VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[AchedCroissant]

@SomboSteel : are you one of DPC's patrons?

 

[sixart]

(particularly Sally)

Lollicon ?

 

[BigBlueDude]

If Maya becomes the leader of the HOTs, that is not bad writing. Rather, it depends on how DPC will shape Maya's development. Maya really only has one problem that she can't solve on her own. Patrick. Once that problem is fixed, DPC can write a steep development curve for Maya. After all, the potential is there.

She has friends like Josy, Sage, Jill, MC and her brother Derek. Some HOTs have already apologized to her and are seeking contact. Sage said that Maya is the way she used to be. So why shouldn't Maya become like Sage.

In my opinion, Maya has the most potential because Maya is shaped by bad and good experiences. She knows the light and dark sides of life. Maya's feminist beliefs are perfectly fine if you follow the learning lesson with Maya and the MC in EP6.

Read through what feminism really is and don't compare it to what Wendy, Linda, Suzy, Mr. Piggi, etc. think it is.

Spoiler: Feminism

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Theres not enough instory time. DPC have said that the game will span one year. And that is definitely not enough time for Maya to become a believeable leader of the HOTs. Maybe if we had 3 years and Sage as support. Because Sage is graduating this year and thats the only reasonable role model for Maya. Maya simply have too much shit going on, too much baggage. Not enough support from the rest of the HOT girls, they are too mixed up with Quinns business and their own issues.

The game tells you its not reasonable. Maya is openly dissmissive of the sluts in the HOTs in the first episode. And she takes the gender studies seriously while the other HOTs does not as they straight up tells the MC when he asks. If thats not a huge conflict of interest and source of internal strife for Maya and the HOTs if DPC tries to make her a leader i dont know what to tell you tbh. Its horrible writing as there is not enough time nor cirumstance to make it believable with everything else going on with her.

Im not fighting you on her internal basic capabilities as Ive said this before (added the italics for emphasis)

Definitely this, I like a lot Maya and I know shes definitely not a leader. Shes almost as far from independent as one can be. Shes got an inner fire and moral empathic core that could be cultivated to leadership but it would be years of work to make it happen thats not where the story is, her path is about just breaking free. Shes cornered and lashing out left and right now. Leadership is not even close imo.

What I am fighting you hard at is that there is just too many external factors (core beliefs vs HOTs beliefs, naivete, power struggle, lack of independence and assertiveness, financial issues, family issues, love issues etc etc) that prevents her leadership from being believable, reasonable and logical. Theres too many things that should make it impossible in the time we have. Maya would need an entire games worth of story of her own and loads of support to make her a leader. The HOTs is a nightmare kettle of complicated issues brewing atm. Maya navigating that amidst her own problems? Ridiculous imo.

I love her character (she my favorite with Isabella and Quinn) but a logical or natural leader she aint. Hard no, way too many issues to deal with in the time we have if DPC is going that route, it definitely would be horrible writing to handwave and force her into leadership role. Without the HOTs theres a tiny tinry possibility if she forms a new sorority after the HOTs get imploded and caught by the police as B&R had to shut down due to the uncovered prostitution ring in the epilogue. Huge maybe.

 

[Ilhares]

Nicole then for the least is included in the story, as limited as any secondary girl, and Nora probably will be too,

Nicole having limited time in the story is perfectly reasonable. Sure, she's pretty hot, but she's got to work a regular job (assuming she has semi-regular hours at the Pink Rose) and she's raising a young child of school age. I think the only way MC is going to get a lot more time with her is if he puts another kid in her and becomes part of her life moving forward. Which I'm OK with, but practically speaking that should be more of an epilogue resolution, unless he drops out of college himself. I don't think Stanley would be too fond of him working at PR.

Thought it's not a concern for now, I hope that Being a DIK will have a memorable ending. Many movies, series or books that had everything to become iconic have completely botched their endings; yet this is the one thing we remember the most when we think back on them.

Memorable and Good are two very different things, that if you're lucky will overlap.

Spoiler: Memorable ending?

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I can count projects with a good ending on the fingers of one hand after 5-7 years of constant production (Scrubs, Peaky Blinders) and many more projects with a terrible ending.

Hold on there, Tex. Are we talking about the proper ending of Season 8, or the spin-off show they tried to pass off as Season 9? That's a very important distinction.

SomboSteel : are you one of DPC's patrons?

Dude. I'll freely admit that I disagree with Sombo on a number of points, but this guy took a bullet for the F95 community. He's earned some respect.

 

[OFT]

Oh man, that scene where the alphas get the "blackmail" pics and see all the pics of her with the different DIKs. Her face, then when she turns around and goes out the window (I think?).... I was dead.

