VN Ren'Py Between Two Worlds [Ch. 8] [Drooskati]

[Grizloy]

I swear, I'll never understand why people bitch and gripe about a game they've pirated not being exactly the game they want it to be.

You do realize that this game is currently free and was posted here by its author, right?

 

[desmosome]

Well, I wanted to wait a bit, but just went ahead and played it. This is some high quality work all around. I found the tone very standard for a porn VN with a charming, good natured MC with his well adjusted friends. The future tags hints at some juicy hardcore stuff, so I am very curious how it plays out. I will be pleasantly surprised if we can go from this chill group of friends playing pen and paper to stuff like blackmail, cheating, BDSM, Slave, Male/fem dom with some crazy corruption arc. I'd be slightly dissapointed if these hardcore tags are just some minor events that doesn't factor into the plot (limited to roleplay sessions within the game). Either way, I think this will be a hit. Good luck.

 

[Rinbael]

I swear, I'll never understand why people bitch and gripe about a game they've pirated not being exactly the game they want it to be.

I swear, I'll never understand why someone tries to take the moral high ground against piracy on a piracy forum used for the sharing and discussion of pirated games.

So according to you because people were discussing with each other what they liked and didn't like about a game they downloaded in a respectful way it's irrelevant because they "pirated" a game that the developer freely shared on his own.That's good to know I'm sure you feel very validated taking a moral stance against piracy on a piracy forum.

 

[Drooskati]

For those curious, this is a test animation I did a while back for future scenes. It was primarily done while learning how to animate in general, but still inside my game elements. This will not appear in game at any point, so I wanted to share. Just a look at where my plans are heading.

 

[Takkertje]

Wow , the bj is very nice done and the scene is really horny.
You've got my attention.
Hope the conversations stay as they are.
Stories incommon don't have my interest.
More raw sex please.
A dirty mind's a joy forever.

 

[linkinn]

So let me get this straight Hannah acts friendly toward her..wait for it..friend and tries to boost her confidence and everyone thinks she's flirting. I mean you're all acting like she shoved her hand down Skylar's pants.

Everyone sees things in a diferent way, i personally see it as a intro to whats to come, if it's just friendly it's not really relevant to the story so it must have a second reason to show those scenes, we might be misinterpreting some parts but then it's not our fault.

I can talk for myself and say that i'am tired of "every girl is bi" in basically every VN you play nowadays, that's why i'am sometimes more inclined to be frustrated and rant, not saying that this is the case here, but it does looks like.

And by no means i think the game is bad, its really good or else i wouldn't be posting here.

 

[Deleted member 3250193]

I swear, I'll never understand why someone tries to take the moral high ground against piracy on a piracy forum used for the sharing and discussion of pirated games.

So according to you because people were discussing with each other what they liked and didn't like about a game they downloaded in a respectful way it's irrelevant because they "pirated" a game that the developer freely shared on his own.That's good to know I'm sure you feel very validated taking a moral stance against piracy on a piracy forum.

You know what? You have a point. I've downloaded plenty of games here. But I also don't complain when the game isn't what I wanted it to be, because I got it for free.

If you don't like a game that you found for free, move on with your life and find another one. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of games here, and people constantly bitch about one game or another not being what they wanted. You can't tell me that isn't a little ridiculous.

 

[JC07]

Well, getting in the middle of your speech, I wanted to say something.

Not taking anyone's side, but let's look at it from a point of view that "complaints" can be taken as feedback.

Of course, come here and say the game sucks. And not talking about why you thought shit is idiotic.

But by saying, "DEV I don't like NTR, would that be optional?" it's a complaint and a request from a pirate player, but have you ever thought that if he does that, how many other players who share the same tastes could enjoy and even be interested enough to support the DEV?

If the DEV doesn't want to change, then life goes on, everyone goes their own way. So "complaining" even if you are a pirate can sometimes help the DEV get better and achieve better results.

So this is a pirate forum, where many here discover games and many of these pirates also support DEV. So "complaints" can help, but I repeat, as long as it is a "complaint" with grounds.

 

[linkinn]

You know what? You have a point. I've downloaded plenty of games here. But I also don't complain when the game isn't what I wanted it to be, because I got it for free.

If you don't like a game that you found for free, move on with your life and find another one. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of games here, and people constantly bitch about one game or another not being what they wanted. You can't tell me that isn't a little ridiculous.

It isn't rediculous, forums are for discussions, nobody is forced to read and that's why there is a ignore function.

