VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[sixart]

We all know that no one does that unless they're real interested in that girl.

Not necessarily... but sure thing is that it does not matter what Fuckface OR you as the player thinks about this... the judgement is solely in Jills hands... which we know now what verdict produces As long as folks don't grasp this simple thing this topic will have an infinite merry-go-rounds of course argument all the time from Fuckface' or the players perspective

 

[Doorknocker]

If it was a friend, it wouldnt make a difference to me if its a guy or a girl, if he or she asks for my help, I would also cancel everything else and go over there. And if a girl I date would have a problem with that, I'd know that I picked the wrong girl.

Riiiiiiiight... if a girl had a cold and wanted you to stay with her to pamper her, gender wouldn't be a factor. Or sexual attraction. Or whether you're banging or not. Sure, sure. Totally believeable. And we'll ignore the fact that this option is only available if you're on the Sage path, ie, you're banging. Totally believeable that it's purely platonic...

Edit: Also, hold up. How many times have you gone over to a platonic friend's place and pampered them when they had a cold? Not the hospital. Not a car accident. Not some deathly ailment. A damn cold. If the answer's zero, then there's the real answer.

 

[sixart]

actually, I am curious too, bruh, @dalli_x

Expect the worst... oh wait ! Is this a bad thing at all ?

 

[vogelbeest]

the LIs are characters in the story and it's normal for them to stick around until the very last chapters, but what does that have to do with their relationship with MC?

they are different relationships that follow different dynamics.
Sage until she finally broke up with Chad kept pushing MC away emotionally and I don't think she is still 100% convinced.
Bella only recently decided to become aware of her feelings and of the problems she has to face, at the end of the day Mc was essentially a problem for her, a temptation she could not resist to
Maya when she will be free from blackmail she will finally be able to think seriously about what her heart is telling her, but for now we know that her first concern, rightly, is that one.

why should we homogenize them all? no one loves equally (not even parents with children), why should they?

If you see any LI having no relationship at all to MC you fail to understand the meaning of Love Interest....
Even when not on their path(s) there's still a relationship, in BaDik it's friend or lover, no relationshp at all simply isn't an option.

I never said they follow the same dynamic, you're simply giving more facts or impressions tied to their storylines, in essence it doesn't change anything i said, it may ad something but it's nothing that would negate or be in conflict with what i've written.

I don't see any homogenising, i did not mention it and i don't know where you got the idea from, but it's nowhere in my text.

 

[TimHawk]

Riiiiiiiight... if a girl had a cold and wanted you to stay with her to pamper her, gender wouldn't be a factor. Or sexual attraction. Or whether you're banging or not. Sure, sure. Totally believeable. And we'll ignore the fact that this option is only available if you're on the Sage path, ie, you're banging. Totally believeable that it's purely platonic...

Reading disorder is treatable, you know ? Lets try again : if a FRIEND asks for my help, the gender wouldnt matter, I would go and try to help. Why he or she asks me for help is not my concern, if he/she consider it important enough, so do I. No idea how old you are, but maybe loyalty is something you value more as you get older. If you would tell him or her to "toughen up" or that you dont care, thats fine, but you shouldnt assume everyone reacts like that.

 

[Doorknocker]

Reading disorder is treatable, you know ? Lets try again : if a FRIEND asks for my help, the gender wouldnt matter, I would go and try to help. Why he or she asks me for help is not my concern, if he/she consider it important enough, so do I. No idea how old you are, but maybe loyalty is something you value more as you get older. If you would tell him or her to "toughen up" or that you dont care, thats fine, but you shouldnt assume everyone reacts like that.

Ah, the blissful fantasy world of made up hypotheticals that don't line up facts or reality. Combine that with absurd ad hominum personal attacks and you have the quality bad faith arguments I've come to expect here. Let's go over some facts.

MC was with Sage when she sat out in the rain and caught her cold. MC also predicted that she'd catch a cold. Sage then caught a cold. It is only mandtory for MC to call Sage and get asked to pamper her while she has a cold if MC is on the Sage path (ie, they're banging).

