It's definitely going to cost him and anyone that doesnt like the new project obiously has no obligations at all to stay pledged. But at the end of the day even a third of the previous income stream is better than having it all taken away by patreon.
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- Sep 30, 2017
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Look I'm pulling the number out of my Ass. I have no idea what he is making. What I'm saying is that he is given monthly income, for monthly outputs. so Patrons get what they pay for. He even state on his pledge page what you "get" for being a Patron. The reality is that lot of these games do not get finished so Patrons need to pledge with the possibility that this project might not get finished.
- Mar 13, 2017
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I don't get why it's still going. What's done is done at this point. You live and you learn. Then again, I was never a patron of DS's so I can't empathize with their frustrations, but still.
- May 28, 2017
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Holy shit, I love it that you seem to have endless of bad analogies for this lol.
You don't even seem to understand that it's not DS couldn't finish it in time. Time is not the issue for DS because he has no deadline. He can finish it next month, or he can finish it next year, or he can finish it next decade. There is no deadline.
If that's how you feel about your pledge, then it's completely OK. Be comfortable with what you pledge. Same with the creator. It's a free market. If people don't pledge (no demand), then creators simply don't create (no supply). If you want the project to go on, maybe people need to pledge to show enough demand for the creators to provide the supply.
Maybe, why not? I don't understand why you have to exaggerate everything and make it sound like it's the end of the world. In a normal working environment, it's common for employees to to try finish a project before the deadline. It's also common for deadlines to be extended. It's also common that projects are scrapped altogether before completion. It feels like you never worked in your life before or something. All of those things are common occurrence. It's nothing special, it's not the end of the world.
You think DS only gave you $40 effort? Wow, you are hopeless if you think that way. Your pledge is not equal to the price of the service. Your pledge is just a tip to say thank you for his work. That's why it can be $40, but can also be $1. The amount is up to you. DS' work stays the same.
My computer had big problem, so I lost all data. Someone can give me last save of V.12, please?
- Apr 25, 2017
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Don't you think it would be better to close this topic as @thanatos69 said ? It's just terrifying to see the topic going off in all directions.
@TCMS, please
@TCMS, please
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- Nov 15, 2017
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Why do you insist on beeing hung up on the number 40$ when this is simply the exact amount YOU decided to pledge?
DarkSilver doesen't decide for anyone what what they pledge. He offers a 1$ pledge so if you don't have the money to spend (Waist), well don't spend it.
To compare we can look at mmorpg's and the typical monthly free subscription all older games had. I payed for diffrent games from the year 2000-2016 and never saw a dime in return. Hell i spent a fortune on World of Warcraft alone. I did read there ToS and disclamer tho.. "An online game can change at any moment and the story can change from one expansion to the next. It's a constant ongoing experience and we give no promiss of future content"
Worst case senario and this happend to me twice.. I payed and played a game i loved for more then 2 years and then an ingame notice came up one day saying... "We are closing the game down. Sorry" .. And that was it.:frown:
Thats basically what you do when you pledge. Pay a monthly fee for a product you currently play. Tho Blizzard pretty much decided what you had to pay and a Patreon is free to choose this amount on there own. Blame the quilty part here and face the music.. You did this to yourself. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to pledge anything.
Do i hate myself for the waisted money playing mmorpg's? Nope. I had a blast playing mmorpgs and i would have spent that cash on other things if i had not. It's simple priorities. Put your money where you think they will give you the most value back. Life happens anyways and we have no garanties in the end. Cheers
- Jun 3, 2017
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Yeah, I`m a morror probably.
On the other hand, you don`t actually sit there pushing buttons and shaking the mouse for the entire "rendering" time.
Whatever...
Well any logical thinking person understands that Patreon wanted nothing to do with the content he put out and stopped it cold! So when that happens you have to change things. If his content on his next game is good, people will support him, if its not, then they wont, but the game will be in the rules of Patreon.
Again, if the game is good people will support, if its not, they wont, its simple really.
- Nov 15, 2017
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All said and done....I now want to:
peep on Ann and Alice (and next it will be join)
join Alice and Kira (yes I know about the mods but WAI is better, just like the next step with Ann)
have Lisa catch Max and Ann
next sex-ed with Ann and Lisa
Alice punishing all of us together
Kira joining in all the fun and games
more films
the downfall of Eve and Olivia
I'm not greedypenedeyewink:
peep on Ann and Alice (and next it will be join)
join Alice and Kira (yes I know about the mods but WAI is better, just like the next step with Ann)
have Lisa catch Max and Ann
next sex-ed with Ann and Lisa
Alice punishing all of us together
Kira joining in all the fun and games
more films
the downfall of Eve and Olivia
I'm not greedy
penedeyewink:i installed the latest version and i copied my saves from 11.00.003 version....and there's nothing new in the game...why happened this???
Just don't support him. He was on 90% now 87.. He dosen't care abut BB. Other dews solved the patreon incest bullcrap. He's just lazy..
So is this the end of all or is it going to continue somewhere other than Patreon? If not, are modders going to keep it going? Nothing confirmed right?
It's a shame. From the incest games that i've seen, this one was one of the best. Can someone point me in the right direction if i want more of this genre? I tried a few games like DMD, but they all seem to be getting dumped.
It's a shame. From the incest games that i've seen, this one was one of the best. Can someone point me in the right direction if i want more of this genre? I tried a few games like DMD, but they all seem to be getting dumped.
