Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Alfius]

I can buy any COMPLETED AAA game for about $40-60!
Tell me I'm getting my money's worth on a $40 monthly Patreon charge...How many renders are in this release again?

And my Analogy is dead on, because if he paid me for a year to do something I had better finish it before the year was out or he would likely fire me!

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

 

[Iggybousse]

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

Then if you commit to make a living out of it, you should also commit into delivering a finished product in the end.
If you do it for free, you do what you want. But don't ask people their money if you're going to be half assed about it.

You say there would be very few porn games available?
If they keep doing this shit to their patreons, they won't be able to actually get enough people to support them ergo no living out of it either... You get what you give. That simple.

 

[Alfius]

No it's more like saying a Steak costs $40 but because the chef couldn't finish it in time it costs you another $40!

It's this attitude that will shut down the Patreon Gravy train!
As customers get wise to this poor attitude on the part of some developers they will simply npot patreonize them until such time as a game is completed or close to it.

And what will they do for money then? Go find a job where they ARE required to finish a certain amount of work or they fire them and find someone else who does finish what they start?

So "Fire" him. Stop supporting him on Patreon.

 

[Alfius]

Then if you commit to make a living out of it, you should also commit into delivering a finished product in the end.
If you do it for free, you do what you want. But don't ask people their money if you're going to be half assed about it.

You say there would be very few porn games available?
If they keep doing this shit to their patreons, they won't be able to actually get enough people to support them ergo no living out of it either... You get what you give. That simple.

Yes you are correct. You get what you give. "You" as in the Patrons, are giving him say 20000-40000 per month.
And he is outputting a months worth of game content for that.

You can not expect a AAA game for 20000 - 40000 a month. Not even for 500 000 for the year.

 

[FartofRa]

Fuck Mate, do some math.

A Tripple A game gets bought by 1 million+ gamers.
DS has does not even have 4000 patrons.

So your choices are Support devs on Patreon monthly for them to make a living.
or there are will be very few porn games available.
There are a couple of people (ArianaB and Tlaero etc.) that does it for the love of the games in their own spare time.

But most people would like to be able to make a living if the do it full time.

No need for you to support him, but he does not owe you shit.

What I am saying is of Developers and their friends keep saying crap like this then people WILL stop funding their projects!
It's a poor attitude to have towards people who are giving you money ON A PROMISE then telling them I never promised you anything, I can stop and abandon you anytime I feel like it cause I only promised you a month!

How long before those Patreons start abandoning you back?

Some of the developers stop their projects just because they got some money others because they want a new project, most of them however are getting <walls> indirectly from g@@gle because of marketing. Recently a website (fap-nation) was stopped and I am afraid f95 is probably a target. The more games we download from here or other sites like this, the more money g@@gle lose. BB project stopped because a new project (KATE) has begun.

 

[Iggybousse]

Yes you are correct. You get what you give. "You" as in the Patrons, are giving him say 20000-40000 per month.
And he is outputting a months worth of game content for that.

You can not expect a AAA game for 20000 - 40000 a month. Not even for 500 000 for the year.

If they make that amount of money and only provide the current content monthly, he's seriously screwing his patreons hahaha. Few images and a little bit of story every month, BOOM monthly content. No wonder more and more people try to jump that moneywagon... The trick is to lure suckers xD.

 

[JohnPonn]

Well i just finished v13 and to me this was the best uppdate ever
Brings a few tears to my eyes just thinking about what a similar uppdate about Lisa would have been like.. It's gonna be in my dreams for some time to come :heartcoveredeyes: :relievedface:

 

[Equanimity]

I dont get the hate on DS here. It's a very simple situation. DS needs money to create the game. When the money stops flowing because of Patreons bullshittery DS can't continue working on the game. But because he still needs to support his team and himself he is forced to start a different project.

Heck, he even released a bunch of extra content to make the job easier for modders in the hope that they would carry on his game. What more do some of you guys want?

 

[HerpaDerpington]

And you got $5-10K worth of support in that month in total! Yet everyone only gets $40 of effort?
Is that what you think is fair?
Good luck keeping that money flowing to you!

