coming, with all your smart remarks, trying to offend my intelect and whatever you feel like. I am well known for bring the worst out of people. Lets "hopey" I get what "EI" Wants. Show me how is it being a Maya fan, and call other people hater, and start spreading hate at the same time

 

[DavDR]

They said as a baseline then agreed with you this world is unique but you couldn’t let it go because true to form you had to disagree. Throughout this clusterfuck of a few days talking about this loan issue all you’ve done is sit there and go “nah you’re wrong because X”.

Where X is you spouting your understanding about international law like it’s fact. Bringing reality into fiction not to better understand it but as a stick to disagree with people. To be contrary.

Thing is, you actually agree with me on this whole thing which is this story doesn’t take place in any country on earth. It has its own made up laws and any discussion about how they’re applied is moot. I said it days ago. You said it earlier. So why are you still disagreeing with people? You said it yourself it’s a free for all on this.

You perpetuate this inane monstrosity of a discussion because despite admitting it’s probably a made up legal system you still defend your fucking imagined understanding of said made up legal system (one it’s creator hasn’t even put to paper) by shooting down other peoples opinions. How can anyone be wrong, how can anything be impossible if you’ve established yourself this takes place in a legal system that can do whatever the fuck it likes because it was dreamt up by some porn monger.

Oh it can’t be a loan from her church that’s impossible in this fictional legal system. Says who? You? Can’t be based on the USA because… just cus. You disagree for absolutely no reason other than to shut people up who don’t imagine this scenario like you do.

Granted you’re not the only one doing this but you’re the one being the biggest bell end about it. This entire discussion is pointless. We’ve all conjured up a way to reconcile this plot contrivance and that is how we see it in our mind. Nobody is right or wrong in this regard. It’s a plot element born of maybe 3 lines of dialogue. Exponentially more has been said on this topic here than DPC has ever even dreamed of.

We shouldn’t be shutting down other peoples opinions and citing reality as if it holds any sway in DPC-Land. If someone thinks this is a church loan. Aces. Tribal loan? Cool beans. Maybe swamp gas became sentient and started loaning out cash to bigots. Could be! Fun thought and it doesn’t need you citing international law, the legality of Native American money lending or the likelihood of rotting biological matter becoming sentient to be disproved.

Nobody is wrong, debating this is a waste of time because US law doesn’t extended to fictional porn game. Let’s all move the fuck on.

Do you read English? Anyway I'm done with your insane interpretations of what I have clearly written down. Don't bother to respond, I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

That's not the reason for it... see ? Lack of smarts... even if you have PhD(s) which makes it so much worse to twist and turn someones intensions or doings you just be you !

Nope you are just one of them... and your shifts won't fool anyone... any decent being can do right... but even if they go wrong they just admit it and try to not make the same mistakes again Hopey those PhDs of yours will help to decipher this message

His could be other matter but it's clear someone trying or pretend to be higher being by making jocks full of sarcasm.

While it's clear that someone cannot handel their felling that someone insulting their favourite LI.

Grow up , move on and don't attack personally if your intensions are not for jocks.

 

[ander77777777777777777777]

have a question ? this game can be a cuckold slave or cuckold loser?

 

[wakkawalla]

have a question ? this game can be a cuckold slave or cuckold loser?

no, you can only fill those roles in this thread.

 

[sixart]

... stuff

Okay you are running around in circles so have fun with it !

... stuff

Huh ? LI ???

You are more lost than your pal... you make quite the pair ! Lemme guess... you have PhD(s) too right ?! Same shit again... have fun running in circles with your pal !

I'm done with this bullshit

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

I know what you meant. I has been called white knight. And for sure i know what a codependent relationship is. Is true its not healthy. I think however some people use the concept to justify their own indiference. If you don't, its ok, i am sorry.

About Maya, the good thing of helping her is that you help her to get their studies, and since that is a tool, it kinda make her less dependent.

Also, helping others is part of classic narrative, is what "heros" does. So forget Maya for a second. I saw the notion than to be helpless, to be static needing to be help, its someway bad writing. Than good writing demands character growing and taking their own destiny in their hands... but I dont see that being the case. I think a good chunk of literature works on different premises.

You know very well, That i don't like maya a bit but I like the idea of helping but thing could forge a good friendship between mc and maya because at this point to me in my pov.

There friendship is hallow and can do better !

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

Okay you are running around in circles so have fun with it !

Huh ? LI ???

You are more lost than your pal... you make quite the pair ! Lemme guess... you have PhD(s) too right ?! Same shit again... have fun running in circles with your pal !

I'm done with this bullshit

Ask someone else here the meaning of that. Such a waist ! Try better in the matter of insulting me.

 

[varage]

no, you can only fill those roles in this thread.

Well technically you can go virgin roat and be a loser not a cockold doe.

 

[Olsens.M]

Okay you are running around in circles so have fun with it !

Huh ? LI ???

You are more lost than your pal... you make quite the pair ! Lemme guess... you have PhD(s) too right ?! Same shit again... have fun running in circles with your pal !

I'm done with this bullshit

Running in circles, saying the same stuff over and over again is what I've been doing since start, you just decided to be part of it, so lets have fun together.
If you don't get triggered to try and offend me, what's the point of it? You giving up already? I expected more from you lol. You even noticed my switches, I thought we were having something special back there