VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Mordreut]

I would apply Pascal's Wager to this one. Go with Team Pessimist, because if you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised, but if you're right, you were already bracing for it.

On the flip side if you go with Team Optimist, if you're right, congrats, but if you're wrong, you're in the foetal position by the time it arrives.

Ok, that's kinda the opposite to Pascal's Wager, but I couldn't think of anything wittier...

I fully agree with you, being pessimist saves you a lot of headaches and disappointments. And with BaDIK it's not be pessimist, it's being realistic

 

[Darkwen]

I would apply Pascal's Wager to this one. Go with Team Pessimist, because if you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised, but if you're right, you were already bracing for it.

On the flip side if you go with Team Optimist, if you're right, congrats, but if you're wrong, you're in the foetal position by the time it arrives.

Ok, that's kinda the opposite to Pascal's Wager, but I couldn't think of anything wittier...

Not sure if I count as Team Pessimist I think the update will come up in the spring which the way the status updates going that maybe on the optimist side

 

[DirtyMario]

5. Can't think of other stuff that I think is detracting from the game's enjoyment at the moment.

What about "incredibly overblown, useless and complicated timesink mini games that some people even felt the need to make excel sheets for because they influence the events success score"?
Dunno if that's a bummer for you but it sure is a bummer for me!

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Some minigames are fun for me ( the party planning), and some are odious at this point ( the school stuff). That being said, I wouldn't be mad if they got rid of everything

 

[BadassDolphin]

No new preview today?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Just a quick brainstorm.

Pros:

• MC doesn't rape girls in their sleep.
• MC doesn't drug girls in order to have sex with them (rape them in other words).
• MC doesn't accidentally fall over and slip his DIK into his sister (not technically rape if it's an accident, unless it's an "accident").
• MC doesn't spy on... Oh yeah, ok, he does spy on girls getting changed...
• MC tells girls he likes them if he likes them. Then they fuck.
• Girls often have their own agency and direction, they don't live for the mc's pleasure (but they are still accommodating).
• A huge number of the girls have their own distinct personalities.
• MC isn't a narcissistic cunt.
• MC doesn't have an Oedipus Complex (or does he... is it him or us that is looking at his naked mom's image through the diary )
• MC's dad is alive and he isn't a piece of shit.
• Episodes are HUGE.
• Comedy is very good.
• Music is very well selected (at least in the earlier episodes, it doesn't do much for me lately).
• The main plot is simple but engaging.
• Phone interface is well done.
• DnG (yeah you all know you love it, pretty sure the finale episode is gonna be one huge DnG game with all the guests at the mc's wedding).
• Flowing dialog that's an engaging read (plus don't get bogged down in walls of text where a good render will do all the talking).
• Good renders.
• Fine animations.
• Good pacing (except for the year wait between episodes now).
• And I personally like that there is extremely minimal narration, mostly it's just visual actions and dialogue. DPC indicated that narration is one of his weak points so he avoids it, but I haven't seen too many AVNs that narrate well anyway, and the dialogue driven story is more engaging to me anyway.

Cons:

1. Episodes take too long due to bloat (mostly unnecessarily long animations).
2. Episode 9's direction (random flashbacks are a horrible way to tell a story like this).
3. Longer and longer free roams are starting to turn the game into a pseudo sandbox.
4. Free roam navigation is utterly shit.
5. Can't think of other stuff that I think is detracting from the game's enjoyment at the moment.

The game is rated in the top 10 of this site for a reason, and has the most views, the most replies, the most reactions (to the first post), the most ratings, pretty much the most everything. And well deserved. But yeah, it's still fun to put the boot into DPC when we feel he's a LMMF. And for the Maya loan debacle!

+ pros:
1.Great work with emotional moments, maybe the best among all AVNs
2.Gameplay variability. Episodes are large and the game offers a change of activity, distracting from monotonous reading: the same free-roams, phone and mini-games serve to prevent the player from doing the same thing the whole game. Most episodes do it well except Ep.9

+1 to cons:
Some mini games are poorly made and annoying. New math test and the black cube are hell.

 

[felicemastronzo]

At their core, DIK and CHICK MC are the same, as seen with how he reacts to canon events. Either one is basically Neutral MC with DIK/CHICK leanings. Branching and how the player dynamically interacts with the world is very limited.

You can turn left (MG) or right (Others), but the roads curve and rejoin later (canon shit). And on either road, you can walk on the sidewalk (CHICK) or the street itself (DIK). Or the grass (Neutral), but it's all really the same thing.

