Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.05.02] [Aleksey90]

[Kaiadas]

No, that's why I am asking how you get to that conclusion:

Can you enlighten me? Where do you get the data from to make such a statemen? Judging from your previous answer I guess there is no such table.

So how do you know what the silent payers want or the "ones who pay the biggest subscriptions and consequently choose where the game leads to"?
Where do you get your data from?

I think this guy answered your question before you even asked. Do you have any data that suggest the opposite?
The results speak for themselves anyway in many games not only this one.. how many games have been derailed by the wishes of high paying patrons and ended up a mess? It's not rare nor a conspiracy theory.. it's been discussed many times on many threads..

Patreon poll results are given in a spredsheet of every vote including a $tier column. So, the dev has this info at least.

 

[Nemo56]

Do you have any data that suggest the opposite?
The results speak for themselves anyway in many games not only this one.. how many games have been derailed by the wishes of high paying patrons and ended up a mess?

No I don't but I dont' make such conclusions, so I don't need it. Question is if YOU have access to such.
If not, then your statement is nothing but a hunch.
Also now you say that the high paying patrons who decide. Previously you said they are the ones who got punished.

 

[Nemo56]

Bye nemo, focus on click and go until the end of the world, playing the same game with 2 little different images every 6,5 months,ok ... we will have some other things to do ... he cant do it man

Bye
But I do something different: I play games, lots of them (currently I am finishing "Gibbous"). Once a update to BBAS comes out I play that. After that I return to other games. This way I don't "wait for months" and I hardly get disappointed. Right now I'm having coffee and a croissant, so I can spend some time on the forum.

 

[Kaiadas]

No I don't but I dont' make such conclusions, so I don't need it. Question is if YOU have access to such.
If not, then your statement is nothing but a hunch.
Also now you say that the high paying patrons who decide. Previously you said they are the ones who got punished.

again, you seem to have trouble understanding basic english.. read my reply again.. slowly, and try to comprehend what i'm saying.. if you still can't, try to translate it to your native tongue.. i can't help you beyond that..

 

[Nemo56]

again, you seem to have trouble understanding basic english.. read my reply again.. slowly, and try to comprehend what i'm saying.. if you still can't, try to translate it to your native tongue.. i can't help you beyond that..

Who can't explain or is missing arguments tells others that they don't understand.
Your making assumptions and have no actual data for your statement, I get it. No need to get defensive and insulting.

And here is how I came to that conclusion: The fact that I am questioning your post in a matter you seem to understand, makes your whole "native language" argument quite pointless. You would not understand my question if it was not written in english, would you? So I can only guess that it was meant to be insulting, you don't seem to be stupid ... but I might be wrong: All I wanted to know was where your data about the paying patreons comes from, that's all. Maybe you didn't understand my question after all, so my English might be bad indeed. In that case I am terribly sorry.

 

[Kaiadas]

Who can't explain or is missing arguments tells others that they don't understand.
Your making assumptions and have no actual data for your statement, I get it. No need to get defensive and insulting.

what kind of data are u asking for? U want me to send you the patreon spreadsheets or want me to hack into the Dev's account and give you his bank statement? what kind of proof do u need?
Also, the result is obvious.. patreon games are led by their subscribers.. obviously the more more you pay, the more influence u have on the direction of the game.. it's been proven time and time again on many projects in this here forum.. And again, it's my opinion, you can take it or leave it.. i haven't insulted you personally, it's obvious you have trouble understanding my replies, either because you can't or you don't want to.. how many times do i need to repeat myself on the same question?

 

[Pervie-Dan]

again, you seem to have trouble understanding basic english.. read my reply again.. slowly, and try to comprehend what i'm saying.. if you still can't, try to translate it to your native tongue.. i can't help you beyond that..

He asked you the question and you have not answered it at all. Maybe you should read the question again and then actually compose a reply instead of trying to distract.

First you ask him to disprove your theory for which you have offered no proof.
Then you offered a red herring by saying something about other games (which are neither here nor there, since they have nothing to do with this game or this dev).

In you second post you go ad hominem again.

3 logical fallacies in 2 posts, nice score.

Go through the patreon feed for Aleksey, there was only 1 polls this year that was only for $30 Patreons, all others were on cosmetic details (more outfits for Ann while doing yoga, old graphics or new graphics, more horror movies for Lisa) and open for all Patreons. I am excluding the 2 polls for the "Miss <month>" renders since those have nothing to do with the game.

You don't have a leg to stand on and you know it, that's why you go for the fallacies as distraction.

Furthermore, it is the burden of the speaker to be understood, not that of the audience.

 

[Pervie-Dan]

And again, it's my opinion, you can take it or leave it..

No, it was a statement of fact. And you have offered nothing to prove said statement.

You cannot go "In my opinion the earth is flat, you have to respect my opinion!", that's not how any of this works.

i haven't insulted you personally, it's obvious you have trouble understanding my replies

Disproving the first part of the sentence in the second part of the sentence.

 

[Nemo56]

what kind of data are u asking for? U want me to send you the patreon spreadsheets or want me to hack into the Dev's account and give you his bank statement? what kind of proof do u need?

If you already did that, why not. If you didn't, that means that you don't have any data, as I assumed.

Maybe next time start such statements with "in my opinion" or don't wait with "I don't have any information, it's just my opinion" for so many posts. Because you made your speach about the majority of subscribers sound as if you had information about them.