I might put aside the fact that I've never even heard of anyone asking a FRIEND (do I need to bold it and underline it too?) to come over and pamper them when they have a cold. Again, that's really only something that might happen when there's interest for more there. And I'll point out the fact that if you turn Sage down as a LI in the first place, she aggressively pursues MC over and over again. Others have complained about how often she does this. It's pure denial to say that there are no implications or subtext in Sage's request if MC is not on her path. She very demonstrably wants MC. And the entire issue is easily avoidable in that case.

If MC is forced to make this choice, then again, they're banging. Pretending otherwise for the sake of bashing Jill is a very bad faith argument. I'll ask again, how many times have you been asked by a purely platonic friend to come over and pamper them when they have a cold?

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

Im intreasted how zoey will react to our MC having a gf/GFS lol. I think she exepts him to wait for her lol

 

[Tadpol]

Don't forget that during the date with Jill, the MC tells her about his life, the death of his mother. They then share a fairly intimate, romantic moment for the rest of the day.

(if I'm not mistaken, this is also what happens with Sage)

In fact it's not really the fact that we go to see Sage that blocks the road with Jill. It's not her who reacts like a selfish bitch, it's rather the fact that by going to see Sage, you don't experience a romantic and intimate moment with Jill which brings the two very much closer together.

Reasoning in terms of game, by going with Sage, we lose the opportunity to earn XP with Jill, and in the end, we miss this XP to level up.

 

[Doorknocker]

Don't forget that during the date with Jill, the MC tells her about his life, the death of his mother. They then share a fairly intimate, romantic moment for the rest of the day.

(if I'm not mistaken, this is also what happens with Sage)

In fact it's not really the fact that we go to see Sage that blocks the road with Jill. It's not her who reacts like a selfish bitch, it's rather the fact that by going to see Sage, you don't experience a romantic and intimate moment with Jill which brings the two very much closer together.

Reasoning in terms of game, by going with Sage, we lose the opportunity to earn XP with Jill, and in the end, we miss this XP to level up.

Excellent point.

 

[always86]

Yeah but DPC will mind this idea coz you can twist and turn this however you see fit it is still incest which means ban !

I think it sort of depends how long he’d have lived together on how ‘incesty’ it is. If they lived together for a year before he went to college, not really, if they lived together from when they were 10 and 12 then it certainly would be.

The only reason I think it would be interesting is it would give Josy her own drama. At the minute she has just been getting dragged along by Maya and has no plot of her own whatsoever.

i think Zoey won't be a catfight , if you remember how S2 ended you had the option to choose none of the girls , i think Zoey will be a LI for that option , you choose none of the girls Zoey come back and you can date her , i also think that depending on your choices in S3 Interlude that Zoey will either be a CHICK or a DIK your choices will affect how she acts with MC and everyone else ( i have saves of every path and i liked Zoey CHICK attitude ) , i also think new girls will be introduced as LI that is why that option to choose no one is there because Zoey and other LIs will be introduced in S3. And about Jill , something bad will probably happen to Jill if you choose Bella , which is why i will skip everything about Jill in Bella path and i will see Jill story in Jill path only, what i do is changing paths when a girl of that path shows up in the story and skip everything about that girl in other path.

I think Zoey is being reintroduced as a conflict on all relationship paths. Yes you’ll be able to bang on on ‘others’ but the other 5 all have existing relationships and friendships to one degree or another. Take Sage, she is cool not being in a relationship, she didn’t want one in the first place. Maya and Josy and together and friends with Jill. Jill is besties with Bella and close with Josy. Bella is an adult, she’s unlikely to make a scene on campus.

Zoe is completely external to that. She doesn’t have any friends (we know of) on campus, she doesn’t go to the school (yet), she has come back purely because she loves the MC (and she wasn’t good at surfing). I think the only reason for her to come back is to be a cat amongst the pigeons.

Yes, I agree possible things go poorly for Jill, but I think MC and Bella will ‘save’ her. I don’t think she’s going to collapse into a puddle. Fingers crossed for some threesomes!

