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He comfortably makes a million a year, but refuses to pay 100$ or whatever the Prophets asked him for 2 songs. The guy just happens to be annoyingly obsessed with money. I don't understand his behavior as if he could go broke any moment.
Don't you just love when people pull random numbers out of their ass just to reinforce themselves in their prejudice?

(only an idiot would think it's worth to waste everyone's time asking for $50 per royalty-free use of a song)
 
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He has 13k patreons, including high tier patreons in 100$ and 150$ tiers. If we assume an average of 10$ (and I'm sure the number is higher than that, but let's just go with it for the moment), he makes 130k a month. The tax was something in the 20-21% range (someone mentioned it but I don't remember who it was). So even then, he's left with 104k after taxes and that's without the Steam sales alone.
Hmm, I don't see any reason why we should assume a 10$ average, even if he has a lot of high-tier patrons that seems like a lot.

The graph linked by anonnyscouse seems to indicate a higher probability of a average closer to 5$, and it would maybe also align slightly better with the monthly patron fluctuations. But yeah with around 10.000 + patrons for over a year at 60k. pr month (pre Steam, and GOG sales) minus 21% comes out to roughly 569.000 + $ in profits for the year. So yeah he's definitely doing well form himself and the game for sure fully financed, even if his patrons stopped supporting him.

Hopefully he will start a proper studio when he's finished with this one.
 

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Hmm, I don't see any reason why we should assume a 10$ average, even if he has a lot of high-tier patrons that seems like a lot.

The graph linked by anonnyscouse seems to indicate a higher probability of a average closer to 5$, and it would maybe also align slightly better with the monthly patron fluctuations. But yeah with around 10.000 + patrons for over a year at 60k. pr month (pre Steam, and GOG sales) minus 21% comes out to roughly 569.000 + $ in profits for the year. So yeah he's definitely doing well form himself and the game for sure fully financed, even if his patrons stopped supporting him.

Hopefully he will start a proper studio when he's finished with this one.
dont count on it. that would require he hire a team, which he will likely NEVER do. and of course he would also make less money if he had to pay other people. he has zero incentive to change his current setup
 

Garybaldi

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I can't seem to load or import any saves into the latest versions I'm doing what the instructions say but I'm not getting anything after the interlude... any suggestions?
 
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nyrek

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you shouldn't be getting anything after the interlude. ep. 9 is next and we're all waiting for it
 
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allanl9020142

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He has 13k patreons, including high tier patreons in 100$ and 150$ tiers. If we assume an average of 10$ (and I'm sure the number is higher than that, but let's just go with it for the moment), he makes 130k a month. The tax was something in the 20-21% range (someone mentioned it but I don't remember who it was). So even then, he's left with 104k after taxes and that's without the Steam sales alone.

He comfortably makes a million a year, but refuses to pay 100$ or whatever the Prophets asked him for 2 songs. The guy just happens to be annoyingly obsessed with money. I don't understand his behavior as if he could go broke any moment.
Wait so are those taxes applied from Patreon? How does that work? Or is it something like Patreon "taking their cut"? I'm kind of confused because that tax rate seems kind of low for that level of income.
 

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He has 13k patreons, including high tier patreons in 100$ and 150$ tiers. If we assume an average of 10$ (and I'm sure the number is higher than that, but let's just go with it for the moment), he makes 130k a month. The tax was something in the 20-21% range (someone mentioned it but I don't remember who it was). So even then, he's left with 104k after taxes and that's without the Steam sales alone.

He comfortably makes a million a year, but refuses to pay 100$ or whatever the Prophets asked him for 2 songs. The guy just happens to be annoyingly obsessed with money. I don't understand his behavior as if he could go broke any moment.

Assuming your number is right (and I suspect it is at least in the ball park), Patreon takes 5% (5-12%, but we'll make another assumption here), and taxes in Sweden on that much income would be around 50% total (progressive taxation, with the top percentage being 59% on everything over, I believe, double the average salary in Sweden.), so something like $800,000 a year. Which is still just fine, but DPC does live in a country with an actual social safety net, so you know....and you also have to account for the cost of doing business - his PC's are not inexpensive, and the electricity on 8 3090's running 24/7 isn't inconsiderable.

But no, the post he made said nothing about the Friday Prophets asking him for money - he has paid for plenty of songs. They asked him to remove their songs because they don't approve of the nature of the game. It wasn't a money issue, it was a moral issue. You can agree with them or not, but they get to make up their own mind over how their copyright is exploited. If they feel this doesn't represent their views on the world, it doesn't matter what kind of money he has. Musicians, for the most part, do not prioritize money, else they wouldn't be musicians!!! (Ours is the only profession where you will spend $5,000 on gear, which you put in a $500 car, to drive 30 miles, to play a $50 gig. It ain't about the money.)
 
