Corambis

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To be honest, the way I notice things lately, Patreon isn't THAT hard on incest games, as long as the page doesn't openly advertise it.

All the games that have fallen untill now either had mentions to it on their pages or had "sugestive" titles.

So, they way I see, it's more of a "facade" thing.

As I said earlier, We'll see how it goes when other big titles like SS and DoD get hit, if they ever do (as their pages are quite clean and their titles aren't really sugestive).
The impression I get is that the first round was more focused on the facade part. If you changed the name of your game if it suggested incest at all, if you got rid of adult pictures from your public page, and if you never mentioned any taboo fetishes on that public page, you were good.

But now they do seem to be going after actual content in the game itself. I don't know if that was their plan all along, or something new. Either way, it suggests to me that they may not stop here. Their next big thing might be going after any character in an adult game that *could* be under 18.

Summertime Saga is a popular game, but my understanding is that incest is only a part of it. I think they're going to focus on the games focused on incest first, or with that as a primary theme.
 

Socratic

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I find it troubling that everyone is just accepting that just because patreon has decreed that BB cannot be posted there, DS is stopping development. I feel like I need to remind people that The game started development without funding, and has since made a LOT of money from peoples voluntary support. Based on the amount of content that was being added each update, it was clearly not a full time occupation for anyone involved so the "I need money to go full time" line was nonsense.

This is where we find out just how dedicated DS is to the game and more importantly the people who had donated thousands of dollars who are now being told that their investment and support was all for nothing. If he had any respect for the people who have supported him for the last 12 months, there should be no question that the game will be finished.
 

Walt Dee

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I’m just throwing this out there: Could DS turn the project over to someone to continue/wrap it up as a labor of love, maybe the seduction modders or someone?
 
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Nekron

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Hm, seems everyone is still hung up on the first step - denial. BB is a great project and it is unfortunate that it will go down like that. I just hope they will find some time to tie up loose ends and make everyone in the house freely fuckable after .13 is released.

@Thudy - do you realize what level of expertise is required to add new content to a project like this? Just keeping it stable and working with all the new events/variables etc. is mind-boggling work. Hopefully, @DarkSilver and his team will have time to develop a better scaling methodology, that would make it easier to add content to the new game.
 

przewodo

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Why not change to maker support and forget patreon
Maker Support Guidelines:

NSFW Content
Content considered "not safe for work" (NSFW) is permitted in posts on MakerSupport, but must be marked as such to prevent it from being shown to users under the age of 18.

Adult content may not be included in cover artwork or profile pictures, as those images are publicly visible without a content warning for underage users.

Adult content may not be monetized if it is pornographic in nature. However, adult content which is artistic in nature may be monetized. This will be judged on a case-by-case basis and creators will always be consulted before any changes are made to their monetization status.

We understand that this is very vague, so here are some general rules. Cartoons and depictions are nearly always acceptable. Real-life photos and videos of sexual acts are very often considered pornography.
 

Fragmandk

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Maker Support Guidelines:

NSFW Content
Content considered "not safe for work" (NSFW) is permitted in posts on MakerSupport, but must be marked as such to prevent it from being shown to users under the age of 18.

Adult content may not be included in cover artwork or profile pictures, as those images are publicly visible without a content warning for underage users.

Adult content may not be monetized if it is pornographic in nature. However, adult content which is artistic in nature may be monetized. This will be judged on a case-by-case basis and creators will always be consulted before any changes are made to their monetization status.

We understand that this is very vague, so here are some general rules. Cartoons and depictions are nearly always acceptable. Real-life photos and videos of sexual acts are very often considered pornography.
I know of some artist over there now and they have no problems and if you read the file instead of just posting you, that art is okay.
And 3d renders is art.
 
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Thora

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As I can no longer subscribe as a patron to support this great game, I thought I would spend a bit of my time and contribute something back.

Included below are some sentences containing potential mistakes with suggested fixes. I'm sure some people here are way better at this than me, so feel free to review and suggest your own.

-Thora-

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gahgahz

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I understand it.
And i really believe that you believe that Glamour is going to be amazing.

But after they are done with the No-No topics now, do you really think that that's it ?.
That they will leave you to work in peace?.
Come one, you can't be that naive..

I understand that Patreon is the only Rock Solid platform, but this stuff is happening since 5 or 6 months ago.
In my mind, that's more then enough time to create something alternative.
And it don't has to be as complicated as Patreon, but if just a couple devs would have put their hands together in de last couple months then there would be a "new" patreon already.
That is the thing that annoys me the most..... Instead of working together for something better, that almost everybody just decided to wait it out..

For the last couple of weeks a couple of previous collegues and me(financial support) are working on a concept for a adult site(2 of them used to work for Paypal so they know a little bit what they are doing) but that's obviously still a couple months from finished because there are many, many things we need to work out.
But we have done so many things in 3 weeks that i know for sure that a couple devs together could have created something already by now.
speaking of naivety i think you need to look closer to home.. you really think theres an easy fix to this?
 

Lykanz

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Did I correct understand there is no anymore version after 0.13 due Patreon problem ?
My cannon will be that after the events of 0.13 they died in a car crash. So there you have it, Lisa died a virgin and ascended directly to heaven.
 
