Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Asphyx]

LOL. This is stupid. Nobody paid an employee a year's worth of salary in advance. And even if you got paid for a year, what that means is that your employer got one year's worth of work for you. Not "something I had better finish before the year" because the finish of a project depends on many different factors and not just your sheer willpower.

You paid DS for a year (assuming you are his patron from beginning), but how do you expect BB to finish? There are still so many loose ends that it would easily take 6 months or more to finish it. Your "I paid you for a year" does not equate to "it must finish in a year". If the end of BB is version 0.19, then it takes 18 months to complete, not 1 year. If he introduced more new storylines, then it will take even longer than 18 months. Still not 1 year.

It baffles me how petty some people can be. It's like going to a fancy restaurant and pay $300 steak and then complain that you could've got three hundred $1 tacos instead. It's your own free will and choice to be a patron and to spend what kind of money. If you can't afford $40/month pledge for DS, then don't pledge.

No it's more like saying a Steak costs $40 but because the chef couldn't finish it in time it costs you another $40!

It's this attitude that will shut down the Patreon Gravy train!
As customers get wise to this poor attitude on the part of some developers they will simply npot patreonize them until such time as a game is completed or close to it.

And what will they do for money then? Go find a job where they ARE required to finish a certain amount of work or they fire them and find someone else who does finish what they start?

 

[DankMemeLord420]

So I started the game and got about halfway through in 0.12 and now 0.13 came out I was wondering of I could use my old saves for the new update.

 

[dutchpete]

Big Brother by Dark Silver is no more.
Some loved it, some hated it.
But one thing stands out.
Lots of people played it and many gladly paid for it.
Who else has created an Eric, a name that now signifies a total douchebag.
It`s over before the end came storywise and me, I will miss it and keep this fantastic game on my hard drive for a long time and visit those great characters again and again.
Thanks Dark Silver for many hours of fun and frustration.

 

[Asphyx]

If people believe that they are not getting their money's worth, then they should definitely stop funding. I don't understand what you're saying. BB particularly has been in development for over a year and the incremental versions have been only up to 0.13. I'm not even discussing the length and/or quality of each individual update, which is a different topic altogether. By the looks of it, the v1.0 version which tends to be the Release Candidate at a rate of 1 update per month would be out in give or take 7 years from now.

If we assume this project was funded at 6k a month (which I'm fairly certain is much higher but for argument's sake I'm using this) then patrons payed 72.000$/y for a project that nominally was in alpha. If we further assume (word of the day) that it would take 7 years for this project to finish, we're looking at 576k/8y. Does this project look like something worth over half a million bucks to you? This is the only question that you really need to answer my friend.

People need to be more selective with which games they are willing to support. Just like Steam early access. Everything is a risk, but after a while you can easily discern the projects that make it and the projects that don't. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice shame on you. And considering past experience with DS (Glamour which was also abandoned), I already got fooled.

What I am saying is of Developers and their friends keep saying crap like this then people WILL stop funding their projects!
It's a poor attitude to have towards people who are giving you money ON A PROMISE then telling them I never promised you anything, I can stop and abandon you anytime I feel like it cause I only promised you a month!

How long before those Patreons start abandoning you back?

 

[Stareagle lord]

is the mod updated to 13? i wanna win what i can in the game and not waiting too long to get the real action.. x)

 

[Asphyx]

You're complaining about your own bad decision though.

You chose to spend $40/month on a patreon page. You got a $40/month worth of game update. Whether that $40/month amount is worth your money or not, that's completely up to you. You got what you paid for.

Be a man and take ownership of your own action. Don't be the guy that blame others for his own mistake.

And you got $5-10K worth of support in that month in total! Yet everyone only gets $40 of effort?
Is that what you think is fair?
Good luck keeping that money flowing to you!

 

[speedup]

So I started the game and got about halfway through in 0.12 and now 0.13 came out I was wondering of I could use my old saves for the new update.

my .12 save dont seem to work also i dont know if it will work

 

[Alfius]

I can buy any COMPLETED AAA game for about $40-60!
Tell me I'm getting my money's worth on a $40 monthly Patreon charge...How many renders are in this release again?

And my Analogy is dead on, because if he paid me for a year to do something I had better finish it before the year was out or he would likely fire me!

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

 

[Iggybousse]

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

Then if you commit to make a living out of it, you should also commit into delivering a finished product in the end.
If you do it for free, you do what you want. But don't ask people their money if you're going to be half assed about it.

You say there would be very few porn games available?
If they keep doing this shit to their patreons, they won't be able to actually get enough people to support them ergo no living out of it either... You get what you give. That simple.

 

[Alfius]

No it's more like saying a Steak costs $40 but because the chef couldn't finish it in time it costs you another $40!

It's this attitude that will shut down the Patreon Gravy train!
As customers get wise to this poor attitude on the part of some developers they will simply npot patreonize them until such time as a game is completed or close to it.

And what will they do for money then? Go find a job where they ARE required to finish a certain amount of work or they fire them and find someone else who does finish what they start?

So "Fire" him. Stop supporting him on Patreon.

 

[Alfius]

Then if you commit to make a living out of it, you should also commit into delivering a finished product in the end.
If you do it for free, you do what you want. But don't ask people their money if you're going to be half assed about it.

You say there would be very few porn games available?
If they keep doing this shit to their patreons, they won't be able to actually get enough people to support them ergo no living out of it either... You get what you give. That simple.

Yes you are correct. You get what you give. "You" as in the Patrons, are giving him say 20000-40000 per month.
And he is outputting a months worth of game content for that.

You can not expect a AAA game for 20000 - 40000 a month. Not even for 500 000 for the year.

