VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ToshinRaizen]

1. Bella
2. Sage
3. Riona
4. Mel/Sarah? (edit: Nah, probably Maya, now that I think about it more)
5. JB
6. Heather
7. Probably the Vixen who was dancing with her tits out.

wow riona.... and heather? ... finally ( i always want to bang that chick )

 

[TimHawk]

Well, we have just completed 8 episodes out of probably 16. You seem to be saying that for the next 8 episodes there will be no chance of the MC changing his mind, no cheating, no sex with anyone other than his loved one for 8 fucking episodes. And only in the Alone route will there be any options to be with any others. Sorry, but I don't believe that for one nanosecond.

No, I'm saying it wont happen 5 minutes after the biggest choice in the game yet. There is no indication that the EP08 choice is final for the entire game, but I also dont believe that players who've just chosen a girl, will be able to stick their dick into Zoey in Ep09 or Ep10 for that matter.

Maybe there will be an end of Season 3 decision with a choice of equal consequences as at the end of Season 2.

Now, will there be a cheating MC in BaDIK ? We don't know yet, maybe thats where affinity will finally kick in and be meaningful.

But if you objectively look at how DPC set the decision and the consequences up, it leans towards no cheating.

Lets take an example, lets say you picked any girl but Sage, the following convo is forced.

sage "So, are we going back to being just friends, then? No...benefits?"
mc "Yeah. Are you ok with that?"

And, as you know, the MC lets every choice he didnt pick (except the MJ path) know, and thats forced too.

Finally, lets look at how the MC himself confirms his choice to himself, its always something along the lines of.

mc "She's the girl for me. I can feel it."

It seems to me, that there will be at least a decent amount of efford to make the relationship the MC has choosen work. And at least the door to LI jump seems to be closed as of now. Of course there are many other candidates to have sex with around B&R, and ... man I really dont know, there should be an option for players who want to go the relationship path and still fuck around to do so, but the way DPC set all of it up makes me doubt it's gonna be a given.

Maybe the girl you choose opens up a new or old rival girl ? A friend of Jill, Cathy returns on Bella path, Quinn for Sage and MJ has 2 girls build in by default, but it seems unlikely too.

I think, we're at a point in the game, where the big decisions will mostly be used to lock content and as long as there is an alternative choice to avoid the lock out of content, like 'others' in this case, it should promote the path/multiple saves system further.

Maybe 'others' can still lead to a main LI's ending down the line, as you said, we're at 50% right now, so 'others' could serve as the 'keep your options open but dont close the door just yet' option.

There are just soooooo many possibilities, we really need EP09 to get a better idea of what's up with the EP08 choice.

 

[TimHawk]

Things

Bro, by total accident, while looking smth up to reply to Walter, I found this :

"Others" if not pathMayaJosy and not (pathJill and not (not ep7_jill_lewd or affinity == "DIK" or ep8_jill_state == 0)):
        label ep8_alone_label:
        $ branchAlone = True
        if ep5_feelingsForMaya:
            mc "(I still have feelings for Maya, but since that's not an option...)"
        elif ep5_feelingsForJosy:
            mc "(I still have feelings for Josy, but since that's not an option...)"

Did you know it's used in the Ep08 decision conclusion ? Cuz I sure didnt.

 

[ename144]

Yeah, when you turn off your PC and realise you didn't really fuck any of them, it hurts.

Also, sex with some girls is mutually exclusive.


Why would you trade Michael Jackson in for two HOT babes!?


I feel really bad that I can't remember what his old avatar looks like - total mind blank!



Yep, the mc handles it well enough, either acknowledges they were too different (i.e. he's a DIK, she doesn't like DIKs), or he understands that he didn't pay her enough attention, 'cause ignoring the threat of a lawsuit and climbing up to her balcony to see her, and saving her from public humiliation by putting himself in the spotlight at the risk of his own humiliation, counts for shit - if he didn't ditch a sick Sage and go on her picnic, it means he didn't try hard enough....

Ahem.. sorry.. ranting again...

Anyway, if you select Jill and she dumps the mc, he goes on the "others" path:

mc: "It sucked and hurt, but it wasn't the end of the world."​

mc: "It meant I had to keep trying to find love."​

Not sure how many people got to play through that whole scene. Imagine putting all your eggs in the Jill basket, but not the actual picnic basket, only to have her turn you down after 8 episodes of blue balling!

