RPGM Beyond the Edge [v1.7.7.4] [Re-boner Ocelot]

[Harem Trooper]

I think the problem is that as an author I already know what will happen to the main character and I know what his relationship will be like in the future, but it seems like people who just discovered the game just don't understand anything and think it's a cuckold game. And that really pisses me off.

I created separate mini-stories for sex scenes that are not related to the main character at all and happen while the main character just doesn't give a fuck about it. He's just minding his own business while it's going on somewhere. He is aware of his abilities, but why on earth would he rape girls on his own. No one seems to see it the way I want them to.

While working on the last update I could not imagine that such words as NTR, cuckold, and voyeurism would be applied to my game. I'm personally against all these things and don't want it to look that way, but it seems like my vision of the game are too distinct from the main audience.

Mh. Its true since you the creator you already know how it will play out so you dont see it eye to eye as the player/viewer does.
You can explain what the game will be, what it will offer but it wont help much if you as the Creator dont know itself.
People can only jude what they saw and experienced, not what the future will bring. Even if you promise everyone what they want, it dosent mean they will get it since you as the creator your still a human and you also have your limits.

I get where you are going about a MC of not giving a fuck who fucks who. I get that the purpose of it so we as the Player dont have any connections to the sex scenes with specific fetishes (and for sex scenes of courses lol)
But the fact is, since all you do is only watching in these sex scene its just what are you doing, voyeurism.
And people would rather prefer not to only watch, but prefer to take action in it. Since its not a novel, but a game (RPG?), they expect at least to have a option there.
Since they dont, they feel cucked. Yeah I know, but thats how many people think, im one of them.
One another poblem is the Tag problem. Voyeurism is still missing and probably NTR. ( I explained why in my other post but it will save you from a flame war in this thread. Trust me)
From what I saw, the game is of a mighty being of a MC who dont think like a human being which why he dont mind watching other fuck. But if you as a player, which is a human, still see it, they will label it such as what they think it is. And in this case its watching others bang and there for voyeurism but also cucking if its a LI.

My guess is, if the game you imagine is to distinct from the main audience it shouldnt discourage you from creating it.
It probably will be a niche game, but you probably will also have some people who looking exactly for that.
And then you will have a small, but loyal fan base.
And if you want to create a different game for money, you can always do that in the end.
I personally found your game yesterday and I was interested in your art. For some reasons it reminds me of different one.
I like the RPG aspect but since I cant avoid specific sex scenes, and I mean avoid, not skip them, is a kinda a little thorn in my eyes.

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

Mh. Its true since you the creator you already know how it will play out so you dont see it eye to eye as the player/viewer does.
You can explain what the game will be, what it will offer but it wont help much if you as the Creator dont know itself.
People can only jude what they saw and experienced, not what the future will bring. Even if you promise everyone what they want, it dosent mean they will get it since you as the creator your still a human and you also have your limits.

I get where you are going about a MC of not giving a fuck who fucks who. I get that the purpose of it so we as the Player dont have any connections to the sex scenes with specific fetishes (and for sex scenes of courses lol)
But the fact is, since all you do is only watching in these sex scene its just what are you doing, voyeurism.
And people would rather prefer not to only watch, but prefer to take action in it. Since its not a novel, but a game (RPG?), they expect at least to have a option there.
Since they dont, they feel cucked. Yeah I know, but thats how many people think, im one of them.
One another poblem is the Tag problem. Voyeurism is still missing and probably NTR. ( I explained why in my other post but it will save you from a flame war in this thread. Trust me)
From what I saw, the game is of a mighty being of a MC who dont think like a human being which why he dont mind watching other fuck. But if you as a player, which is a human, still see it, they will label it such as what they think it is. And in this case its watching others bang and there for voyeurism but also cucking if its a LI.

My guess is, if the game you imagine is to distinct from the main audience it shouldnt discourage you from creating it.
It probably will be a niche game, but you probably will also have some people who looking exactly for that.
And then you will have a small, but loyal fan base.
And if you want to create a different game for money, you can always do that in the end.
I personally found your game yesterday and I was interested in your art. For some reasons it reminds me of different one.
I like the RPG aspect but since I cant avoid specific sex scenes, and I mean avoid, not skip them, is a kinda a little thorn in my eyes.

I think I may just remove 90% of content and leave only everything related to MC, but make these scenes very strong. So it will be a game with a few but long scenes, so if anyone want's to jerk off, it'll be perfect because there will be a good gap between gameplay time so you can focus on your abilities development, battles and story, and in some periods there will be very strong MC scenes designed just for you to relax and jerk off. That is just a quick idea that came in my mind, I'll probably loose almost every of the few people who supports me if I will remove all the "cuckolding" scenes, but that will be the way I could start over again. And made everything right. Just need to think about that.

 

[Harem Trooper]

I think I may just remove 90% of content and leave only everything related to MC, but make these scenes very strong. So it will be a game with a few but long scenes, so if anyone want's to jerk off, it'll be perfect because there will be a good gap between gameplay time so you can focus on your abilities development, battles and story, and in some periods there will be very strong MC scenes designed just for you to relax and jerk off. That is just a quick idea that came in my mind, I'll probably loose almost every of the few people who supports me if I will remove all the "cuckolding" scenes, but that will be the way I could start over again. And made everything right. Just need to think about that.