Here you go. Keep it in your toolbox for later.




Suggested uses:

• When Dalli starts off with "I have a theory..."
• Someone posts "[fill in the blank] is the best girl!" (Unless they're talking about Bella, of course.)
• Any indication of the return of JAL
• DavDR compliments BaDIK (It means the apocalypse is upon us.)
• A new episode is released (At least until you've had a chance to play, because it WILL be spoiled here.)

It is also clear what DPC is trying to do so we can shape Zoey. Zoey and the MC have not seen each other in over a year and have not communicated in over half a year. We as players are shaping the MC as DIK, NEUTRAL, or CHICK. But how was the MC in the beginning? With me, strangely enough, always neutral. I assume the MC was neutral when Zoey left. But how does a DIK or NEUTRAL Zoey get along with a CHICK MC when they meet again. Is that perhaps why DPC created the affinity?

I don't think the interlude was a failure. With the flashback to Zoey in EP3, it's clear to me that she will find her way into the game. I wrote that over a year ago. The interlude was perfect because we had Zoey actively in the game. So every player was forced to be involved with Zoey somewhere. Of course, there are players who have a positive impression and others who have a negative impression. But that's no different from EP1 to EP8. Some like Maya, some don't, but they don't like Quinn and bitch about Jill. You guys know what I mean.

DnG is not my thing either. But it's part of the game, so it has its place for me because it's a DPC game.

Nope. Can't do it. Sorry. I've tried, but I simply can't get used to it.

Spoiler: For the love of all things holy and unholy, PLEASE!

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DPC have said that the game will span one year.

Did I miss something in the Q&As? When did he say that?

 

[Casiope]

Lollicon ?
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Sally is not a lolita, neither by her age nor by her behavior. I am grateful to Dr PinkCake for not promoting this kind of borderline content.

 

[gamingdevil800]

If Maya becomes the leader of the HOTs

That would be lame so... No Thanks

 

[sixart]

Sally is not a lolita, neither by her age nor by her behavior. I am grateful to Dr PinkCake for not promoting this kind of borderline content.

And I never wrote lolita... and put up a pic to help which meaning it bears... sooo nevermind

 

[Bendover885]

Hold on there, Tex. Are we talking about the proper ending of Season 8, or the spin-off show they tried to pass off as Season 9? That's a very important distinction.

Scrubs 'season 9' doesn't exist. Everyone knows that. It ended beautifully with 8. *Puts fingers in ears, repeating 'la, la, la'*

 

[jadenyuki]

From someone who isn't around very much: do we know when the next update will be released?

 

[Master5043]

From someone who isn't around very much: do we know when the next update will be released?

No one will say the exact date, but I think it's supposed to be September-October, depending on the length of episode 9.

 

[fasdfaq123]

How do you know that the game requires 1 year BaDIK time? I haven't read that from DPC personally yet.

Sarah and Ashley are also in the Gender Studies program. Also, several HOTs have inquired about Maya's well-being and apologized to her.

The game definitely tells me that there is no other alternative for Sage if she wants to get the HOTs on healthy feet. When Sage realizes all that Quinn has done, Maya is the only real choice. I could see another HOT girl like Heather or Elena staying at B&R a little longer than Sage so that she can become President after Sage and Maya can become Vice President. But to repair the damage done by Quinn, there is no way around Maya.

I don't know if Maya will become president of HOT, for the moment, the "bomb" has not exploded. The potential for Stephen's drug scandal is quite high, so who knows if BR will continue to exist in the future.

 

[LizaS]

I think that's more like a personality "Setting " for Zoey, and nothing more. You can skip the whole Interlude after you played once for future. But you have to decide, about Zoey "personality"

A, She is more calmer, the "Bigger person"
B, She is more of a Vengeful "Bitch"

And this determine what kind of Person will be in future

Agreed. The choices you make in interlude will be integral to the story. Whether you choose Zoe to be a DIK or CHICK, be a bigger person or revengeful. It would play a lot in the coming episodes. I can't see why people hate the interlude, when the backstory of Zoe IMHO is really important. DPC, heck any other writer, wouldn't throw a plot point like this to us for nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I kind of got the feeling of being uninterested here and there while playing the interlude, not because I don't care about Zoe yet, but because I am more emotionally invested already to what's happening around Tremolo. Speaking of caring about Zoe, I liked the plot of her being home-blind. When she realized she has home-blindness in the train, that spoke a lot to me. Not realizing before that Tremolo is really important to her and that maybe she loved him. That's a good story-beat IMHO.