Spoiler: Not amused...

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Technically, I don't think you can select Jill at the crossroads if you didn't go on the picnic with her. So she won't turn you down to your face. She'll just mutter some passive-aggressive comments about how things could be different if only you cared about her enough to pick up her slack and notice all the hints she's been hiding from you.

So theoretically, if I wanted to try a new Sage run, what is the best route to take with her (for both lewds and relationship)? I dumped my Sage playthrough after rebound guy and never even played it on ep 8. I actually only finished a dual Bella/Jill run (saved right before the choice) and more recently a Maya speed run so I could unlock orange dress lewd scene. I think I'm still back at ep. 5 or 6 with Josy. My Others path is stuck at ep. 8 beginning. Lost interest in all of it for a while.

I'm thinking of getting back into the game, but at this point I should probably start over from scratch and try to get better results with the main girls. I'm rather certain I've fucked things up with all of the them.

It really depends on what you want out of the game. The fuck buddy path obviously gives a lot more lewd time with Sage, and it generally has a much better build up of the intimacy between them, particularly with the extended scene of the MC nursing her back to health in Episode 6. But the price for that is that technically you are cheating and (more importantly) it's really hard to overstate how *stupid* the Rebound Guy speech is.

The friendship path avoids the cheating and the MC's temporary bout of insanity, which is good. And IMHO the game does a very nice job kindling a platonic friendship between them in Episodes 5 and 6. The downside here is that the platonic friendship is suddenly forced onto the exact same path as the fuck buddy relationship during the HOT party, and it just wasn't quite ready for that yet.

So to sum up: the fuck buddy path has higher overall quality but hits some disastrous lows, whereas the friendship path is more consistent but a bit underwhelming in comparison. Personally I went with the friendship path when I finally replayed the game for my Sage path just prior to Episode 8, but then I'm about as far on the CHICK side as you're likely to find in this thread so YMMV.

Have none of you guys been married? A couple of weeks with your LI of choice, you'll be begging for something fresh!

Well hello Zoey!

I expected DPC to throw us some curveballs, but I figured he'd at least let us get into the batter's box first. We haven't even informed M&J yet and we've already had to sit through the Interlude!

No one is talking about forcing anyone. I don’t think there is a single point in the game where you’re forced in to a relationship scene. I don’t think that will change now. Instead, i imagine, she will come on to the MC he’ll have to reject her (Or not). MC might get caught with her coming on to him and have to explain it to his girl, that sort of melodrama that the game has done constantly since the start.

Actually, there is one forced relationship in the game and by a funny coincidence, it's with Zoey in flashbacks.

But to be serious, I agree we're not going to be forced to cheat with Zoey. But while DPC has never forced the (contemporary) MC to pursue a girl, he sure has forced him to stop pursing girls temporarily - most obviously in Episode 4, and the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis is not exactly the highwater mark of the game. Rather the opposite.

So I think it's entirely fair to worry about just what Zoey is going to do to the narrative.

Does the confession scene with Sage change if she was your fuck buddy or not? Might be a clue if there was a flag for it.

I'm not sure what you're asking about. If you mean the scene where she confronts Chad about cheating on him (assuming you told her about Troy), AFAICT the game only cares if you're on her path. Even if you waited until Episode 7 to hook up with her (i.e. after Chad dumped her), she'll still say she cheated on him. Whereas if you aren't on her path at all, she'll only say she tried to cheat on him.

I do think the game stores the variables necessary to tell the difference (her Bio entry will say you didn't kiss her during the music lesson, for example). But so far the actual onscreen relationship is the same regardless of how you got there, which is disappointing.

What I don't get, it up until now people wanted the Branching, now we not even touched the surface of it, but the folks already wants to able to get out of it

I'm not sure how many people were really calling for more branching, much less how many of those are the ones currently whining about Zoey.

But speaking as someone who DID want more branching and has done more than my fair share of whining about Zoey, I can say that my concern is all about the timing. The point of more branching is to reflect how much of a difference our choices make to the outcome of the game. Adding Zoey into the mix on all branches when the ink hasn't even dried on the new relationships (indeed, it hasn't even been put to paper for M&J) screams of short-circuiting the very branches I wanted to see in action. What difference does my branch make if the MC spends most of his time worrying about Zoey?