You are going pretty off-topic here, atleast people that are talking about what they don't like are talking about the game and anyone can decide to read or not to read, take it seriously or not, it's not up to you to decide that everyone should only post good things here.

 

[MrFriendly]

You know what? You have a point. I've downloaded plenty of games here. But I also don't complain when the game isn't what I wanted it to be, because I got it for free.

If you don't like a game that you found for free, move on with your life and find another one. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of games here, and people constantly bitch about one game or another not being what they wanted. You can't tell me that isn't a little ridiculous.

We are getting them free, most of us, a few find their way to Patreon because of discovering the game here. I am not a great believer in the F95Zone as "marketing" argument, perhaps it has more validity than I was willing to consider. Of course the developer should tell the story they want to tell but if they didn't want feedback on their game there's no reason to show up here and engage with the pirate public. At least not until there is a completed game released to the public, except if the developer is trying to use F95 as a marketing tool to drum up their Patreon numbers. And if that is true then it should be expected that the pirates are going to want to express their hopes about a well made visual novel.

 

[Rinbael]

You know what? You have a point. I've downloaded plenty of games here. But I also don't complain when the game isn't what I wanted it to be, because I got it for free.

If you don't like a game that you found for free, move on with your life and find another one. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of games here, and people constantly bitch about one game or another not being what they wanted. You can't tell me that isn't a little ridiculous.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that people are complaining that a game isn't what they want it to be and aren't just discussing the what they liked and didn't like about the game but I will leave you to your fantasy. I will move on if I don't like the game but the game has just been released and I like what I have seen of it so far so I won't leave yet.

Also if people follow the rules of this forum they are free to post what ever they like it isn't up to you. I wasn't the one that came into another developer's game thread and derailed it to bitch about people posting their opinions and making up some fantasy of them complaining about said game. If you don't like people posting their opinion about games they played use the ignore function.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

We are getting them free, most of us, a few find their way to Patreon because of discovering the game here. I am not a great believer in the F95Zone as "marketing" argument, perhaps it has more validity than I was willing to consider. Of course the developer should tell the story they want to tell but if they didn't want feedback on their game there's no reason to show up here and engage with the pirate public. At least not until there is a completed game released to the public, except if the developer is trying to use F95 as a marketing tool to drum up their Patreon numbers. And if that is true then it should be expected that the pirates are going to want to express their hopes about a well made visual novel.

Every game I've ever supported on Patreon,I've pirated from F95 first.

 

[desmosome]

Well, getting in the middle of your speech, I wanted to say something.

Not taking anyone's side, but let's look at it from a point of view that "complaints" can be taken as feedback.

Of course, come here and say the game sucks. And not talking about why you thought shit is idiotic.

But by saying, "DEV I don't like NTR, would that be optional?" it's a complaint and a request from a pirate player, but have you ever thought that if he does that, how many other players who share the same tastes could enjoy and even be interested enough to support the DEV?

If the DEV doesn't want to change, then life goes on, everyone goes their own way. So "complaining" even if you are a pirate can sometimes help the DEV get better and achieve better results.

So this is a pirate forum, where many here discover games and many of these pirates also support DEV. So "complaints" can help, but I repeat, as long as it is a "complaint" with grounds.

It's not unreasonable to think like this. If I remember correctly, you also never came off as obnoxious like some others do.

I want to make a case here that asking for changes in the story is actually an unreasonable and self centered thing to do. The story is the soul of a game. This is the main area where the dev shows off their creativity. Unless we are talking about a gameplay focused game, all the other parts are there to execute the story. If the actions of the characters and events in the plot literally don't make sense within the setting, it's fair game for criticism. If the events are supported by the characters and the story, asking for it to change because it does not fit your tastes is selfish.

I'm going to go even further and say that complaining about forced LI and forced sex scenes is more intrusive than it seems. You might think, 'what's so bad about asking to make things optional?' 'It's not hard, right?' Actually, think about this carefully. When there is a forced LI or event in the plot, the dev can use this event to set further plotlines. There is a reason the game starts with a girlfriend. Because her relationship with the MC will almost certainly be integral to the plot. When you ask for this relationship to be optional, you are basically telling the dev to make 2 different games.

The bottom line is that we should really try to direct constructive criticism towards the technical side of things. English, grammar, writing, visuals, music, gameplay, and point out actual inconsistencies or plot holes in the script if they exist.