When playing the DIK and CHICK variation of Zoe, I liked her more as a CHICK. She was more compassionate to people and it would really compliment the story-beat of home-blindness.
IDK why this game is called Being a DIK, when in more ways when a being a CHICK the game rewards you more. (Being able to be on all 5 MGs path more or less, you get more RP, etc.)

No, because most if not all of the stuff in the interlude would probably still need to be created as part of Zoey's explanation on why she's back.

Agreed. We don't know what DPC has in mind but him fleshing out Zoe's story like this means she will be important moving on.

 

[Arigon]

Agreed. The choices you make in interlude will be integral to the story. Whether you choose Zoe to be a DIK or CHICK, be a bigger person or revengeful. It would play a lot in the coming episodes. I can't see why people hate the interlude, when the backstory of Zoe IMHO is really important. DPC, heck any other writer, wouldn't throw a plot point like this to us for nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I kind of got the feeling of being uninterested here and there while playing the interlude, not because I don't care about Zoe yet, but because I am more emotionally invested already to what's happening around Tremolo. Speaking of caring about Zoe, I liked the plot of her being home-blind. When she realized she has home-blindness in the train, that spoke a lot to me. Not realizing before that Tremolo is really important to her and that maybe she loved him. That's a good story-beat IMHO.

When playing the DIK and CHICK variation of Zoe, I liked her more as a CHICK. She was more compassionate to people and it would really compliment the story-beat of home-blindness.
IDK why this game is called Being a DIK, when in more ways when a being a CHICK the game rewards you more. (Being able to be on all 5 MGs path more or less, you get more RP, etc.)



Agreed. We don't know what DPC has in mind but him fleshing out Zoe's story like this means she will be important moving on.

It might be important, but honestly I really don't care about Zoey at all. I am not trying to be mean spirited about this, but if someone has to be left in the burning dorm room, I vote Zoey.
Peace

 

[LizaS]

It might be important, but honestly I really don't care about Zoey at all. I am not trying to be mean spirited about this, but if someone has to be left in the burning dorm room, I vote Zoey.
Peace

Dude, you didn't have to go all-out Acting Lessons about it. Some people have traumas here.

 

[Master5043]

Agreed. The choices you make in interlude will be integral to the story. Whether you choose Zoe to be a DIK or CHICK, be a bigger person or revengeful. It would play a lot in the coming episodes. I can't see why people hate the interlude, when the backstory of Zoe IMHO is really important. DPC, heck any other writer, wouldn't throw a plot point like this to us for nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I kind of got the feeling of being uninterested here and there while playing the interlude, not because I don't care about Zoe yet, but because I am more emotionally invested already to what's happening around Tremolo. Speaking of caring about Zoe, I liked the plot of her being home-blind. When she realized she has home-blindness in the train, that spoke a lot to me. Not realizing before that Tremolo is really important to her and that maybe she loved him. That's a good story-beat IMHO.

I think the only real reason why so many people hate Interlude is the development of the ninth episode delayed on for two to three months. People are frustrated: "How dare the DPC interrupt the main story and talk about some Zoe from the MC past! I'm offended and I want the ninth episode as soon as possible!"
Just like kids

 

[walker188]

I *think* the importance of choosing how Zoey dealt with Emma will manifest in Zoey, not in how it affected the San Diego crew directly. It will inform how she handles the MC moving on from her in Season 3, should that come to pass. A Zoey who talked Emma down will try to win the MC over by telling him how she feels and being there for him, whereas a vengeful Zoey will try to undermine her competition and seduce the MC.

I doubt this. That kind of large scale change of character could potentially mean two divergent games. Its a hard needle to thread. I expect it to be flavor, nothing more.

Also, you're right on the money with ORS, controlling both sides of the relationship, means the other person is my LEAST chosen character romantically. I don't want to bang myself (the irony as i click lefthanded...), I want to bang someone else.

 

[Arigon]

Dude, you didn't have to go all-out Acting Lessons about it. Some people have traumas here.

The universal truth is "You never go full Retard"
No one said I could not go all out AL!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[sixart]

Some people have traumas here.

That and whatnot... which says a lot

 

[Cabin Fever]

It might be important, but honestly I really don't care about Zoey at all. I am not trying to be mean spirited about this, but if someone has to be left in the burning dorm room, I vote Zoey.
Peace

I have a feeling Zoey isn't returning to go back to school and live in a dorm. School is expensive and she's out of money. But if there is a burning Pink Rose...

(Not that I'm advocating for that. I'm actually intrigued to see where the addition of Zoey to the plot would lead to.)