DIK MC is not some hardcore thug or absolute dickhead. He's ruder, loves to flirt, more prone to fighting, and will choose to party rather than stay at home. But he's still a rather sensitive young man, who values his relationships, and tries to stay true to himself—whoever that may be. Just a more brash version of CHICK MC.

one step at a time you are getting closer to my position.

MC canon is not neutral but it is very Chick, and it is so predominant that the choices made about affinity all come across as quite contrived.

you talked about the importance of the picnic with Jill, which is so crucial in clarifying the feelings she has. AND YET, if Mc is DIK, after this pivotal moment, a couple of days later Jill realizes that he is not the right man and at that point his fate (??!) is sealed. doesn't that seem a bit of a specious decision?

 

[iamcomming]

It's not that she's rejecting him because he's helping a sick friend, it's that the perfect opportunity for MC and Jill to connect is now gone, and without it (and the subsequent interactions) she doesn't care for MC enough to give him a real shot.

It isn't negativity on her part, it's just the absence of positivity.

your point is good. well, it makes the whole scene stupid, where retarted mc cant say out a few words like "Jill, its good idea, i want it, but i have to caring a sick friend. come with me to Sage, 1-2 hour later we go to the picknick."

 

[yossa999]

It's not that she's rejecting him because he's helping a sick friend, it's that the perfect opportunity for MC and Jill to connect is now gone, and without it (and the subsequent interactions) she doesn't care for MC enough to give him a real shot.

It isn't negativity on her part, it's just the absence of positivity.

I would add that this is not only a missed opportunity to connect with Fuckface, but also her last chance (in near future) to clarify where they stand in their relationship. Remember, she gave in to MelonFucker's blackmail and promised not to contact Fuckface in any way for the next month or so.

And since Jill is a bit dense unhealthy honest, she would rather provide the watermelon services to Tyballs than break her word to the blackmailer given under the pressure. It is clear that she is in despair because her surprise has failed (and probably even she realizes that Fuckface is unlikely to wear a chastity cage for a month).

 

[Darkwen]

It's not that she's rejecting him because he's helping a sick friend, it's that the perfect opportunity for MC and Jill to connect is now gone, and without it (and the subsequent interactions) she doesn't care for MC enough to give him a real shot.

It isn't negativity on her part, it's just the absence of positivity.

It a scene Jill still hasn't live down and one of the main reasons a lot of people don't like her. DPC wanted a way to close off relationship with Jill but the way he didn't makes her look bad. I can get Jill being upset about MC not going with her after she planned something nice for him. Jill would understand about Sage being sick why couldn't they do something afterward it not like it going to take all day

 

[Chalk boss]

Regarding the "punishment" system. I've debated this one before. While the actual actions that make the mc a CHICK/DIK/NEUTRAL may not directly happen in front of everyone, they shape the kind of person the mc is, and that permeates into everything about him. So just because Maya & Josy don't see the mc walking away from a blubbering Steve (actually that's the worst example, Steve is a cunt, no one would have consoled him when he was sucking himself off in the closet). Anyway, just because they didn't see him doing the definitive DIK things, if he's a DIK by nature, they'll come to feel it, and may just not like it. He uses different words, is more haughty and all that shit. Maya is looking for a sensitive, girly boy: DIK mc is not that (except he still cries a lot).

Unfortunately, your whole theory falls apart in ep10. Even if the player is DIK and Maya rejected him earlier in ep4 and he is in no way compatible with her because she likes more sensual guys, she admits that she likes him. The player can ignore her the whole game, but all he has to do is choose the Others path, talk to her a few times and Maya is yours. She will forget that you have the wrong affinity as a player and that the logic of the game is that the game should dislike you.
I actually know why he's doing this. DPC most likely wants to throw the Josy/Maya path under the train of Massive DIK from Others, during which Josy or Maya will cheat on their girlfriend with MC causing them to break up. Well when they break up they will be open to threesomes and other things we love so much in the game.