I will be very happy to be proven wrong, but the time and effort spent on Zoey in the Interlude (without actually establishing just what she wants from the MC going forward) do nothing but reinforce my fears.

No, I'm saying it wont happen 5 minutes after the biggest choice in the game yet. There is no indication that the EP08 choice is final for the entire game, but I also dont believe that players who've just chosen a girl, will be able to stick their dick into Zoey in Ep09 or Ep10 for that matter.

Maybe there will be an end of Season 3 decision with a choice of equal consequences as at the end of Season 2.

Now, will there be a cheating MC in BaDIK ? We don't know yet, maybe thats where affinity will finally kick in and be meaningful.

But if you objectively look at how DPC set the decision and the consequences up, it leans towards no cheating.

Lets take an example, lets say you picked any girl but Sage, the following convo is forced.


And, as you know, the MC lets every choice he didnt pick (except the MJ path) know, and thats forced too.

Actually, he doesn't inform Jill if he chooses someone else, either (hence the infamous scene where she sees him fucking Bella). So that's a solid 60% of the LIs the MC can't inform when he 'dumps' them. Great follow through on that crossroads.

Finally, lets look at how the MC himself confirms his choice to himself, its always something along the lines of.


It seems to me, that there will be at least a decent amount of efford to make the relationship the MC has choosen work. And at least the door to LI jump seems to be closed as of now. Of course there are many other candidates to have sex with around B&R, and ... man I really dont know, there should be an option for players who want to go the relationship path and still fuck around to do so, but the way DPC set all of it up makes me doubt it's gonna be a given.

Maybe the girl you choose opens up a new or old rival girl ? A friend of Jill, Cathy returns on Bella path, Quinn for Sage and MJ has 2 girls build in by default, but it seems unlikely too.

I think, we're at a point in the game, where the big decisions will mostly be used to lock content and as long as there is an alternative choice to avoid the lock out of content, like 'others' in this case, it should promote the path/multiple saves system further.

Maybe 'others' can still lead to a main LI's ending down the line, as you said, we're at 50% right now, so 'others' could serve as the 'keep your options open but dont close the door just yet' option.

There are just soooooo many possibilities, we really need EP09 to get a better idea of what's up with the EP08 choice.

I agree it should be an episode or two before the MC is ready to discard his "big decision." Then again, I'd have argued we should wait an episode after the big party in Episode 7 before we got the next one; instead we not only got a bigger party in Episode 8, we're getting the Halloween party in Episode 9. And as I've said too many times, we're stuck catching up on Zoey's background before we've even finished picking a girl. So you'll forgive me if I have less than lively faith in DPC's sense of timing.

 

[TimHawk]

Actually, he doesn't inform Jill if he chooses someone else, either (hence the infamous scene where she sees him fucking Bella). So that's a solid 60% of the LIs the MC can't inform when he 'dumps' them. Great follow through on that crossroads.

I think, since the MC does inform Bella if you choose Jill, the canon of why the MC wont tell Jill ( the real reason is Jill walking in on them ofc ), is that the MC isnt sure yet if Bella will actually go for it. They do have some shit to sort out and the MC 'only' expects a meal and a convo, he didnt know he would get a Bella-Burger at that point.

 

[Ilhares]

Bro, by total accident, while looking smth up to reply to Walter, I found this :

"Others" if not pathMayaJosy and not (pathJill and not (not ep7_jill_lewd or affinity == "DIK" or ep8_jill_state == 0)):
        label ep8_alone_label:
        $ branchAlone = True
        if not wt8_branch_all:
            if ep5_feelingsForMaya:
                mc "I still have feelings for Maya, but since that's not an option..."
            elif ep5_feelingsForJosy:
                mc "I still have feelings for Josy, but since that's not an option..."

Did you know it's used in the Ep08 decision conclusion ? Cuz I sure didnt.

It is, except what you've quoted also shows you're using the walkthrough cheat mod, so anticipate trouble with any of those exported saves as season 3 moves forward.

