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To this day, that night still remains the best moment of the trouple
I'm not sure I agree. The M&J Hangouts (the picnic in Episode 5 and the spa in Episode 8) do have some nice interactions between the characters. They aren't perfect by any means, but then neither was the reconciliation in the ruined library.

Personally, I think the spa is probably gets my nod, especially if we include the entirety of the trip which has lots of fun activities and even a short sex scene. Sure, we shouldn't have taken 4 episodes to get from trying for something more to the three of them finally hanging out at a pool, but that's a separate problem.


I certainly have high hopes for your namesake, but I'm not exactly going to hold my breath. Not after the Interlude practically assured us Zoey was living in a convent while in San Diego.


I'm of the opposite opinion. By this point in the story every fuckable girl wants a piece of MC. A Zoey that has been sleeping around would make her just another side girl in the waiting line for MC's cock.

On the other hand, a Zoey that hasn't been sleeping around brings a very dramatic contrast to MC's experience at the college. It would make MC realize that the two of them had a much stronger and meaningful bond that he realized, instantly elevating her to main LI potential.

Also, if Zoey has been sleeping with Bret, it makes Emma's jealousy and anger justified. It'd also give MC another reason to move on.

Lastly, it's not sex that makes Zoey connected to the San Diego characters. It's the friendship and feelings they've developed that connects them. It's obvious that Bret has feelings for Zoey. If he's going to come chasing after Zoey, he'll come, whether they have had sex or not.
I don't follow. As has been pointed out, even the side girls are never shown sleeping around. A chaste Zoey would make her exactly like everyone else the MC can express interest in. Showing that Zoey did test the waters out west and decided to call it off in favor of rekindling something with the MC would at least give her a unique maturity: only Bella would really come close.

As for Emma, I again disagree. Zoey pursuing Brett would in no way justify what Emma did, because Emma at no point staked any claim to Brett (nor did she ask Zoey not to date him prior to her meltdown). It would, however, better explain Emma's actions, which would have been nice. As is, it plays like Emma forgot to take her medications for a few days.


I can see why you'd feel that way if you don't like Zoey. And that's perfectly cool with me. I don't think I'd pick Zoey over my preferred LI neither.

But from a more objective perspective, the paring down has ALREADY started when you had to choose near the end of Episode 8. If you have chosen one of the main LI routes, any future sex with others make MC a cheater and break the chosen relationship. In other words, you are pretty much locked in to a path if you want a happy ending. But bringing Zoey back in at this point is a way to re-inject a valid choice back - to go with the new LI or go back to the puppy love?
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but how does Zoey alter that dynamic? If the MC picked a girl at the crossroads, starting anything with Zoey would be just as much cheating. I don't expect the unchosen girls to disappear from the MC's life, so it's not like he couldn't regret his choice with them as easily as he could with Zoey. To me, Sage and Jill are much more effective temptations than Zoey because a) I like their personalities better (when Jill isn't being written like an idiot, anyway), and b) their history with the MC is shown not just told. As I've said before, Zoey is the only benchmark the MC has for a relationship, and she's a marginal one (in his mind). If the MC wasn't as invested in the chosen girl as he was in Zoey, he probably should have picked Others.

The only clear advantage Zoey brings to the table is that DPC could reuse he scenes fairly easily on all the branches, which is good for production times but not so much for the story. IMHO, at least. I get some people will prefer Zoey to the other options and that's totally fair, but on average I expect that to be atypical since Zoey would be up against the player's favorite out of 4 choices (5 if we include Quinn/Others).

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I feel like I'm running in circles here. :LOL:.
Let's try this way, I use Bella as an example because I'm gonna get likes for it:LOL:

I'm on the Bella branch. She and I just Fucked in her pool. The next scene.
A, Lily and Tommy talking about drug. A scenario that directly involve the Diks , and will have effect on MC. A Main Plot
B, Josy and Lucas, talking about some random thing, How She liked the way he said " Hi Josy" - so She wanna suck his Dick, and we get a sex scene.