Look I get it. You are frustrated. But you have to remember Patreon is not Kickstarter. There is no upper limit, no initial pledging. You are literally paying someone's wage to deliver a promise/vision/project. Every Patreon campaign runs its own shindig, anywhere from $1 up to hundreds. Are you not sure that the x guy who you're supporting will deliver? Pledge one dollar for a couple of months and see how it goes. Worst case scenario, you gave 2 dollars away, hardly enough for a burger. We can keep tip toeing around this all night but this is how it works... for now. @Skylaroo summed it up in his previous posts.

 

[Iggybousse]

I dont get the hate on DS here. It's a very simple situation. DS needs money to create the game. When the money stops flowing because of Patreons bullshittery DS can't continue working on the game. But because he still needs to support his team and himself he is forced to start a different project.

Heck, he even released a bunch of extra content to make the job easier for modders in the hope that they would carry on his game. What more do some of you guys want?

I'm no patreon of DS but I can assure you they'll be losing alot of supporters if they won't finish it.
Leaving it to modders who do it free is a shameful way of doing business.

Doesn't really matter in the end honestly. Can't change what happens on Patreon, too few rules.

 

[Alfius]

Big Brother by Dark Silver is no more.
Some loved it, some hated it.
But one thing stands out.
Lots of people played it and many gladly paid for it.
Who else has created an Eric, a name that now signifies a total douchebag.
It`s over before the end came storywise and me, I will miss it and keep this fantastic game on my hard drive for a long time and visit those great characters again and again.
Thanks Dark Silver for many hours of fun and frustration.

I share your sentiment.
I loved the game, even when everyone was saying how bad it became.
This game was always grind, but have you guys ever played Super Powered???
I loved the rewards that came with the grind. Lisa suddenly having something to say after a week of doing boring shit.
Every time Kira had dialogue, you knew something was going down. And I had some LOL moments when Ann caught Max and Alice and then a couple of nights later were caught in turn by Alice. Hilarious.
I also loved to hate Eric. The game would be much worse without him. (I loved it when he was under MC control and would have loved that path to continue.) I mean what would Game of Thrones be without King Jeoffry?

I'm also would like the game to continue and was dismayed when I read about the Patreon shit.
I would love this game to continue, but having my own business I realize that you never fuck with cashflow.

People are rightfully angry (or disappointed like myself). The want to vent, but I think a bit of perspective is needed.
DS had a very difficult choice to make and made one that he felt could best save his situation.

Some Patreon feels betrayed and let down and it is obviously their right to drop their support for him. But he does not owe them anything. Maybe it gives adult games on Patreon a bad name so ultimately, that module of support might not be sustainable in the long run. Only time will tell. People need to remember that most small businesses fail as well. so it makes sense that a lot of porn game startups will fail. That is the nature of reality. To think otherwise is naive.

I hope DS returns to BB speedily, but only time will tell.

 

[Equanimity]

It's definitely going to cost him and anyone that doesnt like the new project obiously has no obligations at all to stay pledged. But at the end of the day even a third of the previous income stream is better than having it all taken away by patreon.

 

[Alfius]

If they make that amount of money and only provide the current content monthly, he's seriously screwing his patreons hahaha. Few images and a little bit of story every month, BOOM monthly content. No wonder more and more people try to jump that moneywagon... The trick is to lure suckers XD.

Look I'm pulling the number out of my Ass. I have no idea what he is making. What I'm saying is that he is given monthly income, for monthly outputs. so Patrons get what they pay for. He even state on his pledge page what you "get" for being a Patron. The reality is that lot of these games do not get finished so Patrons need to pledge with the possibility that this project might not get finished.

 

[AkitoH]

I dont get the hate on DS here.

I don't get why it's still going. What's done is done at this point. You live and you learn. Then again, I was never a patron of DS's so I can't empathize with their frustrations, but still.

 

[Skylaroo]

No it's more like saying a Steak costs $40 but because the chef couldn't finish it in time it costs you another $40!

Holy shit, I love it that you seem to have endless of bad analogies for this lol.

You don't even seem to understand that it's not DS couldn't finish it in time. Time is not the issue for DS because he has no deadline. He can finish it next month, or he can finish it next year, or he can finish it next decade. There is no deadline.

It's this attitude that will shut down the Patreon Gravy train!
As customers get wise to this poor attitude on the part of some developers they will simply npot patreonize them until such time as a game is completed or close to it.