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Asphyx

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I've seen a message he has received from Patreon. He can't mod it nor do anything with it. In case of DMD Dots has to even send idea for his new game to his reviewer to gain their approval so renaming won't give much I suppose. DMD was also modded and there is really well justified worry about all games with such a theme that were already suspended. Life is about money so devs will try to adjust themselves
Nothing personal here....But I simply do not believe even a single word of that!
Especially considering that many other games were in the same exact situation as DS is in now and all are now back (AFTER REVIEW) with minor tweaks and changes to their Patreon Page. One game (MotH) did a quick character readjustment to remove the incest. Others have added a Character naming routine at the start of their game that allows you to return the game to an Incest theme by simply naming the characters from default to mom, dad, sister, and brother.

And DS' statement I quoted below tends to prove what I'm saying

True words mate, if he really want to continue with BB he have alternative route to go, he can simple rename the game.
The Drop project it's not a option here it's just a wish.
It's work no matter what method he chooses. I can understand why he may be tired of making this game and just ready to move on (and put his work effort) towards something else.

I am going to throw this thought out here since I think it may have been missed by most if not all of us.

DS wants BB to die so they can work on something else.

He's already stated that he doesn't really "get" the whole incest angle.

But he felt obligated to do it since he made so much money off it .

So this would have been the way out for him as Patreon cracks down.
The Convenient Inconvenience theory? LOL
I agree with you to a degree that his interest in the game has waned and perhaps he is less inclined to put in the effort to save this game as he might have if he didn't have another game all ready to go on Patreon and start collecting funds.
That said let's be clear that DS didn't create this situation, he just ignored a situation others have been dealing with the last three months and Patreon finally got around to him and BB.
Now the question is (and I'm sure he is debating internally) is...
Does he like doing this game enough to make the effort or arrangement to keep it going either on Patreon or some other venue...
Does he finish the rest of the game and make a completed work without any monthly support so he can make money on One Off sales of the completed game.
Or does he just give us the V13, and leave the game as an uncompleted work and move onto a different game?

He's been told it's not moddable, and I don't really see a reason not to believe it. The game is pretty heavily incest centered, and even if you call them roommates, it still has a family vibe to it. Plus there is the blackmail stuff you mentioned. That's probably a contributing factor, and perhaps a major one. DS also mentioned Patreon had some lesser concerns with the appearance of some of the characters.
Like I said above...Other games have gotten away with making mods...I see no reason why they would single out this one. As for the content being blackmail there are so many games like that who aren't being reviewed by them I doubt highly that is a factor. And characters LOOKING young should not be a factor since the ages stated at the beginning are all of age.
The truth is what makes this game incest is all in the dialogue. So that is the only thing that really needs changing.
If they were all roomates or lived in a boarding house there would be no basis for Patreon to ban the product.
But that is a LOT of work to go over line by line and make changes and I'm not sure but the way he has handled dialogue and descriptions may mean that once changed to comply it might never be changed back.

If he manages to mod the current game in a way that it can be modded back to incest easily it could even be a blessing to us and to DS himself. He would no longer feel constrained by the Incest story that seems to inhibit him and simply concentrate of situations of sexual encounter he DOES feel comfortable writing. And we could easily mod it back to doing those things with a Family member if we want.


Well, it's a bit of misunderstanding. If I want to rewrite BB, I just have to explain how it will be changed and Patreon should approve it. And I've decided to step out.
I admit that I have been a bit of a critic of the direction of this game for some time but I do sympathize with your current situation and no CREATOR should be stopped from creating and finishing a product they started.

I think this might serve a good lesson to all future developers that each game should have a method for selecting or changing the names and relationships of the characters at the game start. Then the dev can never be called out for the relationships as the User selects them. This can all be done with just a few variables set at the beginning of the game.

Those variables being inserted into the dialogue when needed.
 

Ignazzio

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Nothing personal here....But I simply do not believe even a single word of that!
Especially considering that many other games were in the same exact situation as DS is in now and all are now back (AFTER REVIEW) with minor tweaks and changes to their Patreon Page. One game (MotH) did a quick character readjustment to remove the incest. Others have added a Character naming routine at the start of their game that allows you to return the game to an Incest theme by simply naming the characters from default to mom, dad, sister, and brother.

And DS' statement I quoted below tends to prove what I'm saying
Enter his discord and if you will scroll to messages from yesterday or 2 days ago you will find copy of message he has received. It's really strict. I dunno about other messages he most likely received. Situation has changed from what it was when MotH was suspended. But ofc If you don't believe me that's pointless to argue.
 

Asphyx

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Enter his discord and if you will scroll to messages from yesterday or 2 days ago you will find copy of message he has received. It's really strict. I dunno about other messages he most likely received. Situation has changed from what it was when MotH was suspended. But ofc If you don't believe me that's pointless to argue.
And yet we have DS' own take on that which seems to be very different from your version....

Well, it's a bit of misunderstanding. If I want to rewrite BB, I just have to explain how it will be changed and Patreon should approve it. And I've decided to step out.
 
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