dalli_x

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That doesn't sound about right. The way I see it, the affinity system would work is this:
Minor choises will still be up to us and we will similarly choose between DIK and CHICK options. Major choices will no longer be in our power and will automatically be given to us based on permanent affinity. And in this sense the affinities are no different.

But even if there is a system like you described, I don't see how Neutral is any different. According to you, if you're Neutral, you'll have Neutral and DIK/CHICK options depending on your gradient, and if you're DIK/CHICK, you'll have DIK/CHICK and Neutral options... But changing the order of addends doesn't change the sum. And being DIK/CHICK you can also find yourself in a situation where you don't like both options and have to choose the lesser evil.
Either I don't understand you, or nothing changes in this equation.

About the very concept of "neutral person." In the case of Being a DIK, I don't mean neutral like Switzerland (which, by the way, is taken very seriously) or Geralt of Rivia. I mean rarely do people act like a crazy aggressive party monster 100% of the time (DIK) or a "very mature" empathic snivel (CHICK). The former can slack off, fall apart, and the latter can get angry and punish the abuser, for example. Beware of a silent dog and still water, as they say. Would such a person be taken less seriously because of that? My experience shows that no.
So Neutral Tremolo is simply a more versatile character, not a follower or undecided.
Really read through the texts.

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It is clearly written that if you have a neutral affinity in the future, you sometimes get a DIK OR a CHICK selection in addition. I just wonder what the player gets in addition for a DIK or CHICK selection, because the player may not be able to use the additional DIK or CHICK selection at all because the selection is absolutely against the player's will. On the other hand, the MC definitely gets the NEUTRAL option if he is DIK or CHICK. It is complicated to explain this.

Let's take a purely fictional example for clarification. Sage is lying injured on the floor.

DIK affinity + NEUTRAL SELECTION:
DIK = Move on
NEUTRAL= Call an ambulance.

CHICK Affinity + NEUTRAL SELECTION:
CHICK = First aid
NEUTRAL = Call an ambulance

NEUTRAL affinity + ? Selection
(Here's the problem. Does the MC get an additional choice and if so, is it DIK or CHICK):

NEUTRAL = Call Ambulance
(This is all there is. Stupid to be friends with Sage and not help her personally. Only good so he can call an ambulance).

NEUTRAL = Call ambulance
DIK = Move on
(You have another choice, but still don't personally help Sage and call an ambulance. Or you can be a complete ass and just keep walking )

NEUTRAL = Call ambulance
CHICK = First aid
(You luckily got the CHICK choice and can actively give Sage first aid or call the ambulance).

I hope the made up example clarifies that from my point of view it is better to be a DIK or a CHICK. NEUTRAL to me is just to put a DIK or CHICK affinity into perspective. This is basically what EP8's Major Choice shows us as well.

Derek's Revenge:
DIK = The MC goes along
NEUTRAL = The MC doesn't stop Derek, but doesn't want to join in himself.
CHICK = The MC persuades Derek not to take revenge.

I have the options NEUTRAL and CHICK in my playthrough. I choose NEUTRAL because that's how Derek is and that's how my MC met him. Ergo, my MC accepts Derek as he is without the MC violating his CHICK affinity.

Cheat Sheet:
DIK = The MC studies the answers and puts the cheat sheet back.
NEUTRAL = The MC does not study the answers and puts the cheat sheet back.
CHICK = The MC does not study the answers and flushes the cheat sheet down the toilet.

On DIK, the MC puts himself and everyone else on the toilet list in danger. On NEUTRAL, the MC only puts everyone else on the WC list in danger. On CHICK, the MC puts only the person who did not prepare in danger. (Dawe.)

I always choose CHICK because only the one who made and hid the cheat sheet should be in danger. Why should those on the WC list suffer when only one acted stupidly. It is the decision of a leader. One is sacrificed for the sake of several.
 
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if you will be a good little sheep she might even give it to you

p.s. Amelia in my opinion is completely out of the possibilities
Eh, I have small amounts of hope that it's possible, like if you get in a relationship with her but start doing DIK MC things and get to fuck her mom.