I am also guilty of pointing out a fetish or whatever sometimes because I am human. I do try to limit plot criticism to when characters actions are not supported by the script even with massive suspension of disbelief and porn logic.

 

[JC07]

It's not unreasonable to think like this. If I remember correctly, you also never came off as obnoxious like some others do.

I want to make a case here that asking for changes in the story is actually an unreasonable and self centered thing to do. The story is the soul of a game. This is the main area where the dev shows off their creativity. Unless we are talking about a gameplay focused game, all the other parts are there to execute the story. If the actions of the characters and events in the plot literally don't make sense within the setting, it's fair game for criticism. If the events are supported by the characters and the story, asking for it to change because it does not fit your tastes is selfish.

I'm going to go even further and say that complaining about forced LI and forced sex scenes is more intrusive than it seems. You might think, 'what's so bad about asking to make things optional?' 'It's not hard, right?' Actually, think about this carefully. When there is a forced LI or event in the plot, the dev can use this event to set further plotlines. There is a reason the game starts with a girlfriend. Because her relationship with the MC will almost certainly be integral to the plot. When you ask for this relationship to be optional, you are basically telling the dev to make 2 different games.

The bottom line is that we should really try to direct constructive criticism towards the technical side of things. English, grammar, writing, visuals, music, gameplay, and point out actual inconsistencies or plot holes in the script if they exist.

I am also guilty of pointing out a fetish or whatever sometimes because I am human. I do try to limit plot criticism to when characters actions are not supported by the script even with massive suspension of disbelief and porn logic.

99% agree with you...hahaha

But let's say this 1% is more my hypocritical and self-centered side. Like, I don't like NTR/share. But I play and have played games with these TAGs and they were unavoidable. In other words, they were indispensable elements of the story, and it wouldn't be what it is without these things having happened.

However, sometimes, I don't know if it's a daydream or simply the DEV thinks it won't bother him, he adds some things just to show his animation ability. Nothing important in the story, just to fill in the sexual content of the update. So I ask him if he could make these things optional, whoever wants to see it will see, whoever doesn't, avoids it. There will be no loss for the story and both sides can move forward.

And in cases where history imposes on us things I don't like, I just move on.

Most of the time when I ask to make it avoidable or optional, it's more when I can't see a need for it. Example, a not so recent game. It looks really cool, it has a very good proposal, but I think it could do several optional, avoidable or even remove things from the game, like the LI that takes the MC to live with it, puts him downstairs in the house to prevent something unwanted from happening between her, him and her daughter, detail that she kind of already created the mc when he was younger already has a certain affinity. But coming back, one night she brings a hooker and a gigolo home, the DEV gives her the option to watch or not, but after the act, the BBC walks around the house naked as if nothing was happening, goes to the mc and says that the hostess doesn't let him touch her. Basically that's what happens, and then I keep asking myself, what's the need for this? She puts the guy downstairs to make sure he has that sort of thing and lets a gigolo walk around the house naked? So stuff like that I think could be taken out of the game, it doesn't make sense and it's very contradictory, or at least the DEV could put a costume on the gigolo.

So yes, sometimes complaining about something can make the DEV see that some things are not needed. Damn, even R.R. Martin uses editors for his books.

But like I said, "valid complaints", I can't go here and tell Drooskati to do a single MC or for him to stop a girlfriend from "flirting" with her friend, what I can ask him is, if she keeps flirting, give us an option to break up with her. But I will respect his opinion if he tells me this cannot happen for any reason he thinks is fair enough.

It's his work, it's his story and nobody better than him to decide what's going to be in your project.

 

[MrFriendly]

99% agree with you...hahaha

But let's say this 1% is more my hypocritical and self-centered side. Like, I don't like NTR/share. But I play and have played games with these TAGs and they were unavoidable. In other words, they were indispensable elements of the story, and it wouldn't be what it is without these things having happened.

However, sometimes, I don't know if it's a daydream or simply the DEV thinks it won't bother him, he adds some things just to show his animation ability. Nothing important in the story, just to fill in the sexual content of the update. So I ask him if he could make these things optional, whoever wants to see it will see, whoever doesn't, avoids it. There will be no loss for the story and both sides can move forward.

And in cases where history imposes on us things I don't like, I just move on.

