VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Foind]

I feel if Jill dropped you in ep 6, after missing the date, a lot less people would be pissed with the outcome. Instead she strings Fuckface along for 2 more episodes, decides that the potentials climbing the mansion to fight for her, the recital and running across town to declare his love, moments so big that every single one could be the apex of a romcom movie, amount to nothing. He doesn't even earn the courtesy of not being dumped in front of people.

Jill doesn't dump the MC though, MC chose to not go on a date with her and at the end too (IIRC) MC chooses to not interfere in her date with tyballs if he's not on Jill path

 

[sixart]

I feel if Jill dropped you in ep 6, after missing the date, a lot less people would be pissed with the outcome. Instead she strings Fuckface along for 2 more episodes, decides that the potentials climbing the mansion to fight for her, the recital and running across town to declare his love, moments so big that every single one could be the apex of a romcom movie, amount to nothing. He doesn't even earn the courtesy of not being dumped in front of people.

Let's see if I got this right... you play with fire by sticking your dick in everything that moves ( assumption alright... but if you were determined to go for Jill... you would go for Jill ) and are surprized when shit hits the fan and it's time for consequences... And ( OFC ) later you are the victim and wanna humiliate someone who did not go along with your masterplan... Is that about right ?!

 

[PashafromRussia]

I think we can safely assume nobody focused on that xd

I still don't like Josie's panties, have no textures and panties look very flat.. That's why the assets of DAZ in terms of clothes suck. It's easier to do it yourself, but it's long and difficult.

 

[dalli_x]

New thought... well ok not new.
Zoey is related to Vinny. He, not the MC, is really why she is in the picture. Why would I say this?
Quinn is sadly about to get brutally ended. So a replacement semi bad girl is needed. All the LI hide things from the MC, and Zoey should be given the same privilege. Before he went to B&R and got intertwined with all the soap opera drama there, Zoey being related to Vinny was not a bad thing. It provided the MC and Zoey with access to beer and cigarettes and maybe pot when they were younger. Now though, it is a new ball game.....

Truly not looking to knock anything here. Trying very hard to find an angle where I give a shit about Zoey, and I think if tragic ending of Quinn happened, Zoey could become the next important side chick. I say side chick because I do not think we need any more additions to the cluster we already have....

Just random late night thoughts.
Peace

A good thought with a flaw. Vinny could only have been the one who got the alcohol if he was Zoey's boyfriend's brother. That's the way it's written. So it would make more sense if Vinny was Quinn's brother. But then that would mean Zoey and Quinn would know each other.

But it doesn't rule out her thought, so Quinn meets a tragic end and Zoey becomes a new side chick.

 

[shazba]

not quite the same thing eh.

in the case of Tommy and Heather, rightly or wrongly, MC has to decide for himself, he can't question either of them (indirectly Heather anyway lets him know she wants to know the truth). his moral judgment, or his dick, tells him to act in a certain way

in Jill's case, she in order to defend MC's interests does what MC expressly asked her not to do, she voluntarily goes against the request of the one whose interests she theoretically would like to do. MC's objection, that bringing it all out, might make his situation worse is not so far-fetched, at the party from the HOTs if the Jocks beat him up for good it would be Jill's "fault." but never mind the consequences: Jill determines that what she thinks is better than what MC thinks

I agree it's not quite the same thing, but in both cases, a person goes behind the back of another to "resolve an issue" that is none of their business.

Also, Tommy explicitly told the DIKs, "Don't tell Heather".

Whereas the mc only told Jill not to call an ambulance. When Jill mentions counsellors at college, the mc just responds with, "And say what exactly?".

So telling Heather about Tommy is actually a betrayal, telling Cathy about Chad is just annoying.

 

[Daken9]

Bella and Jill, as I said Traditional relationship approach. You constantly work toward for it and each things move it one step forward, some decision is more important than others.
First you have to work toward to achieve that Jill likes you, once you achieve this, that is when she invite you, but if you reject this , then why should Jill not care about this rejection?. think of it as like an already existing Branching.
I might be wrong, but Bella has a similar "check". If you reject her help for cleaning your room, you shut down the Bella path.

This system alone is not bad at all, its actually realistic. You actively have to spend time and invest to the girls in order to achieve something with them.
What is complicating it, unnecessarily, is the Affinity system. However I do understand why that is exist, because the Affinity system also works beyond just the love storyline .

all in all, Jill have a path you have to follow, and if you deviate from that path, in a key moment, then you lost it.

I mean, that doesn't address my point at all, which is that it's incredibly out of character for kind and understanding Jill to drop this guy she's been smitten with for some time just because he couldn't go out with her with a really short notice. If it had been a planned thing then sure, we can talk about it, but come on.

She goes to his place, invites him out, and if the guy just so happens to want to keep to his word and go help out his friend ( ) then he's not boyfriend material.