90% ? Damn, good I waited before I started.
I guess I see why people see it of MC being a cuck or why it is voyeurism. I thought it has some scenes...but this seems like the game has only this focus.

And no! Dont remove them lol. I mean if you want to "remove" them, just give the player the option to avoid it, or at least skip it.
So people who are into it can watch it.
If you have people who are paying you, you should listen to them first and them alone since they are paying you. If they fine with it then everything is ok but I wont change without having a talk first.

It seems the more I talk with you the more you kinda ruin your game you actually wanted so I shall not comment here any further. Dont let yourself to much influenced and create the game you want first, from there you can decide if your next game shall continue on your preference or create one where you can milk money.
Good luck bro

 

[drednote]

The MC didn't get involved in the sex scene all the time, so I got bored.

 

[BlindBigot]

Now that I have played the game, it certainly does feel like main character is an involuntary wingman. And it certainly feels kinda weird that he doesn't get almost any action, while everyone around him does.

 

[Parodos]

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Just played this a bit cause the good art got me interested, and also cause I wanted to see what plugins you were using lol. The whole see their mind and be tender/playful/dominant thing was neat.

I don't think you need to remove any scenes, especially not after putting in the effort into creating the art and so on.
You could add options.

For example the imperial soldier girl you meet in the beginning. After she runs off into wheatfield you can either:
Follow her - and there's a scene between the MC & the girl, and then you maybe add her to your pokemon collection
Keep going - and it's the original scene

Double the options means double the work though, so that's the downside.

Also, listening to people's feedback can give you cool ideas and good suggestions, but if you listen too much, you might end up going completely off-track, so better be careful

 

[BlindBigot]

I think I may just remove 90% of content and leave only everything related to MC, but make these scenes very strong. So it will be a game with a few but long scenes, so if anyone want's to jerk off, it'll be perfect because there will be a good gap between gameplay time so you can focus on your abilities development, battles and story, and in some periods there will be very strong MC scenes designed just for you to relax and jerk off. That is just a quick idea that came in my mind, I'll probably loose almost every of the few people who supports me if I will remove all the "cuckolding" scenes, but that will be the way I could start over again. And made everything right. Just need to think about that.

No need to remove anything. It would be better to balance it out with more scenes with MC participating.

 

[Mr Technician]

The "Thing" is i dont know why but i cant get it now out of my head, lol...

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

The "Thing" is i dont know why but i cant get it now out of my head, lol...
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Well, that's how battles in this game actually look like.

No need to remove anything. It would be better to balance it out with more scenes with MC participating.

Yes, at least I know that's what I'll be doing in the near future, scenes for mс. I'll think it over again and again before taking any action but for now, I think I will still give up most of the scenes without him, but not as quickly as I had planned. If I do it now, there won't be anything left in the game. Eventually I'll fill the game with scenes with the main character, and when there's enough of them, I'll just cut out the unnecessary content. Leaving the game with less scenes, but very beautiful and memorable. That way I can pay more attention to story development and quests, but at the same time, if the scenes are rare, they will be very high quality. Thanks for the advise.

Just played this a bit cause the good art got me interested, and also cause I wanted to see what plugins you were using lol. The whole see their mind and be tender/playful/dominant thing was neat.

I don't think you need to remove any scenes, especially not after putting in the effort into creating the art and so on.
You could add options.

For example the imperial soldier girl you meet in the beginning. After she runs off into wheatfield you can either:
Follow her - and there's a scene between the MC & the girl, and then you maybe add her to your pokemon collection
Keep going - and it's the original scene

Double the options means double the work though, so that's the downside.

Also, listening to people's feedback can give you cool ideas and good suggestions, but if you listen too much, you might end up going completely off-track, so better be careful

Hey, thanks for the advice. I actually played your game too when I saw it somewhere on this site and probably for the same purposes. Finding out what plugins another developer is using and stealing a couple is a part of our job, isn't it?

About two kinds of scenes, that's a really good idea, and in that case the game would make a pretty interesting replay mechanic or something to please everyone at once, But I'm afraid it will be such work, the results of which I won't like so I'll have to delete everything. But thanks anyway.

As I said before, I'm already sure I'll add many of the main character scenes, but everything else is still open to changes.
I guess the problem is that I've played quite a few porn games myself. I entered the world of these games with pure intentions, having no idea how much this engine is disliked here, no idea what most people considered as ntr or cuckolding in such games and no idea that most players have such strong bounds to the main character that must participate in all the actions.

 

[suyatna]

why i cant ask people in nearest village in neia quest? did i missing something or buq?

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

why i cant ask people in nearest village in neia quest? did i missing something or buq?

I'm sorry I haven't reply before. The Neia quest is still under construction and you can't finish it yet. When you open all of the currently possible scenes, you will be shown a notification that you have seen all of the content.

 

[RedPillBlues]

While working on the last update I could not imagine that such words as NTR, cuckold, and voyeurism would be applied to my game. I'm personally against all these things and don't want it to look that way, but it seems like my vision of the game are too distinct from the main audience.