If that's how you feel about your pledge, then it's completely OK. Be comfortable with what you pledge. Same with the creator. It's a free market. If people don't pledge (no demand), then creators simply don't create (no supply). If you want the project to go on, maybe people need to pledge to show enough demand for the creators to provide the supply.

And what will they do for money then? Go find a job where they ARE required to finish a certain amount of work or they fire them and find someone else who does finish what they start?

Maybe, why not? I don't understand why you have to exaggerate everything and make it sound like it's the end of the world. In a normal working environment, it's common for employees to to try finish a project before the deadline. It's also common for deadlines to be extended. It's also common that projects are scrapped altogether before completion. It feels like you never worked in your life before or something. All of those things are common occurrence. It's nothing special, it's not the end of the world.

And you got $5-10K worth of support in that month in total! Yet everyone only gets $40 of effort?
Is that what you think is fair?
Good luck keeping that money flowing to you!

You think DS only gave you $40 effort? Wow, you are hopeless if you think that way. Your pledge is not equal to the price of the service. Your pledge is just a tip to say thank you for his work. That's why it can be $40, but can also be $1. The amount is up to you. DS' work stays the same.

 

[wonahn]

My computer had big problem, so I lost all data. Someone can give me last save of V.12, please?

 

[enokard]

Don't you think it would be better to close this topic as @thanatos69 said ? It's just terrifying to see the topic going off in all directions.
@TCMS, please

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[JohnPonn]

And you got $5-10K worth of support in that month in total! Yet everyone only gets $40 of effort? Is that what you think is fair? Good luck keeping that money flowing to you!

Why do you insist on beeing hung up on the number 40$ when this is simply the exact amount YOU decided to pledge?
DarkSilver doesen't decide for anyone what what they pledge. He offers a 1$ pledge so if you don't have the money to spend (Waist), well don't spend it.

To compare we can look at mmorpg's and the typical monthly free subscription all older games had. I payed for diffrent games from the year 2000-2016 and never saw a dime in return. Hell i spent a fortune on World of Warcraft alone. I did read there ToS and disclamer tho.. "An online game can change at any moment and the story can change from one expansion to the next. It's a constant ongoing experience and we give no promiss of future content"
Worst case senario and this happend to me twice.. I payed and played a game i loved for more then 2 years and then an ingame notice came up one day saying... "We are closing the game down. Sorry" .. And that was it.:frown:

Thats basically what you do when you pledge. Pay a monthly fee for a product you currently play. Tho Blizzard pretty much decided what you had to pay and a Patreon is free to choose this amount on there own. Blame the quilty part here and face the music.. You did this to yourself. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to pledge anything.
Do i hate myself for the waisted money playing mmorpg's? Nope. I had a blast playing mmorpgs and i would have spent that cash on other things if i had not. It's simple priorities. Put your money where you think they will give you the most value back. Life happens anyways and we have no garanties in the end. Cheers

 

[Cyanide]

Sorry I just had to reply to you.

So the average person in a western Country works: 8 hours x 20 days = 160 hours per month.

According to what I see in the fan art section it can take 1 hour plus for a single render (Pros, please correct me.)
so for renders alone that is already 150 hours.
Now he still needs to pose his 3d models, I have no idea how long that takes, but I can not imagine that will be 5 minutes.
Then he still work on his plot and and writing. I'm sure that only takes 5 minutes....(not!)
There needs to be testing involved and debugging and debugging and writing actual code in unity. that must surely also only take 5 minutes.

Come on man!! Your dream of doing this work alone without working like a slave seems to be lacking some rudimentary math skills.

Yeah, I`m a morror probably.
On the other hand, you don`t actually sit there pushing buttons and shaking the mouse for the entire "rendering" time.
Whatever...

 

[booforyou]

What I am saying is of Developers and their friends keep saying crap like this then people WILL stop funding their projects!
It's a poor attitude to have towards people who are giving you money ON A PROMISE then telling them I never promised you anything, I can stop and abandon you anytime I feel like it cause I only promised you a month!

How long before those Patreons start abandoning you back?

Well any logical thinking person understands that Patreon wanted nothing to do with the content he put out and stopped it cold! So when that happens you have to change things. If his content on his next game is good, people will support him, if its not, then they wont, but the game will be in the rules of Patreon.

Again, if the game is good people will support, if its not, they wont, its simple really.