Most of the time when I ask to make it avoidable or optional, it's more when I can't see a need for it. Example, a not so recent game. It looks really cool, it has a very good proposal, but I think it could do several optional, avoidable or even remove things from the game, like the LI that takes the MC to live with it, puts him downstairs in the house to prevent something unwanted from happening between her, him and her daughter, detail that she kind of already created the mc when he was younger already has a certain affinity. But coming back, one night she brings a hooker and a gigolo home, the DEV gives her the option to watch or not, but after the act, the BBC walks around the house naked as if nothing was happening, goes to the mc and says that the hostess doesn't let him touch her. Basically that's what happens, and then I keep asking myself, what's the need for this? She puts the guy downstairs to make sure he has that sort of thing and lets a gigolo walk around the house naked? So stuff like that I think could be taken out of the game, it doesn't make sense and it's very contradictory, or at least the DEV could put a costume on the gigolo.

So yes, sometimes complaining about something can make the DEV see that some things are not needed. Damn, even R.R. Martin uses editors for his books.

But like I said, "valid complaints", I can't go here and tell Drooskati to do a single MC or for him to stop a girlfriend from "flirting" with her friend, what I can ask him is, if she keeps flirting, give us an option to break up with her. But I will respect his opinion if he tells me this cannot happen for any reason he thinks is fair enough.

It's his work, it's his story and nobody better than him to decide what's going to be in your project.

I'm ignoring that game now, it was too illogically written...

And I agree about valid complaints, I also think there is nothing wrong when someone says they hope that something is included or not included in the game. The comments that I don't like and think shouldn't be made are demanding or when people say a game is "shit". I don't have a problem with someone saying they don't like something and explaining themselves but a one or two line post that adds nothing but anger and resentment isn't helping anyone.

I know that an AVN is more difficult to write than a story due to the choices but I find it hard to believe every piece of the story for every one of these games has been fully written and detailed from beginning to end. I'm not saying that writers/devs should change things to fit the demands of the players, that's a terrible idea. But perhaps at least consider what people are suggesting as they write the story. Sometimes, rarely, people have decent ideas.

 

[HughGRectionxx]

is there gonna be a milf as an LI/Side girl in the future?

 

[Drooskati]

Just want to say thanks to those who have supported me so far. Also to those who have reported various typo's. All of them have been addressed. In addition, the splashscreen, main menu, and initial animation when you start the game have had their audio broken out of the video files, and are now separate, so that the mute function will work on those in the future.

I won't be doing an update for this though, because none of that is game breaking, and are very minor. The fixes will appear in the Chapter 2 release, which is in active development.

Thank you for all your kind words!

 

[orto23]

Just want to say thanks to those who have supported me so far. Also to those who have reported various typo's. All of them have been addressed. In addition, the splashscreen, main menu, and initial animation when you start the game have had their audio broken out of the video files, and are now separate, so that the mute function will work on those in the future.

I won't be doing an update for this though, because none of that is game breaking, and are very minor. The fixes will appear in the Chapter 2 release, which is in active development.

Thank you for all your kind words!

Do not want to pressure you into rushing, but I am just curious as to when we may expect to see chapter 2.

 

[Drooskati]

Do not want to pressure you into rushing, but I am just curious as to when we may expect to see chapter 2.

I am not setting a date in stone, other than to say right now I'm aiming for an 8 to 10 week cycle. I will refine it as it gets closer, and I'm 95% sure it'll be refined DOWN, not up. I'd rather be realistic and beat the estimate, than over promise and screw it up. I'm also aiming for each chapter to have 45 to 60 minutes of content.

Edit: Also note, I'm actively trying to get my hands on either a 3070, or preferably a 3080, which would increase the number of renders I can do per day by about 50%. I'm currently using a 3060 and a 2070 Super, which combined have about the same performance as a 3070 alone. I'm in the EVGA queue for a 3070 Ti, with ~5 minutes of queue time between current notifies, and my place in the queue. So hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We'll see!

 

[Kitchentable]

What great first release! Renders looking good.
Awesome animations. Proper english.
Good story telling. THe way the introduction that
this first release is, is really well executed.
Good looking character models. No ridiculous body proportions.

And naming the anyoing little brother "Eric"! Haha great!

Did I mention the awesome animations? No?
Well the animations are awesome!

What I like is that there are animations for little things too.
Not only in sex scenes but all over. Really improves the overall
quality of the VN greatly.

Oh and the dev got good taste. Mild Things, Rude Intenions, Night Of The Living Dead.

Really and truely a very promising first release. Looking forward to future releases.
Well done Drooskati and keep it up.