Bianca is more interesting though - clearly she's interested in MC if he is on Jill's route, like she was practically eyefucking him during the concert. But more interestingly, on the Others route, we see Bianca's boyfriend cheating on her with that blonde woman from the dinner scene with Jill's friends.
 

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In a way, yes, but we have a situation like in many modern RPGs. We can choose some behavioral patterns and stick to a certain line, but we have a character with a predetermined character and problems that he gets into regardless of our behavioral choices. For example, Tremolo is involved in frat war regardless of affinity, which led to a lot of problems.
But by our decision, we can probably end or further fuel the connection war in the future.

Isabella explains it best.

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Eh, I have small amounts of hope that it's possible, like if you get in a relationship with her but start doing DIK MC things and get to fuck her mom.

Bianca is more interesting though - clearly she's interested in MC if he is on Jill's route, like she was practically eyefucking him during the concert. But more interestingly, on the Others route, we see Bianca's boyfriend cheating on her with that blonde woman from the dinner scene with Jill's friends.
likely that the issue will come up somehow, but not with MC protagonist (the one DIK sees knows neither white nor her boyfriend, the one CHICK sees nothing)

perhaps a distraught Bianca tries to break the relationship between MC and Jill to prove that "all men are equal"?
 
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likely that the issue will come up somehow, but not with MC protagonist (the one DIK sees knows neither white nor her boyfriend, the one CHICK sees nothing)

perhaps a distraught Bianca tries to break the relationship between MC and Jill to prove that "all men are equal"?
DIK MC might not know her, but if he helped Jill during the concert, Bianca still sees him and knows him as Jill's friend. He still doesn't know her boyfriend or the blonde woman anyway.

So that makes me think that Bianca might be an option in the Others' route, if you are a DIK MC, helped Jill at the concert and Bianca makes it clear that she wants that dick. :Kappa:
 

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DIK MC might not know her, but if he helped Jill during the concert, Bianca still sees him and knows him as Jill's friend. He still doesn't know her boyfriend or the blonde woman anyway.

So that makes me think that Bianca might be an option in the Others' route, if you are a DIK MC, helped Jill at the concert and Bianca makes it clear that she wants that dick. :Kappa:
But if mc isn't with Jill, Bianca is as good as any other minor side girl. What's the problem with having sex with her if you're in the 'others'?

The drama is only triggered with Jill and only with her will we have it.
 
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but the harem ending is possible?
no way... never ever is this game gonna end with a harem. Its already ruled out that you can be with more than two LIs at the same time after chapter 8. (and you can only with two LIs at the same time when you choose Maya and Josy... to be precise, you only can follow one route)

The closest thing to a harem would be the throuple with Maya and Josy, and maybe possible other relationships with some "sharing" or so... but not a real harem, its not happening.

Even if you choose the "others" path, which means not going for any of the main girls, i dont think there is anything close to a harem route...

The game is all about choices and the consequences. If you cant decide... than the game is not for you, if you want all the girls at the same time... wrong game too, and no a mod doesnt solve this, it will just screw up the savegame.
 
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But if mc isn't with Jill, Bianca is as good as any other minor side girl. What's the problem with having sex with her if you're in the 'others'?

The drama is only triggered with Jill and only with her will we have it.
Seems like you misunderstood my point - I meant as in a Bianca route in the Others branch.

Though the boyfriend's infidelity seems like a minor problem in Jill's path - it's not something that's going to majorly affect MC or Jill. There are more serious things to worry about in that path - like Jill's family.
 

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Bianca is more interesting though - clearly she's interested in MC if he is on Jill's route, like she was practically eyefucking him during the concert.
Yeah, Jill is just surrounded with so amazing backstabbing friends :LOL: , and they all start with B.:whistle:
first it was Bella, now it's Bianca, both are pretending to be so happy for her, but they can't wait for the opportunity, to back stab her, and fuck her man behind her back:LOL:
such a lovely girls:whistle::ROFLMAO:
 

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Really read through the texts.

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It is clearly written that if you have a neutral affinity in the future, you sometimes get a DIK OR a CHICK selection in addition. I just wonder what the player gets in addition for a DIK or CHICK selection, because the player may not be able to use the additional DIK or CHICK selection at all because the selection is absolutely against the player's will. On the other hand, the MC definitely gets the NEUTRAL option if he is DIK or CHICK. It is complicated to explain this.