 

[sixart]

It is, except what you've quoted also shows you're using the walkthrough cheat mod, so anticipate trouble with any of those exported saves as season 3 moves forward.

No no no no no... do NOT anticipate it ! Let it be a surprise !!! Also I fail to see any new intel in this...

 

[TimHawk]

It is, except what you've quoted also shows you're using the walkthrough cheat mod, so anticipate trouble with any of those exported saves as season 3 moves forward.

It's my own mod, just for me. I have 2 folders, one untouched and one where I play around with shit, but thank you for the advise nonetheless, its good advise.

Edited it to no mod, so others wont get confused.

 

[shazba]

For those whining about the timing of Zoey's return ()...

Seriously, this game revels in two things:

1. Awesome characters
2. Melodrama

So, we've already established how awesome Zoey is (this is not up for debate!)

Now how do we rachet up the drama..?

Bingo!
(and I mean "bingo" as in "eureka!", so fuck off Tommy with all your granny jokes... I was gonna go with "Huzzah!" to put in a DnG reference, but I don't think you guys are up to it )

 

[DarkDaemonX]

I actually think the crossroads choice came way too early, especially if it's true we're only at the halfway point now, or even less than that. Forcing us to make such a big choice already really limits the scenes we can get from this point onwards, unless we start cheating, which I don't see my massive chick MC doing.

And forcing us to make that choice right before Zoey comes back is an even bigger "fuck you".

 

[DarkDaemonX]

So, we've already established how awesome Zoey is (this is not up for debate!)

Zoey instantly jumped to best girl level (I made her a chick instead of a dik)

 

[shazba]

I actually think the crossroads choice came way too early, especially if it's true we're only at the halfway point now, or even less than that. Forcing us to make such a big choice already really limits the scenes we can get from this point onwards, unless we start cheating, which I don't see my massive chick MC doing.

And forcing us to make that choice right before Zoey comes back is an even bigger "fuck you".

You gotta stop analysing this as a AVN where it's all about fucking as many girls as possible.

It's a story, and in this story the mc grew a pair of balls (ask Zoey, they used to be tiny, she even wrote a song about it) right after he started college. He started forming a bunch of relationships, then decided he was gonna hurt some people if he continued that way, so he made a decision, chose one girl and tried to make a go of it.

Then his "ex" (but not really his ex because they didn't officially break up, nor did they officially have a relationship in the first place, but they might have...) returns at the worst possible time, confusion and jealousy ensues, the mc has a great time at a Halloween party, goes on to have an awesome Spring Break, does some other shit and then he graduates with honours and goes back to help his dad because, "family". I just gave DPC a call, he told me that was how it would end, but bear in mind he has lied to me before...

Anyway, the decision to choose one girl at this point in time is part of the story. The game is likely to become more story driven for the second half, so this new story arc will happen along with whomever the mc chose to be with. It's only "too soon" if your goal was to just have the mc fuck his way through college, but there's a lot more to this game than that.

All that said, my mc is on the "others" path. He intends to fuck his way through college.

 

[BigBlueDude]

I actually think the crossroads choice came way too early, especially if it's true we're only at the halfway point now, or even less than that. Forcing us to make such a big choice already really limits the scenes we can get from this point onwards, unless we start cheating, which I don't see my massive chick MC doing.

And forcing us to make that choice right before Zoey comes back is an even bigger "fuck you".

I dont think the crossroads choice is too early, i think that many people place too much weight on it instead of what it is. 8 to 12 episodes to go and the expectation seems to be "lovey dovey adventures with your one and only LI for 8+ episodes"? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me, narratively nor gameplaywise with how the game have progressed so far.

I think and hope its not a hard crossroads at all, far more likely a... pruning/sculpting of the branching going on. A temporary focusing to make development for DCP manageable for the upcoming season and beyond.

 

[den_tiger]

I find MC to be quite hot. As a chick I would totally do him.

There are actually women who play AVNs? looks like I made a wrong choice somewhere. can I reload?

And funny enough, I had a friend who looks like the MC. Chick were always after him. Mostly single moms. Go figure.

 

[sorco2003]

You gotta stop analysing this as a AVN where it's all about fucking as many girls as possible.