 

[FartofRa]

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

What I am saying is of Developers and their friends keep saying crap like this then people WILL stop funding their projects!
It's a poor attitude to have towards people who are giving you money ON A PROMISE then telling them I never promised you anything, I can stop and abandon you anytime I feel like it cause I only promised you a month!

How long before those Patreons start abandoning you back?

Some of the developers stop their projects just because they got some money others because they want a new project, most of them however are getting <walls> indirectly from g@@gle because of marketing. Recently a website (fap-nation) was stopped and I am afraid f95 is probably a target. The more games we download from here or other sites like this, the more money g@@gle lose. BB project stopped because a new project (KATE) has begun.

 

[Iggybousse]

Yes you are correct. You get what you give. "You" as in the Patrons, are giving him say 20000-40000 per month.
And he is outputting a months worth of game content for that.

You can not expect a AAA game for 20000 - 40000 a month. Not even for 500 000 for the year.

If they make that amount of money and only provide the current content monthly, he's seriously screwing his patreons hahaha. Few images and a little bit of story every month, BOOM monthly content. No wonder more and more people try to jump that moneywagon... The trick is to lure suckers xD.

 

[JohnPonn]

Well i just finished v13 and to me this was the best uppdate ever
Brings a few tears to my eyes just thinking about what a similar uppdate about Lisa would have been like.. It's gonna be in my dreams for some time to come :heartcoveredeyes: :relievedface:

 

[Equanimity]

I dont get the hate on DS here. It's a very simple situation. DS needs money to create the game. When the money stops flowing because of Patreons bullshittery DS can't continue working on the game. But because he still needs to support his team and himself he is forced to start a different project.

Heck, he even released a bunch of extra content to make the job easier for modders in the hope that they would carry on his game. What more do some of you guys want?

 

[HerpaDerpington]

And you got $5-10K worth of support in that month in total! Yet everyone only gets $40 of effort?
Is that what you think is fair?
Good luck keeping that money flowing to you!

Look I get it. You are frustrated. But you have to remember Patreon is not Kickstarter. There is no upper limit, no initial pledging. You are literally paying someone's wage to deliver a promise/vision/project. Every Patreon campaign runs its own shindig, anywhere from $1 up to hundreds. Are you not sure that the x guy who you're supporting will deliver? Pledge one dollar for a couple of months and see how it goes. Worst case scenario, you gave 2 dollars away, hardly enough for a burger. We can keep tip toeing around this all night but this is how it works... for now. @Skylaroo summed it up in his previous posts.

 

[Iggybousse]

I dont get the hate on DS here. It's a very simple situation. DS needs money to create the game. When the money stops flowing because of Patreons bullshittery DS can't continue working on the game. But because he still needs to support his team and himself he is forced to start a different project.

Heck, he even released a bunch of extra content to make the job easier for modders in the hope that they would carry on his game. What more do some of you guys want?

I'm no patreon of DS but I can assure you they'll be losing alot of supporters if they won't finish it.
Leaving it to modders who do it free is a shameful way of doing business.

Doesn't really matter in the end honestly. Can't change what happens on Patreon, too few rules.

 

[Alfius]

Big Brother by Dark Silver is no more.
Some loved it, some hated it.
But one thing stands out.
Lots of people played it and many gladly paid for it.
Who else has created an Eric, a name that now signifies a total douchebag.
It`s over before the end came storywise and me, I will miss it and keep this fantastic game on my hard drive for a long time and visit those great characters again and again.
Thanks Dark Silver for many hours of fun and frustration.

I share your sentiment.
I loved the game, even when everyone was saying how bad it became.
This game was always grind, but have you guys ever played Super Powered???
I loved the rewards that came with the grind. Lisa suddenly having something to say after a week of doing boring shit.
Every time Kira had dialogue, you knew something was going down. And I had some LOL moments when Ann caught Max and Alice and then a couple of nights later were caught in turn by Alice. Hilarious.
I also loved to hate Eric. The game would be much worse without him. (I loved it when he was under MC control and would have loved that path to continue.) I mean what would Game of Thrones be without King Jeoffry?

I'm also would like the game to continue and was dismayed when I read about the Patreon shit.
I would love this game to continue, but having my own business I realize that you never fuck with cashflow.

People are rightfully angry (or disappointed like myself). The want to vent, but I think a bit of perspective is needed.
DS had a very difficult choice to make and made one that he felt could best save his situation.

Some Patreon feels betrayed and let down and it is obviously their right to drop their support for him. But he does not owe them anything. Maybe it gives adult games on Patreon a bad name so ultimately, that module of support might not be sustainable in the long run. Only time will tell. People need to remember that most small businesses fail as well. so it makes sense that a lot of porn game startups will fail. That is the nature of reality. To think otherwise is naive.

I hope DS returns to BB speedily, but only time will tell.

 

[Equanimity]

It's definitely going to cost him and anyone that doesnt like the new project obiously has no obligations at all to stay pledged. But at the end of the day even a third of the previous income stream is better than having it all taken away by patreon.

 

[Alfius]

If they make that amount of money and only provide the current content monthly, he's seriously screwing his patreons hahaha. Few images and a little bit of story every month, BOOM monthly content. No wonder more and more people try to jump that moneywagon... The trick is to lure suckers XD.

Look I'm pulling the number out of my Ass. I have no idea what he is making. What I'm saying is that he is given monthly income, for monthly outputs. so Patrons get what they pay for. He even state on his pledge page what you "get" for being a Patron. The reality is that lot of these games do not get finished so Patrons need to pledge with the possibility that this project might not get finished.