Which one has the most relevant to me on the Bella path, or for the game general plot. ?. It is the least important thing in the game to see Josy love life.
if Josy comes to me and Say hey my new Boyfriend is beating me, abusing me, could you help? Then in that case it's became Relevant.
other than this, if She is beyond my scope, MC's scope, aka MC is not presented, this is not relevant.

people falsely have this idea that if we don't see them move on, and getting an extended details about their life its means that these character stuck in a loop waiting for MC the player to change his mind. :LOL:.

But I hardly get this expression, when I didn't see Bella at all in episode 4. Nothing happens, we are back in the same track, she became relevant for the story again, so I meet her. And I think this is how bracnhng will work, some characters just won't be as heavily presented anymore, because they no longer relevant for that specific branch. Beyond the plot.
it has nothing to do with fear of NTR. It is simply just, when you are on a Bella branch, you dont have to see a random scene thats hold no value to the story aside of being a personal storyline for a rejcted girl.

I cant explinit any better, I feel like at this point it's just arguing for the sake of arguing.:LOL:
This strikes me as a bit disingenuous. Josy doesn't have any romantic relationship with Lucas to date, so of course a lewd scene between them will feel unimportant. If there was an actual relationship there, the scene would presumably be far more relevant - even to the Bella path. To flip things around, seeing a scene between Bella and her husband would be quite significant no matter who we picked in Episode 8.
 
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why tf does this have 10k pages and 11million views? what's so special about this game?
it makes you realize how shitty most of the other games you've played are
this one has a really good story, great characters, amazing renders and lots of content
if you go through the last few pages of the topic, you'll still see people arguing how realistic some situations in the game are but at least the reasons for chicks wanting to bang MC make more sense than most of games you can find on these forums
 

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I'm not sure I agree. The M&J Hangouts (the picnic in Episode 5 and the spa in Episode 8) do have some nice interactions between the characters. They aren't perfect by any means, but then neither was the reconciliation in the ruined library.

Personally, I think the spa is probably gets my nod, especially if we include the entirety of the trip which has lots of fun activities and even a short sex scene. Sure, we shouldn't have taken 4 episodes to get from trying for something more to the three of them finally hanging out at a pool, but that's a separate problem.
There are people who seem to be stuck in chapter 4 and do not want to play the others and are the most critical
 
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I'm not sure I agree. The M&J Hangouts (the picnic in Episode 5 and the spa in Episode 8) do have some nice interactions between the characters. They aren't perfect by any means, but then neither was the reconciliation in the ruined library.

Personally, I think the spa is probably gets my nod, especially if we include the entirety of the trip which has lots of fun activities and even a short sex scene. Sure, we shouldn't have taken 4 episodes to get from trying for something more to the three of them finally hanging out at a pool, but that's a separate problem.



I certainly have high hopes for your namesake, but I'm not exactly going to hold my breath. Not after the Interlude practically assured us Zoey was living in a convent while in San Diego.



I don't follow. As has been pointed out, even the side girls are never shown sleeping around. A chaste Zoey would make her exactly like everyone else the MC can express interest in. Showing that Zoey did test the waters out west and decided to call it off in favor of rekindling something with the MC would at least give her a unique maturity: only Bella would really come close.

As for Emma, I again disagree. Zoey pursuing Brett would in no way justify what Emma did, because Emma at no point staked any claim to Brett (nor did she ask Zoey not to date him prior to her meltdown). It would, however, better explain Emma's actions, which would have been nice. As is, it plays like Emma forgot to take her medications for a few days.



Sorry to sound like a broken record, but how does Zoey alter that dynamic? If the MC picked a girl at the crossroads, starting anything with Zoey would be just as much cheating. I don't expect the unchosen girls to disappear from the MC's life, so it's not like he couldn't regret his choice with them as easily as he could with Zoey. To me, Sage and Jill are much more effective temptations than Zoey because a) I like their personalities better (when Jill isn't being written like an idiot, anyway), and b) their history with the MC is shown not just told. As I've said before, Zoey is the only benchmark the MC has for a relationship, and she's a marginal one (in his mind). If the MC wasn't as invested in the chosen girl as he was in Zoey, he probably should have picked Others.