 

[ChipLecsap]

but if I was the MC

See? What did I just say. . See it from Jill perspective. for her it's "Destiny".

and honestly, she require very little effort. Bella for example dump you because of Cathy's panties. Jill does not dump you because you fuck around. But you need to pick her in very opunity where you can, simple.

 

[sixart]

I think it sort of depends how long he’d have lived together on how ‘incesty’ it is

Nope This is incest... PERIOD ! ( don't try to find loopholes where are none ! )

If you wish this project to get thrown into the dumpster just carry on with such bullshits ! ( don't worry this is not the only case... Dalli and many others already theorizing in the same territory... which is a waste of time... DPC won't indulge in shits like these )

 

[deuxrayme]

I think it sort of depends how long he’d have lived together on how ‘incesty’ it is. If they lived together for a year before he went to college, not really, if they lived together from when they were 10 and 12 then it certainly would be.

From a legal standpoint, it matters immediately after the marriage between parents is on the books.

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

If Tomm

Nope This is incest... PERIOD ! ( don't try to find loopholes where are none ! )

If you wish this project to get thrown into the dumpster just carry on with such bullshits ! ( don't worry this is not the only case... Dalli and many others already theorizing in the same territory... which is a waste of time... DPC won't indulge in shits like these )

If they aren't biologicly brother and sister, its not incest.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Reasoning in terms of game, by going with Sage, we lose the opportunity to earn XP with Jill, and in the end, we miss this XP to level up.

this is like the best reasoning, or explanation.

 

[TimHawk]

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I'll leave the parts about the game as is, because that was not what I replied to in the first place. It was the general statement of

And if a guy went to girl's place to "help her" when she's just a little sick? Hello, no. It's completely unbelieveable to think that this wouldn't be taken as choosing another girl over you. Seriously, who actually does that in real life? "Oh, I caught a cold while in the rain. Come over and pamper me." We all know that no one does that unless they're real interested in that girl.

Now if you only help a person of the opposite gender if you have intentions that focus around a relationship or sex, thats just dandy and I believe you. Im saying I wouldnt, now that might just be 'completely unbelieveable' for you, but that doesnt change the fact.

This is whats happens : you get a call from friend, she asks for your help and you agree to help her. Then a girl pops up and asks you for a surprise date, now you're saying you would go back on your word and cancel on your friend, I say I wouldnt in a million years. That's all.

There is no right or wrong, but the assumption that its 'completely unbelieveable' that some people, and in my opinion the vast majority of people, would act differently than you, is just that : different.

 

[ChipLecsap]

This is whats happens : you get a call from friend, she asks for your help and you agree to help her. Then a girl pops up and asks you for a surprise date, now you're saying you would go back on your word and cancel on your friend, I say I wouldnt in a million years. That's all.

It's depend whether you want to Fuck that girl or not . and in the end of the day it is truly just about that.let's cut this "bros before hoes" bullshit, none believes that.
and to be honest, DPC could have been a real ass, and make it this to the deciding factor for both, not just for Jill. But it does not have negative effect for Sage.

 

[Doorknocker]

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Really? Blah? You're now completely ignoring everything I say? Wow, the cycle of bad faith arguments is complete. The goal posts have roamed so far, we can't even see them. The facts and context have been buried so deep, we forget they even existed. You have achieved COMPLETE DENIAL! Congratulations! Well done.

 

[TimHawk]

It's depend whether you want to Fuck that girl or not . and in the end of the day it is truly just about that.let's cut this "bros before hoes" bullshit, none believes that.
and to be honest, DPC could have been a real ass, and make it this to the deciding factor for both, not just for Jill. But it does not have negative effect for Sage.

Of course DPC put the decision there for a reason, and I have no problem with whatever people choose in game, I just reacted to the generalised statement, that nobody would help a friend of the opposite gender unless you wanna have sex with him or her. In game people on the Jill path would be mad to help Sage and vice versa. But to me in RL loyalty means something, and thats all I replied to.

 

[sixart]

If they aren't biologicly brother and sister, its not incest.

You REALLY should get more intel on this subject...

But to me in RL loyalty means something, and thats all I replied to.

Again... it's either Fuckface' or the players ( YOURS ) perspective... none of you considers Jills point of view So the ride in circles begins anew