Let's take a purely fictional example for clarification. Sage is lying injured on the floor.

DIK affinity + NEUTRAL SELECTION:
DIK = Move on
NEUTRAL= Call an ambulance.

CHICK Affinity + NEUTRAL SELECTION:
CHICK = First aid
NEUTRAL = Call an ambulance

NEUTRAL affinity + ? Selection
(Here's the problem. Does the MC get an additional choice and if so, is it DIK or CHICK):

NEUTRAL = Call Ambulance
(This is all there is. Stupid to be friends with Sage and not help her personally. Only good so he can call an ambulance).

NEUTRAL = Call ambulance
DIK = Move on
(You have another choice, but still don't personally help Sage and call an ambulance. Or you can be a complete ass and just keep walking )

NEUTRAL = Call ambulance
CHICK = First aid
(You luckily got the CHICK choice and can actively give Sage first aid or call the ambulance).

I hope the made up example clarifies that from my point of view it is better to be a DIK or a CHICK. NEUTRAL to me is just to put a DIK or CHICK affinity into perspective. This is basically what EP8's Major Choice shows us as well.

Derek's Revenge:
DIK = The MC goes along
NEUTRAL = The MC doesn't stop Derek, but doesn't want to join in himself.
CHICK = The MC persuades Derek not to take revenge.

I have the options NEUTRAL and CHICK in my playthrough. I choose NEUTRAL because that's how Derek is and that's how my MC met him. Ergo, my MC accepts Derek as he is without the MC violating his CHICK affinity.

Cheat Sheet:
DIK = The MC studies the answers and puts the cheat sheet back.
NEUTRAL = The MC does not study the answers and puts the cheat sheet back.
CHICK = The MC does not study the answers and flushes the cheat sheet down the toilet.

On DIK, the MC puts himself and everyone else on the toilet list in danger. On NEUTRAL, the MC only puts everyone else on the WC list in danger. On CHICK, the MC puts only the person who did not prepare in danger. (Dawe.)

I always choose CHICK because only the one who made and hid the cheat sheet should be in danger. Why should those on the WC list suffer when only one acted stupidly. It is the decision of a leader. One is sacrificed for the sake of several.
Okay, now I see what you mean. But I still disagree with your demonization of Neutral affinity, because if you're Neutral in an episode, Tremolo isn't behaving in any way indifferently at all. He's softer than DIK (for example, Neutral Tremolo would agree to grow a flower in Jamie's garden, while DIK would call it a faggot activity), but he's also not as soft as CHICK.
 
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Maya - Josy?
Josy - Maya?
Sage - Jade
Jill - Bianca
Bella - Cathy, but that was pretty early on. And probably Jade in the future.
Yes I think the throuple is doomed and that choosing either one of them will exclude the other. I’m not sure if the MC can recover Sage’s love from the Jade grenade.

Bella dislikes Jade, and has been repeatedly hit on by her husband, so I think any MC that has slept with Jade, and recorded the video on Bella’s path will probably face some drama. Jade’s rage is not going to help in the situation.

I consider Quinn to be a main LI for the others path, in that context Lily is competition.

I’m sure that characters like Heather, Elena, Riona, and Sally can also cause some havoc depending on the situation.
 
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Okay, now I see what you mean. But I still disagree with your demonization of Neutral affinity, because if you're Neutral in an episode, Tremolo isn't behaving in any way indifferently at all. He's softer than DIK (for example, Neutral Tremolo would agree to grow a flower in Jamie's garden, while DIK would call it a faggot activity), but he's also not as soft as CHICK.
I do not ask you to agree with my point of view. Everyone should play BaDIK the way they see fit.

You and I have only presented our different points of view.
 
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Okay, now I see what you mean. But I still disagree with your demonization of Neutral affinity, because if you're Neutral in an episode, Tremolo isn't behaving in any way indifferently at all. He's softer than DIK (for example, Neutral Tremolo would agree to grow a flower in Jamie's garden, while DIK would call it a faggot activity), but he's also not as soft as CHICK.
I think, a possible way to decide, what options Neutral will get, aka Chick or Dik, is which one of the scale you have more. You can be neutral but, you either made more chick or dik choice.
 
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