 

[Kaiadas]

Go through the patreon feed for Aleksey, there was only 1 polls this year that was only for $30 Patreons, all others were on cosmetic details (more outfits for Ann while doing yoga, old graphics or new graphics, more horror movies for Lisa) and open for all Patreons. I am excluding the 2 polls for the "Miss <month>" renders since those have nothing to do with the game.

Didn't you just prove my "assumption" is correct? If only high tier patrons get to choose on the one significant poll, how does this disprove my point?
And again, what am I to prove exactly? That high tiers have more influence than low ones? Ah yes, what a ridiculous "Logical Fallacy"

 

[Nemo56]

And again, what am I to prove exactly? That high tiers have more influence than low ones?

No, your original statement was that the high tiers get punished. That's what was written in your first post I was asking about.

 

[Gurzu]

.Black Panther. can you ckeck my save please?

All say finish blogging opportunies and i did but i cant move on

 

[Kaiadas]

No, it was a statement of fact. And you have offered nothing to prove said statement.

You cannot go "In my opinion the earth is flat, you have to respect my opinion!", that's not how any of this works.

Disproving the first part of the sentence in the second part of the sentence.

A statement of fact? Really? Did I issue a Government approved document to go along with my official "Statement" as well? I'll be sure to do that next time..
Also nice strawman there.. the notion that high paying subs have more influence is as ridiculous as calling the Earth flat..
And how ridiculous to assume that a non native-english speaker(as myself) has trouble understanding an english sentence, and repeats the question again ignoring the reply.. what an insult..

No, your original statement was that the high tiers get punished. That's what was written in your first post I was asking about.

Yes, they get punished along with the rest by getting underwhelming updates of a game they pay highly for. Is that so difficult to understand?

 

[Pervie-Dan]

Didn't you just prove my "assumption" is correct? If only high tier patrons get to choose on the one significant poll, how does this disprove my point?
And again, what am I to prove exactly? That high tiers have more influence than low ones? Ah yes, what a ridiculous "Logical Fallacy"

The one poll for $30 Patrons is titled "Preview selection..." from 15/4/2021.
Pretty sure it is related to either the character menu or the extras menu.

Even if we don't know what it relates to, the title "Preview selection..." does not sound like a "significant poll" in regards to the influence of $30 Patrons towards the game direction.

 

[Pervie-Dan]

A statement of fact? Really? Did I issue a Government approved document to go along with my official "Statement" as well? I'll be sure to do that next time..

Now you seem to have trouble understanding english. Or you want to misunderstand on purpose. Seeing your disingenious way of "discussion", I tend towards the latter,

"the high paying subs have more influence" is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact. It can be verified or falsified. "the influence of the high paying subs is too big" would be an opinion. No need to move the goalposts and get a goverment involvement in the mix.

Also nice strawman there.. the notion that high paying subs have more influence is as ridiculous as calling the Earth flat..

A strawman would have been if I connected the 2 statements like you have done. I used a ludicrous example of a fact that is proven wrong to hit home that "it's just my opinion" does not excempt the speaker from the burden of proof for his facts.

And how ridiculous to assume that a non native-english speaker(as myself) has trouble understanding an english sentence, and repeats the question again ignoring the reply.. what an insult..

The context read for me (also a non-native speaker by the way) very much like an insult was intended.
This is actually a very common insult among non-native speakers, making fun of the English proficiency of other people.

 

[Kaiadas]

Now you seem to have trouble understanding english. Or you want to misunderstand on purpose. Seeing your disingenious way of "discussion", I tend towards the latter,

"the high paying subs have more influence" is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact. It can be verified or falsified. "the influence of the high paying subs is too big" would be an opinion. No need to move the goalposts and get a goverment involvement in the mix.



A strawman would have been if I connected the 2 statements like you have done. I used a ludicrous example of a fact that is proven wrong to hit home that "it's just my opinion" does not excempt the speaker from the burden of proof for his facts.



The context read for me (also a non-native speaker by the way) very much like an insult was intended.
This is actually a very common insult among non-native speakers, making fun of the English proficiency of other people.

All opinions can be verified or falsified, or turned into official statements or dismissed as simple opinions..
How much weight is put into it, depends on the motivation of people who hold the opposite opinion, or to put it simply, how triggered the opposite party is.. It seems my opinion has hit a nerve, since you're trying hard to turn it into something else, or you have way too much time on your hands... Either way, I have better things to do than arguing on a porn forum.. So i'll repeat myself one last time...you can either ignore my opinion and live and let live, or act like a toxic little sh*t and keep picking apart my every sentence, in hope of earning brownie points with the Dev or whoever.. your choice..

 

[Brainy123]

How does it work with the cookies and undressing on startpage? Looks like I overread the instruction...

 

[Nemo56]

Yes, they get punished along with the rest by getting underwhelming updates of a game they pay highly for. Is that so difficult to understand?

My bad, it really was more about the aspect that they decide what will come. Apparently (I don't have any direct information) most voted for clothing options and alon in this update according to another post (I have to check it still) there are 400 new renders in this update, most for new clothing options.

Since we didn't get the "Extra" version yet, some of these might be locked still. Like the previous poster for example I could not find an option to change the clothing on the title screen.

 

[BYK370]

Seriously, Erik has a chance to return on the War Route ???

Hey man how far is your progress now? Did you reach the part where Max suggest Lisa to watch erotic movie and buy shirt for Alice?

 

[Deleted member 4446834]

I'm on the pretend to be friend path, how do I move forward with the latest update? How can I trigger the event to finally get rid of Eric?