The only clear advantage Zoey brings to the table is that DPC could reuse he scenes fairly easily on all the branches, which is good for production times but not so much for the story. IMHO, at least. I get some people will prefer Zoey to the other options and that's totally fair, but on average I expect that to be atypical since Zoey would be up against the player's favorite out of 4 choices (5 if we include Quinn/Others).
You have highlighted several reasons why I dislike adding Zoey in at this point.

Does she shake things up?

Sorta. Maybe. Depends.

People have different opinions on where this story goes. I personally do not, have not ever seen it going for 5 seasons. I do not think there are 5 seasons of story left to tell here. I think we are on the last season and he ties this all up in a couple of episodes. Why? Because it is needlessly overly complicated, and he has finally started paring down the love interests.
He "could" keep at this for an endless number of episodes I suppose, but why? He wanted to do a comedy/coming of age story.

Well...It has comedy. It is not a coming of age story though. I read another post, but it was back a few pages, that the MC is already the king of the college. This is true in a lot of ways. Coming back to earth will be painful for him, and us, if DPC pulls some shitty crap out of his previous AVN and injects it here. I hope he values his customer base more than that.

We need to have some real crisis though. Something that IS a coming of age, where the MC overcomes his childhood, his past, and moves to adulthood. DPC did us no favors by having the MC come and be the most fuckable asset in the game. So something needs to Jar the MC, and he needs to come out of that a better person, or the whole comedy and coming of age thing was complete bullshit. FAPFEST 101 would be a better appellation for this than any coming of age story.

How about he knocks up like 3 or 4 girls all at the same time... or he passes around herpes. Those kinds of events will open his eyes up quickly, and at least the herpes, while not funny, can be humorous if written well. Making a ton of babies is only funny if he inherits a shit ton of money and can feed everyone in a harem with his bunch of brats.

I guess that is what sums up my gripe with a lot of the trope here. If you want to enjoy a story without NEEDLESS drama, it isn't here. Fap. Plenty. Real Drama, not some school tuition bullshit. Not some old not quite girlfriend from the past that looks like a crack whore.

I would personally REALLY love a scene where Quinn asks the MC to come visit her as soon as he can. They go for a walk, away from everyone, and she tells him that she is 1- infected with herpes and probably so is he, or 2- pregnant and he is the only candidate because you guys all think she quit fucking for money. That would make for some shit!

Or Bella, telling the MC she is pregnant. Or Sage. Or the girls start lining up and questioning why they all have chlamydia!!!!

THAT is coming of age comedy and drama in one. Chlamydia for the win! Crabs, not affecting the MC, nope. Girls lining up asking questions of a raw dogging liar of an MC, yep, that is quality entertainment.

Sadly, I don't think DPC has that kind of writing in him. Which is good for those who enjoy what he writes I suppose, but will continue to underwhelm others who are already critical of his writing.

Peace.
 

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it makes you realize how shitty most of the other games you've played are
this one has a really good story, great characters, amazing renders and lots of content
if you go through the last few pages of the topic, you'll still see people arguing how realistic some situations in the game are but at least the reasons for chicks wanting to bang MC make more sense than most of games you can find on these forums
no.
This has excellent looking renders and fap material. THAT is why. The story is stupid.
 

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This strikes me as a bit disingenuous. Josy doesn't have any romantic relationship with Lucas to date, so of course a lewd scene between them will feel unimportant. If there was an actual relationship there, the scene would presumably be far more relevant - even to the Bella path. To flip things around, seeing a scene between Bella and her husband would be quite significant no matter who we picked in Episode 8.
Is that so? Not so long ago we had a nice back and forth, about fillers because how the story does not move forward , with the unnecessary DnG, and parties , unnecessary lewd scenes with Madam.
And now, We are at the phase, that Girls who been rejected, or they rejected MC , personal life should been shown, to show as how their life is after that, with out the MC. :unsure:

Interesting 180 turn. Hey, you know what you guys won, 50 episode it is then, to make sure each character, get the proper treatment, and healthy and fine after their encounter with MC.:cool:
I want details, I want to see the set up, how they meet, I want sex scenes, I want everything. each character should be the individual hero of its own story. In Each path.

similarity is not enough, we want Same exact same approach as a Tv show. I wanna see Envy as she make breakfast for her kid, and then she goes to work and serve a client. :LOL:
 