Like i said, if you don't think it's an OOC moment then sure, we can spin it as Jill being so scared of rejection that such a minor thing would override her every good quality and matter to her more than her relationship with the MC as a whole, but it paints a rather ugly picture.

 

[ChipLecsap]

not quite the same thing eh.

in the case of Tommy and Heather, rightly or wrongly, MC has to decide for himself, he can't question either of them (indirectly Heather anyway lets him know she wants to know the truth). his moral judgment, or his dick, tells him to act in a certain way

in Jill's case, she in order to defend MC's interests does what MC expressly asked her not to do, she voluntarily goes against the request of the one whose interests she theoretically would like to do. MC's objection, that bringing it all out, might make his situation worse is not so far-fetched, at the party from the HOTs if the Jocks beat him up for good it would be Jill's "fault." but never mind the consequences: Jill determines that what she thinks is better than what MC thinks

Interesting take, but a bit unfair.
MC , is directly asked by Tommy to keep his mouth shut, just like the rest of the Dik. and yet as you said ,
his moral judgment, ( or his dick ) , tells him to act in a certain way.
You have to apply the same logic to Jill. You see her as third party , instead of the Main Character of her own Story.
You have to see Jill as the protagonist, and MC as the secondary character, and then you'll see, it's exactly the same, as MC and the Tommy case.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Bella and Jill, as I said Traditional relationship approach. You constantly work toward for it and each things move it one step forward, some decision is more important than others.
First you have to work toward to achieve that Jill likes you, once you achieve this, that is when she invite you, but if you reject this , then why should Jill not care about this rejection?. think of it as like an already existing Branching.
I might be wrong, but Bella has a similar "check". If you reject her help for cleaning your room, you shut down the Bella path.

This system alone is not bad at all, its actually realistic. You actively have to spend time and invest to the girls in order to achieve something with them.
What is complicating it, unnecessarily, is the Affinity system. However I do understand why that is exist, because the Affinity system also works beyond just the love storyline .

all in all, Jill have a path you have to follow, and if you deviate from that path, in a key moment, then you lost it.

I agree LI being different archetypes and tropes makes them unique and interesting, but from a purely narrative perspective both situations serve the same purpose, MC shares his woes about his mom and his birthday. Both are cool moments that brings the MC and the LI closer together but only one is an ultimatum.
Why is that, It can't just be that they are built different?

Now, we don't have the full story, but this leads me to believe that the Jill connection has to be big, not big enough to be mandatory main content, thats reserved for Maya and her loan , but big/cool/juicy enough that this aspect alone would warrant a Jill playthrough, just to be able to experience that type of a love story. Besides the obvious porn brain and achievements.

Let's see if I got this right... you play with fire by sticking your dick in everything that moves ( assumption alright... but if you were determined to go for Jill... you would go for Jill ) and are surprized when shit hits the fan and it's time for consequences... And ( OFC ) later you are the victim and wanna humiliate someone who did not go along with your masterplan... Is that about right ?!

Did not stick anything, in fact the only sausage in that room was on Sage's face.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I agree it's not quite the same thing, but in both cases, a person goes behind the back of another to "resolve an issue" that is none of their business.

Also, Tommy explicitly told the DIKs, "Don't tell Heather".

Whereas the mc only told Jill not to call an ambulance. When Jill mentions counsellors at college, the mc just responds with, "And say what exactly?".

So telling Heather about Tommy is actually a betrayal, telling Cathy about Chad is just annoying.

you missed the point

if I report Tommy's betrayal of Heather, I clearly don't care about Tommy, or I care more about Heather anyway. MC is denouncing Tommy

would be like saying Jill is betrayning Chad by meddling in his affairs; it doesn't make sense. Jill is betraying the trust of MC who asked her to behave in a certain way, she did not object and did what she thought was right

and that is regardless of who is right or wrong

I think Jill is right, but then if MC was being bullied for real by the Jocks I would have thought differently....

Interesting take, but a bit unfair.
MC , is directly asked by Tommy to keep his mouth shut, just like the rest of the Dik. and yet as you said ,
his moral judgment, ( or his dick ) , tells him to act in a certain way.
You have to apply the same logic to Jill. You see her as third party , instead of the Main Character of her own Story.
You have to see Jill as the protagonist, and MC as the secondary character, and then you'll see, it's exactly the same, as MC and the Tommy case.

same answer given already to Shazba

if MC denounces Tommy's betrayal what Tommy wants matters nothing, it is an action against him, what should Tommy do? bless it?

Tommy is the culprit on one side as is Chad on the other. their position is irrelevant
while Heather is the victim as is MC. their opinion and safety should matter more

of course MC may care so much about Tommy (for what reason?) that he wants to cover for him and that's fine, but if he denounces him with Heather can't wait for him to give his permission

 

[ChipLecsap]

I mean, that doesn't address my point at all, which is that it's incredibly out of character for kind and understanding Jill to drop this guy she's been smitten with for some time just because he couldn't go out with her with a really short notice.