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allanl9020142

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Assuming your number is right (and I suspect it is at least in the ball park), Patreon takes 5% (5-12%, but we'll make another assumption here), and taxes in Sweden taxes on that much income would be around 50% total (progressive taxation, with the top percentage being 59% on everything over, I believe, double the average salary in Sweden.), so something like $800,000 a year. Which is still just fine, but DPC does live in a country with an actual social safety net, so you know....and you also have to account for the cost of doing business - his PC's are not inexpensive, and the electricity on 8 3090's running 24/7 isn't inconsiderable.

But no, the post he made said nothing about the Friday Prophets asking him for money - he has paid for plenty of songs. They asked him to remove their songs because they don't approve of the nature of the game. It wasn't a money issue, it was a moral issue. You can agree with them or not, but they get to make up their own mind over how their copyright is exploited. If they feel this doesn't represent their views on the world, it doesn't matter what kind of money he has. Musicians, for the most part, do not prioritize money, else they wouldn't be musicians!!! (Ours is the only profession where you will spend $5,000 on gear, which you put in a $500 car, to drive 30 miles, to play a $50 gig. It ain't about the money.)
Ah. Ok that makes more sense. I was pretty confused when he was talking about Patreon and then immediately went to "after-tax income". I think that may also be a another reason (probably not the only reason) why he'd choose to work alone. The cost of having employees would probably take another decent chunk of that if income tax alone is that high.
Also, I think the gripe about DPC not giving them the amount they wanted for the rights to play their songs was just based off an off-handed remark someone posted around the time of that initial post. That one of the possible reasons was that DPC just didn't feel like paying them the amount they were asking for. Just a rumor that kind of snowballed.
 

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A real simple determination of DPC's earnings based on other popular AVNs that have disclosed theirs:
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So there's a good chance he's earning USD$30-80K a month (minus running and periodic expenses, Patreon's cut, etc.).
 

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Ah. Ok that makes more sense. I was pretty confused when he was talking about Patreon and then immediately went to "after-tax income". I think that may also be a another reason (probably not the only reason) why he'd choose to work alone. The cost of having employees would probably take another decent chunk of that if income tax alone is that high.
Also, I think the gripe about DPC not giving them the amount they wanted for the rights to play their songs was just based off an off-handed remark someone posted around the time of that initial post. That one of the possible reasons was that DPC just didn't feel like paying them the amount they were asking for. Just a rumor that kind of snowballed.
I mean, his post on the subject is public, so, you know, no need to theorize. They didn't want to be associated with this kind of game. It's just that so many of us have been so indoctrinated by the post capitalist hellscape we live in that they can't imagine ANYTHING isn't about money. But musicians have shown, over and over and over, that money isn't why they do it! The few musicians who do end up making money don't mean the rest are in it for the money. (They're in it for the chicks!!! I mean, for the Art.)
 

allanl9020142

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I mean, his post on the subject is public, so, you know, no need to theorize. They didn't want to be associated with this kind of game. It's just that so many of us have been so indoctrinated by the post capitalist hellscape we live in that they can't imagine ANYTHING isn't about money. But musicians have shown, over and over and over, that money isn't why they do it! The few musicians who do end up making money don't mean the rest are in it for the money. (They're in it for the chicks!!! I mean, for the Art.)
Lol but to be fair, 99% of the posts here are just people making wild theories since it's been a hot minute since the last episode.
I was just suggesting it was a baseless supposition some random guy made and then probably people who had some bone to pick with DPC decided to just run with it until it got to the point where other people are repeating it. As soon as the next episode comes out, no one's going to care lol.

Also just to make sure we're on the same page, it's not like I was taking part in it or believed it because:
1. Don't really care about some songs being taken off (they were some bops for sure but I'm ultimately indifferent)
2. At the end of the day, DPC can do whatever he wants with his game and money. As long as it's still fun to play, I'm still going to play it and actually buy it. and 3. There's always going to be minor gripes here and there about the guy but overall is one of the best AVN devs I've seen and he manages do it all by himself for better or for worse.
Was just more or less trying to examine how it might have got to that point.
 
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allanl9020142

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Idk man, I like the quality of the game but having 8 month long update cycles is really pushing it.
True. Hope it's not something that becomes a regular thing but it's hard to tell right now because the Interlude and some other things kind of pushed things back. For a while it had been like at least 2 per year. Which is still slow but most other games usually have small updates every few months or go radio silent for months at a time and you just kind of half expect it to be abandoned at some point but when you do get an update, it's not all that much either.
I mean you gotta admit, at least the guy communicates on a weekly basis and you can expect a fully fleshed out installment each update.
 

lordranhorny

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DIKs, i have a question,
is there any way to cheat in the game or use console commands to get the 2 points necessary from practicing Jill's song and be able to help her at the recital?
I would start from episode 6 but going through the mansion repair again? man, what a chore.
 
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