I definitely have to agree on that. I can't even play other AVNs because their writing, characters, music and story suck compared to Being a DIK. This game is by no means perfect but it's without a doubt one of the if not the best AVN. I like to make fun of the MC a lot but in all honesty, he's probably also the best protagonist in AVNs altogether. It seems like every other AVN protagonist is either a ridiculously edgy teenager, some lapdog simply because they lack any further character development and all their dialogue is "Well, time to go to work again! We'll see what my employer's got for me today." or just otherwise uninteresting, bland and unoriginal as the developers are more concerned with their VNs revolving around the female characters instead of the protagonist himself because they aren't focused on the story of their games as much as DPC is focused on his. In BADIK, there's depth to the plot and you can say what you want about it but it's much better that way than all of it just being a series of boring, repetitious plot devices that lead to having another lewd scene by the end of it with that being the ultimate goal of every single one of them. There's also much more attention to detail in Being a DIK in general than there is in other AVNs at all, and even though the setting of it isn't anything new or special, it's still way livelier and entertaining because it's done by someone who's actually devoted to it and passionate about developing it. You know why DPC chose to make a game about college and its frat life. Likewise, you know why 'College Kings' has a similar milieu. BADIK is way more enjoyable than any other adult visual novel that I've played was.

You're wrong. There are a huge number of games in which MC is far more interesting. Fuckface is purely functional here, he plays the role of an observer. For example, Nika from Summer gone is much more interesting. He has a complex and contradictory character, you can't call him a good guy and you can't call him an outright scumbag. He has a lot of flaws and is annoying at times. But because he feels so realistic. MC in this game is too functional, he's a function character. He doesn't have any bright distinctive features, he has no personality, he's too gray and ordinary. But for a game like this, built on immersiveness, this is probably the best option.

 

[colombianhoes]

Had my first dream about this game and its not the one you think it is lol

So basically, MC and Derek got into a fight, both of them flew out the window, Derek died, MC survived cuz he landed on him lol

I was actually sad he died and made me even more grateful im such a loyal and great friend to Derek, even let him crash in my room.

 

[Darkwen]

Had my first dream about this game and its not the one you think it is lol

So basically, MC and Derek got into a fight, both of them flew out the window, Derek died, MC survived cuz he landed on him lol

I was actually sad he died and made me even more grateful im such a loyal and great friend to Derek, even let him crash in my room.

um thanks for sharing. *washing hands*

 

[Deleted member 6546851]

For example, Nika from Summer gone is much more interesting. He has a complex and contradictory character, you can't call him a good guy and you can't call him an outright scumbag. He has a lot of flaws and is annoying at times. But because he feels so realistic.

Yeah, okay. I already mentioned my dislike specifically for "ridiculously edgy teenager" type protagonists. Pretty sure that's the VN which starts out with him being held at gunpoint while he just calls the armed woman an "abomination" and an "underdeveloped creature" or something along those lines which is supposed to illustrate how little regard he has for his own life. Just came off as cringy to me. Then there was a scene in the hospital in which he doesn't wish a patient gets any better because he doesn't care about that either and after that he reveals to his sister that he's been having a hard time getting over the loss of his childhood friend that everyone else who knew this person got over fairly easily, at least when compared to him. This is supposed to be the reason he acts the way he does and let me tell you, it's laughable. That's what you consider to be peak character writing when it comes to AVNs.

 

[colombianhoes]

Maybe if he hadn't crashed in your room then he wouldn't have crashed into the ground.

I think thats what triggered it.

Cuz i always felt like the game is letting you being able to neglect him and there would be some kind of plot twist of how you were a bad friend or a DIK brother to him and not realizing his problems hence hes now depressed or something.

Cuz hes living in a closet, failing with every girl he tries, im not sure but i think you can be a bad friend to him or make him jelaous, he said he doesnt care about college but only Maya. Also probably cheated during that test, he could get expelled eventually. Who knows what else.

 

[JillybeanEnjoyer]

Had my first dream about this game and its not the one you think it is lol

So basically, MC and Derek got into a fight, both of them flew out the window, Derek died, MC survived cuz he landed on him lol

I was actually sad he died and made me even more grateful im such a loyal and great friend to Derek, even let him crash in my room.

That wasn't a dream, it was foreshadowing.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Just a quick brainstorm.

Pros:

• MC doesn't rape girls in their sleep.
• MC doesn't drug girls in order to have sex with them (rape them in other words).
• MC doesn't accidentally fall over and slip his DIK into his sister (not technically rape if it's an accident, unless it's an "accident").
• MC doesn't spy on... Oh yeah, ok, he does spy on girls getting changed...
• MC tells girls he likes them if he likes them. Then they fuck.
• Girls often have their own agency and direction, they don't live for the mc's pleasure (but they are still accommodating).
• A huge number of the girls have their own distinct personalities.
• MC isn't a narcissistic cunt.
• MC doesn't have an Oedipus Complex (or does he... is it him or us that is looking at his naked mom's image through the diary )
• MC's dad is alive and he isn't a piece of shit.
• Episodes are HUGE.
• Comedy is very good.
• Music is very well selected (at least in the earlier episodes, it doesn't do much for me lately).
• The main plot is simple but engaging.
• Phone interface is well done.
• DnG (yeah you all know you love it, pretty sure the finale episode is gonna be one huge DnG game with all the guests at the mc's wedding).
• Flowing dialog that's an engaging read (plus don't get bogged down in walls of text where a good render will do all the talking).
• Good renders.
• Fine animations.
• Good pacing (except for the year wait between episodes now).
• And I personally like that there is extremely minimal narration, mostly it's just visual actions and dialogue. DPC indicated that narration is one of his weak points so he avoids it, but I haven't seen too many AVNs that narrate well anyway, and the dialogue driven story is more engaging to me anyway.