Like i said, if you don't think it's a OOC moment then sure, we can spin it as Jill being so scared of rejection that such a minor thing would override her every good quality and matter more than her relationship with the MC as a whole, but it paints a rather ugly picture.

as I said, this is the projection of the players toward her based on one specific instance.
You assume how Jill should behave, and when she doesn't, you call it out of character.
people paint Jill into a different light, than what she truly is. And I won't deny, that this might be the case why DPC played a bit safe with her, because people have an image about her, so DPC in some case feed their image.
but it won't change that She should have Not react everything in the same way she reacted to an another thing.

 

[ChipLecsap]

you missed the point

if I report Tommy's betrayal of Heather, I clearly don't care about Tommy, or I care more about Heather anyway. MC is denouncing Tommy

would be like saying Jill is betrayning Chad by meddling in his affairs; it doesn't make sense. Jill is betraying the trust of MC who asked her to behave in a certain way, she did not object and did what she thought was right

and that is regardless of who is right or wrong

I think Jill is right, but then if MC was being bullied for real by the Jocks I would have thought differently....


same answer given already to Shazba

if MC denounces Tommy's betrayal what Tommy wants matters nothing, it is an action against him, what should Tommy do? bless it?

Tommy is the culprit on one side as is Chad on the other. their position is irrelevant
while Heather is the victim as is MC. their opinion and safety should matter more

of course MC may care so much about Tommy (for what reason?) that he wants to cover for him and that's fine, but if he denounces him with Heather can't wait for him to give his permission

so just to be clear, because I do admit sometimes I Have hard time to understand things . We agree that both MC and Jill, stick their nose in to something that none of their business, for their own self intrest?!

 

[felicemastronzo]

so just to be clear, because I do admit sometimes I Have hard time to understand things . We agree that both MC and Jill, stick their nose in to something that none of their business, for their own self intrest?!

they definitely do it for themself (Jill more selfless)

but there is also a victim and a perpetrator in both stories, you cannot equate the positions

Chad does not have the same rights as MC and Tommy does not have the same rights as Heather

 

[sixart]

Did not stick anything, in fact the only sausage in that room was on Sage's face.

 

[dalli_x]

and how exactly have come to know Jill?
Why you think that her standing up against bullying is automatically mean she need to be fine with that MC choose to not spend time with her.
I have to say, I often feel like people put Jill on some kind of piedestal by their own choice. and if she deviate from that image,, that's when they have problem with it. .

I have never put Jill on a pedestal and could not deviate from that image because as a player I have never considered Jill a LI and never will.

I see Jill as a good friend to my MC and that will not change. This is because Jill has good motives, but when it comes to her personally, she crosses boundaries within the scope of those motives.

That is my view, determined by my subjective preferences.

 

[ChipLecsap]

they definitely do it for themself (Jill more selfless)

but there is also a victim and a perpetrator in both stories, you cannot equate the positions

Chad does not have the same rights as MC and Tommy does not have the same rights as Heather

I simple yes would be enough. .
I do agree there is a bit difference between the two case, but thats is because of us, the players.
MC choice there is our choice. and it is really come to to simple fact that folsk want to fuck Heather,, and they might get one step closer if they "betray" Tommy.
maybe there should have been a third option of " it's not my business, or leave me out of it". Instead of a simple Yes or No, which only purpose is, you wanna bang Heather or not.

 

[lemonfreak]

I simple yes would be enough. .
I do agree there is a bit difference between the two case, but thats is because of us, the players.
MC choice there is our choice. and it is really come to to simple fact that folsk want to fuck Heather,, and they might get one step closer if they "betray" Tommy.
maybe there should have been a third option of " it's not my business, or leave me out of it". Instead of a simple Yes or No, which only purpose is, you wanna bang Heather or not.

Or they might want to betray Tommy and fucking Heather is merely a side benefit

#CuckTommy

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

MC choice there is our choice. and it is really come to to simple fact that folsk want to fuck Heather,, and they might get one step closer if they "betray" Tommy.
maybe there should have been a third option of " it's not my business, or leave me out of it". Instead of a simple Yes or No, which only purpose is, you wanna bang Heather or not.

Yeah, I wondered where DPC was going with the option to tell Heather about Tommy's tryst with Tania, but then when you can text with Heather afterwards, it definitely seems like the option to fuck Heather is going to become available. Definitely going to go for it in one of my playthroughs, though I suspect it will lead to disaster.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Or they might want to betray Tommy and fucking Heather is merely a side benefit

#CuckTommy

Well, that's one way to look at it . all in all is self interest. Whether it is right or wrong, we leave that to the Historians

 

[AchedCroissant]

Guys, are you talking shit about Jill and not inviting me?

 

[Lostanddamned]

Guys, are you talking shit about Jill and not inviting me?

We're trying to get Chip to talk shit about the retarded goblin.