It's a story, and in this story the mc grew a pair of balls (ask Zoey, they used to be tiny, she even wrote a song about it) right after he started college. He started forming a bunch of relationships, then decided he was gonna hurt some people if he continued that way, so he made a decision, chose one girl and tried to make a go of it.

Then his "ex" (but not really his ex because they didn't officially break up, nor did they officially have a relationship in the first place, but they might have...) returns at the worst possible time, confusion and jealousy ensues, the mc has a great time at a Halloween party, goes on to have an awesome Spring Break, does some other shit and then he graduates with honours and goes back to help his dad because, "family". I just gave DPC a call, he told me that was how it would end, but bear in mind he has lied to me before...

Anyway, the decision to choose one girl at this point in time is part of the story. The game is likely to become more story driven for the second half, so this new story arc will happen along with whomever the mc chose to be with. It's only "too soon" if your goal was to just have the mc fuck his way through college, but there's a lot more to this game than that.

All that said, my mc is on the "others" path. He intends to fuck his way through college.

To me the choice seemed rushed, and not because I wanted to keep chasing them all, my run is only M&J and Sage, but I was expecting something more organic, more carried by the story, my MC in the embrace only saw M&J as the desired ones, but still the thought was "I was with everyone", and from there to the philosophy breakfast, without stops...
There were better ways to realize with whom I wanted to officialize, especially in the runs where you only pursue a LI, it was very strange.
The rest, I agree, sounds to me like it's going to be more story driven, from now on, and Zoey is going to become the X-factor.

 

[den_tiger]

Bro, by total accident, while looking smth up to reply to Walter, I found this :

"Others" if not pathMayaJosy and not (pathJill and not (not ep7_jill_lewd or affinity == "DIK" or ep8_jill_state == 0)):
        label ep8_alone_label:
        $ branchAlone = True
        if ep5_feelingsForMaya:
            mc "(I still have feelings for Maya, but since that's not an option...)"
        elif ep5_feelingsForJosy:
            mc "(I still have feelings for Josy, but since that's not an option...)"

Did you know it's used in the Ep08 decision conclusion ? Cuz I sure didnt.

where did you get the code? I would really like to look at the codes for some scenes to see what affects the gym handholding and the Maya Ep8 scene.

 

[den_tiger]

Technically, I don't think you can select Jill at the crossroads if you didn't go on the picnic with her. So she won't turn you down to your face. She'll just mutter some passive-aggressive comments about how things could be different if only you cared about her enough to pick up her slack and notice all the hints she's been hiding from you.



It really depends on what you want out of the game. The fuck buddy path obviously gives a lot more lewd time with Sage, and it generally has a much better build up of the intimacy between them, particularly with the extended scene of the MC nursing her back to health in Episode 6. But the price for that is that technically you are cheating and (more importantly) it's really hard to overstate how *stupid* the Rebound Guy speech is.

The friendship path avoids the cheating and the MC's temporary bout of insanity, which is good. And IMHO the game does a very nice job kindling a platonic friendship between them in Episodes 5 and 6. The downside here is that the platonic friendship is suddenly forced onto the exact same path as the fuck buddy relationship during the HOT party, and it just wasn't quite ready for that yet.

So to sum up: the fuck buddy path has higher overall quality but hits some disastrous lows, whereas the friendship path is more consistent but a bit underwhelming in comparison. Personally I went with the friendship path when I finally replayed the game for my Sage path just prior to Episode 8, but then I'm about as far on the CHICK side as you're likely to find in this thread so YMMV.



I expected DPC to throw us some curveballs, but I figured he'd at least let us get into the batter's box first. We haven't even informed M&J yet and we've already had to sit through the Interlude!



Actually, there is one forced relationship in the game and by a funny coincidence, it's with Zoey in flashbacks.

But to be serious, I agree we're not going to be forced to cheat with Zoey. But while DPC has never forced the (contemporary) MC to pursue a girl, he sure has forced him to stop pursing girls temporarily - most obviously in Episode 4, and the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis is not exactly the highwater mark of the game. Rather the opposite.

So I think it's entirely fair to worry about just what Zoey is going to do to the narrative.