The first one isnt applicable, the second is debatable, and the third, voyeurism is literally all the game is right now. I mean how else would describe the content? I mean some of it happens off screen like the first sex scene, but a lot are just the MC watching other people have sex. Currently most of the game is is the MC setting up sex for others and getting nothing in return. Which is fine, but when thats all the content you have in a current version you shouldn't be surprised when people assume thats going to be the majority of the game. Its all thats there. I mean you yourself admitted that the first part of the game will be just the MC watching other have sex, so I really dont understand you being against voyeurism when you've made it a majority of your game.

I mean you could have easily had the first fight end with her getting rid of her inhibitions and then leading to a sex scene with the MC. But instead she runs away and all you've done is paved the way for someone else's fun despite putting in all the work. And again if you want a game where the MC is a matchmaker thats fine, but you need to own it. And if you want to seemingly change some stuff you dont have to just get rid of all the art, just make it the MC. From what I read it sounds like you've written the whole story, but that doesn't mean you cant go back and change things right? Maybe the MC get curious about the Specter instead of the dude, it doesn't have to equal rape you know, you are the master of the world. You should look for anyway you can to not just throwaway the art if you want to get rid of the non-MC scenes later on, just make them optional or repurpose them.

I think what people really want is just a more active MC, and if your solution to that is to add some romance scenes with girls in a castle thats not going to help, because then people are just going to sit through a boring RPGM game for god knows how long till you get to the castle, then you get a few girls. What im really getting at is you should either go all in on you original idea where the MC is a entity who doesn't really do anything for most of the game and is instead just a god of matchmaking, or go in on the MC being an entity who uses his powers to woe and corrupt the women on his way and is most of the scenes. The issue with the first is that by the time you do reach the castle and finally have romance, will any of the player looking for romance be left? Probably not. The issue with the second is you have to rewrite some, and that its not your original idea. The idea of giving the players options might work as well, but would probably be a mess to implement.

If you do anything though could you please give us the ability to rename the MC pretty please?

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

I like the game so far.. great art.
Where do I find Neia though?

You won't find her, she is unfortunately non-existent now. But that is the last time I added quests to the game that weren't finished yet, honestly.

 

[Mr. Tentacles Potatohead]

You won't find her, she is unfortunately non-existent now. But that is the last time I added quests to the game that weren't finished yet, honestly.

thanks.. just scrolled past the previous post about it so i deleted mine

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

If you do anything though could you please give us the ability to rename the MC pretty please?

Okay, I'm not promising, but I'll try to add this feature, if not in the next, then in the next next update.

 

[suyatna]

I'm sorry I haven't reply before. The Neia quest is still under construction and you can't finish it yet. When you open all of the currently possible scenes, you will be shown a notification that you have seen all of the content.

no problem, i like game, this game remembering me roundscape adorevia game. thank you for reply

 

[juanito]

For example the imperial soldier girl you meet in the beginning. After she runs off into wheatfield you can either:
Follow her - and there's a scene between the MC & the girl, and then you maybe add her to your pokemon collection

+1

When I saw that soldier I thought she was pretty cute and was a tad disappointed when she went with another guy. Reminded me of Elana Champion of Lust, which is… ok I guess but I ended up skipping most sex scenes lol. But the scene where the inspector is alone was good, because she was alone, no other guy. And the scene let me think that the MC might interact with her in the future.

Even though I didn't enjoy that fact, the rest of the game is incredibly amazing. The art is top tier; the story is interesting (although a bit cliched, Empires are evil 99% of the time in fiction); I loved the hand drawn forest map sold by the girl (although I think it makes enemies reappear when using it?) and the magic book for kids, the magic system is interesting and the personality of the MC is mostly ok. His name is also fine, didn't bother me.

So I'm rooting for your success and I wish you a good creative journey.

 

[maverick@79]

no way to leave beginning artea last quest untainable save narea elf sister

 

[Re-boner Ocelot]

+1

When I saw that soldier I thought she was pretty cute and was a tad disappointed when she went with another guy. Reminded me of Elana Champion of Lust, which is… ok I guess but I ended up skipping most sex scenes lol. But the scene where the inspector is alone was good, because she was alone, no other guy. And the scene let me think that the MC might interact with her in the future.

Even though I didn't enjoy that fact, the rest of the game is incredibly amazing. The art is top tier; the story is interesting (although a bit cliched, Empires are evil 99% of the time in fiction); I loved the hand drawn forest map sold by the girl (although I think it makes enemies reappear when using it?) and the magic book for kids, the magic system is interesting and the personality of the MC is mostly ok. His name is also fine, didn't bother me.

So I'm rooting for your success and I wish you a good creative journey.

Thank you very much. It really warms my heart when people talk not only about the mistakes I made in this game, but also about what they really liked. I will try to work on my mistakes and make the game better.

But the scene where the inspector is alone was good, because she was alone, no other guy. And the scene let me think that the MC might interact with her in the future.

And he will. It may happen quite soon.

 

[denver2020fragment]

stuck, i moved some crystal and idk what to do now