Cons:

1. Episodes take too long due to bloat (mostly unnecessarily long animations).
2. Episode 9's direction (random flashbacks are a horrible way to tell a story like this).
3. Longer and longer free roams are starting to turn the game into a pseudo sandbox.
4. Free roam navigation is utterly shit.
5. Can't think of other stuff that I think is detracting from the game's enjoyment at the moment.

The game is rated in the top 10 of this site for a reason, and has the most views, the most replies, the most reactions (to the first post), the most ratings, pretty much the most everything. And well deserved. But yeah, it's still fun to put the boot into DPC when we feel he's a LMMF. And for the Maya loan debacle!

This is probably a personal pro, but I enjoy just about every character. There's very few, outside of the ones designed to be unlikable, that I wish would just drop dead (Madame Rose you oily fucking manatee)! And I also love all of the main girls, when normally theres be one or two that I don't much care for.

one step at a time you are getting closer to my position.

I'm gonna be honest, idk if it's you or me, but when we debate I sort of lose track of what exactly your point is

MC canon is not neutral but it is very Chick, and it is so predominant that the choices made about affinity all come across as quite contrived.

you talked about the importance of the picnic with Jill, which is so crucial in clarifying the feelings she has. AND YET, if Mc is DIK, after this pivotal moment, a couple of days later Jill realizes that he is not the right man and at that point his fate (??!) is sealed. doesn't that seem a bit of a specious decision?

your point is good. well, it makes the whole scene stupid, where retarted mc cant say out a few words like "Jill, its good idea, i want it, but i have to caring a sick friend. come with me to Sage, 1-2 hour later we go to the picknick."

I would add that this is not only a missed opportunity to connect with Fuckface, but also her last chance (in near future) to clarify where they stand in their relationship. Remember, she gave in to MelonFucker's blackmail and promised not to contact Fuckface in any way for the next month or so.

And since Jill is a bit dense unhealthy honest, she would rather provide the watermelon services to Tyballs than break her word to the blackmailer given under the pressure. It is clear that she is in despair because her surprise has failed (and probably even she realizes that Fuckface is unlikely to wear a chastity cage for a month).

It a scene Jill still hasn't live down and one of the main reasons a lot of people don't like her. DPC wanted a way to close off relationship with Jill but the way he didn't makes her look bad. I can get Jill being upset about MC not going with her after she planned something nice for him. Jill would understand about Sage being sick why couldn't they do something afterward it not like it going to take all day

It's like the Butterfly Effect, small things can have big consequences. Missing the picnic means losing out on Jill, even if it would make logical sense to postpone for even an hour or two. And a DIK picnic makes no difference in the moment, but Jill still has an overall impression of him outside that critical scene and it still leans negative in the end. Whoever had that analogy earlier of a woman being rescued by a handsome man or a homeless guy had the right idea, it's about much more than just making the right choices.

 

[JillybeanEnjoyer]

It's like the Butterfly Effect, small things can have big consequences. Missing the picnic means losing out on Jill, even if it would make logical sense to postpone for even an hour or two. And a DIK picnic makes no difference in the moment, but Jill still has an overall impression of him outside that critical scene and it still leans negative in the end. Whoever had that analogy earlier of a woman being rescued by a handsome man or a homeless guy had the right idea, it's about much more than just making the right choices.

You tell 'em, DPC!

 

[Better Cock Spock]

You tell 'em, DPC!

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm gonna be honest, idk if it's you or me, but when we debate I sort of lose track of what exactly your point is

The point, beyond the attempts at confusion, is clearly whether a mc dik and chick are really different or not.

The reaction of mc to Zoey does not seem to me to be as universal as the loss of his father might be.

Mc is pretty much the same, at most he is a victim of prejudice if we really want to continue to defend the affinity mechanism