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no.
This has excellent looking renders and fap material. THAT is why. The story is stupid.
If that would be the case we would not argue so much about things. like recently whether, it would be better or not, to show the other girls personal life after MC, outside of his circle:p.
so it's looks like good enough to make the people engage into conversation, beyond, the usual, "how to unlock this or that sex scene, is there cheat, anyone have save file, I want a dog to fuck this girl". and other higly intelectual type of excenelces. :LOL:

Peace and Love:cool:
 

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i mentioned it a while ago but i'll say it again since it being discussed, i think Quinn's music stands out to me the most in her scenes. a character you arent even supposed to like, but the music and ambiance and her subtle expressions with MC all combine so well to show the walls coming down little by little
 

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If that would be the case we would not argue so much about things. like recently whether, it would be better or not, to show the other girls personal life after mc, outside of his circle:p.
so it's looks like good enough to make the people engage into conversation, beyond, the usual, "how to unlock this or that sex scene, is there cheat, anyone have save file, I want a dog to fuck this girl". and other higly intelectual type of excenelces. :LOL:

Peace and Love:cool:
I may disagree with you on the showing of sex scenes. Still, I 100% agree that because so many people engage in conversation and arguments over this game with little complaints about development time, this game is above many, although not without its faults.
 
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Is that so? Not so long ago we had a nice back and forth, about fillers because how the story does not move forward , with the unnecessary DnG, and parties , unnecessary lewd scenes with Madam.
And now, We are at the phase, that Girls who been rejected, or they rejected MC , personal life should been shown, to show as how their life is after that, with out the MC. :unsure:

Interesting 180 turn. Hey, you know what you guys won, 50 episode it is then, to make sure each character, get the proper treatment, and healthy and fine after their encounter with MC.:cool:
I want details, I want to see the set up, how they meet, I want sex scenes, I want everything. each character should be the individual hero of its own story. In Each path.

similarity is not enough, we want Same exact same approach as a Tv show. I wanna see Envy as she make breakfast for her kid, and then she goes to work and serve a client. :LOL:
Again, I think this is a bit unfair. Obviously adding scenes *for the point* of having more scenes is a bad thing. But that's why discussing a hypothetical, context-free lewd scene between Josy and Lucas is a meaningless exercise. The context is the thing that would make or break the scene.

We need scenes that inform us about the characters, advance their story, or control the 'pace' of the story (meaning you sometimes need intermediate scenes to illustrate a gradual process or lighten/darken the mood). Ideally, each scene would do multiple of those, but they all need to do at least one.

Can a pseudo-NTR scene with a girl serve any of those purposes? I would argue yes, at least under the right circumstances. Bella remains the most obvious example, because it could clarify what the fuck happened with her husband AND raise the stakes for MCs on her path. Zoey is another possibility: as said, if we saw Zoey break up with her new boyfriend because she realized what she lost with the MC, that would drive home how she was changes by her time in San Diego. Sage is yet another example. How much more impact Sage's fury in Episode 6 would have had if we'd actually seen Chad kiss her previously? It would make her sense of betrayal much more visceral because we'd have seen how Chad led her along. As is, feels more like Sage has been deluding herself for months/years.

Of course it's perfectly possible to use those sorts of scenes badly. I'd argue the Emma/Bret scene in the Interlude was a complete waste for all the reasons you say. But that's because it has no narrative purpose: it's hard to care about Emma after the shit she pulled and we're probably never going to see these characters again. All we needed here was to convey how this affected Zoey, and a few quick lines could have done that. So I'm definitely not recommending we delve into the minutiae of every rejected girl's love life just to up the lewd count. I just think DPC has been gun-shy about adding that sort of content even when it could help the story.


i mentioned it a while ago but i'll say it again since it being discussed, i think Quinn's music stands out to me the most in her scenes. a character you arent even supposed to like, but the music and ambiance and her subtle expressions with MC all combine so well to show the walls coming down little by little
I certainly understand where your coming from, but I find it a bit annoying. To me, the game is trying way too hard to make me sympathize with Quinn despite her having done nothing to earn that sympathy. It feels manipulative.

Still, the music *is* very good and I know plenty of people disagree with me on Quinn.
 
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