I'm not sure what you're asking about. If you mean the scene where she confronts Chad about cheating on him (assuming you told her about Troy), AFAICT the game only cares if you're on her path. Even if you waited until Episode 7 to hook up with her (i.e. after Chad dumped her), she'll still say she cheated on him. Whereas if you aren't on her path at all, she'll only say she tried to cheat on him.

I do think the game stores the variables necessary to tell the difference (her Bio entry will say you didn't kiss her during the music lesson, for example). But so far the actual onscreen relationship is the same regardless of how you got there, which is disappointing.



I'm not sure how many people were really calling for more branching, much less how many of those are the ones currently whining about Zoey.

But speaking as someone who DID want more branching and has done more than my fair share of whining about Zoey, I can say that my concern is all about the timing. The point of more branching is to reflect how much of a difference our choices make to the outcome of the game. Adding Zoey into the mix on all branches when the ink hasn't even dried on the new relationships (indeed, it hasn't even been put to paper for M&J) screams of short-circuiting the very branches I wanted to see in action. What difference does my branch make if the MC spends most of his time worrying about Zoey?

I will be very happy to be proven wrong, but the time and effort spent on Zoey in the Interlude (without actually establishing just what she wants from the MC going forward) do nothing but reinforce my fears.



Actually, he doesn't inform Jill if he chooses someone else, either (hence the infamous scene where she sees him fucking Bella). So that's a solid 60% of the LIs the MC can't inform when he 'dumps' them. Great follow through on that crossroads.


I agree it should be an episode or two before the MC is ready to discard his "big decision." Then again, I'd have argued we should wait an episode after the big party in Episode 7 before we got the next one; instead we not only got a bigger party in Episode 8, we're getting the Halloween party in Episode 9. And as I've said too many times, we're stuck catching up on Zoey's background before we've even finished picking a girl. So you'll forgive me if I have less than lively faith in DPC's sense of timing.

Yikes. A rejection at the end of season 1 and another rejection at the send of season 2 -- poor MC. Funny enough, for each rejection, a DIK affinity is one of the conditions for rejection.

 

[den_tiger]

I think, since the MC does inform Bella if you choose Jill, the canon of why the MC wont tell Jill ( the real reason is Jill walking in on them ofc ), is that the MC isnt sure yet if Bella will actually go for it. They do have some shit to sort out and the MC 'only' expects a meal and a convo, he didnt know he would get a Bella-Burger at that point.

No, I think he was just too busy fucking Bella and didn't have time to call or tell her in person? It's unlike Jade where you can reject via text. You can't do that to poor Jill.

 

[sixart]

All that said, my mc is on the "others" path. He intends to fuck his way through college.

You dirty little devil...

AVN where it's all about fucking as many girls as possible.

This is getting really old... every single one that comes up with " too early " instead of " too late " does not know shit about human connections... and uses this VN as fap material only... which is best if there is a ton of content... which comes if you fuck every living breathing thing that walks around the Earth Realistic huh ?

the expectation seems to be "lovey dovey adventures with your one and only LI for 8+ episodes"? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me, narratively nor gameplaywise with how the game have progressed so far.

This goes as a given... maybe if we consider the fools The whole game is a well set up shitstorm on course... it does not matter which road you take... the story changes accordingly though but lovey dovey ?... it will be more and more complicated so ( Zoey already arrived... ) that's something fundamentally wrong if one comes to that expectation... or never read through a VN ( may it be porn ) let alone ignores that drama factor...

 

[lipe2410]

To me the choice seemed rushed, and not because I wanted to keep chasing them all, my run is only M&J and Sage, but I was expecting something more organic, more carried by the story, my MC in the embrace only saw M&J as the desired ones, but still the thought was "I was with everyone", and from there to the philosophy breakfast, without stops...
There were better ways to realize with whom I wanted to officialize, especially in the runs where you only pursue a LI, it was very strange.
The rest, I agree, sounds to me like it's going to be more story driven, from now on, and Zoey is going to become the X-factor.

I reckon you. I already wondered if it wouldn't be possible (and maybe better) to do something like the game check what was the path the player most engaged and who LI the player collect most RP points and this way make the MC decide, with no choice avaiable, whom LI he wants commit, and if he didn't engage in any LI path he will be automatically to others branch. But i'm a noob in this things so have no clue if will be possible design the game this way.