- Nov 25, 2017
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Personally I found this game quite interesting but there were a few points that I actually found a bit lacking, mainly the NTR part of it because of the following:
-Eric romances the mother too fast (this is a minor thing but it should have been more gradual and something that you could intervene a bit, I think it would have been more interesting if Eric tried to get your help to enter into a relationship with your mother, having you say good things about him and giving you money/gifts for the help, on the other hand while refusing you could make it much more difficult for Eric having a bad relationship but with a money problem/other events).
-Eric is quite clear with you that he wants to have sex with your sisters too, however he isn't at any point even a bit proactive, you would expect that he would give gifts, pass time with the girls and try to make them fall in love with him while increasing his control over the mother, while you could try to intefere with it or create difficulties/problems, even at some point go full war.
-The same happens with Kira, this is the only part of the game that is truly netorare because you are having a sexual relationship with her and then he decides to blackmail her. Even more there is no development apart from the scene that he gets with Kira.
I would say that the NTR part in this game is quite bad because of that, I think that it only served to block for a time your routes with all girls, in fact if you take Eric away the game will have almost no changes.
-Eric romances the mother too fast (this is a minor thing but it should have been more gradual and something that you could intervene a bit, I think it would have been more interesting if Eric tried to get your help to enter into a relationship with your mother, having you say good things about him and giving you money/gifts for the help, on the other hand while refusing you could make it much more difficult for Eric having a bad relationship but with a money problem/other events).
-Eric is quite clear with you that he wants to have sex with your sisters too, however he isn't at any point even a bit proactive, you would expect that he would give gifts, pass time with the girls and try to make them fall in love with him while increasing his control over the mother, while you could try to intefere with it or create difficulties/problems, even at some point go full war.
-The same happens with Kira, this is the only part of the game that is truly netorare because you are having a sexual relationship with her and then he decides to blackmail her. Even more there is no development apart from the scene that he gets with Kira.
I would say that the NTR part in this game is quite bad because of that, I think that it only served to block for a time your routes with all girls, in fact if you take Eric away the game will have almost no changes.
BB was one of the greats of its kind.
A year ago BB got me into this kind of games when it popped up on Emp. Before that, the thought that a porn game could be exciting would not compute for me. Since then I've discovered f95 and lots of other great games.
BB got me to try it because of the quality of its renders. But the hook that kept me through the bitter end was the incest fetish. Porn videos have rarely explored this fetish properly as it requires way more acting and movie-making skills than what's usually available. A close third reason why I stuck with BB is its technical quality. Very often versions were rock stable from their first release and I've played by resuming from saves through 9 versions (v0.4 > ... > v0.13). This last feature is really amazing considering how easy it would be to have people run into dead ends if the dev doesn't really know what they're doing.
What I didn't like about BB is it became too much of a pointless grind. For the last few versions it was like DS didn't want to push the story forward in the incest direction even though it was an incest game. That sweet monthly pay was likely a strong stagnation enabler but I feel it was primarily that DS didn't want to dive the story into something truly perverted. He should've studied Lab Rats to see how it's done. Instead he focused on churning out a relatively small number of eye candy renders mixed with a pretty boring grind. BB was in a swamp.
BB's story has some really huge ups and downs. I liked the restrain of the characters against the unnatural sexual progression but DS managed to push that into completely incredulous directions. I also liked Eric. Rarely was I bothered by a video game character but this one worked my blood up to a boil and had me looking for the chainsaw and Quad Damage. Every good writer knows how to define characters in ways that bind them to readers' empathy. Once this voodoo doll is activated, the writer can strongly manipulate reader's emotions by simply adjusting what happens to the characters. Evidence shows there was no great writer behind BB but the story certainly had a few strong points and Eric was one of them.
I think I would've regularly paid $5-10 for BB. By far the no 1 reason I did not is the level of anonymity provided by Patreon. I know how long bank statements are archived, how utter shit Patreon's security is and how fast things can change in any country in a direction where something you did or say 10-15 years ago can come back and destroy you today.
So, @DarkSilver, thanks for the ride. I'm sorry to see BB go and I hope you are seriously looking for a way to finance yourself through payments that are more anonymous than what Patreon offers. I fully understand how mind numbing hard that is but I deeply believe the future is not bright in doing vanilla porn games censured by Patreon's Mind Police.
A year ago BB got me into this kind of games when it popped up on Emp. Before that, the thought that a porn game could be exciting would not compute for me. Since then I've discovered f95 and lots of other great games.
BB got me to try it because of the quality of its renders. But the hook that kept me through the bitter end was the incest fetish. Porn videos have rarely explored this fetish properly as it requires way more acting and movie-making skills than what's usually available. A close third reason why I stuck with BB is its technical quality. Very often versions were rock stable from their first release and I've played by resuming from saves through 9 versions (v0.4 > ... > v0.13). This last feature is really amazing considering how easy it would be to have people run into dead ends if the dev doesn't really know what they're doing.
What I didn't like about BB is it became too much of a pointless grind. For the last few versions it was like DS didn't want to push the story forward in the incest direction even though it was an incest game. That sweet monthly pay was likely a strong stagnation enabler but I feel it was primarily that DS didn't want to dive the story into something truly perverted. He should've studied Lab Rats to see how it's done. Instead he focused on churning out a relatively small number of eye candy renders mixed with a pretty boring grind. BB was in a swamp.
BB's story has some really huge ups and downs. I liked the restrain of the characters against the unnatural sexual progression but DS managed to push that into completely incredulous directions. I also liked Eric. Rarely was I bothered by a video game character but this one worked my blood up to a boil and had me looking for the chainsaw and Quad Damage. Every good writer knows how to define characters in ways that bind them to readers' empathy. Once this voodoo doll is activated, the writer can strongly manipulate reader's emotions by simply adjusting what happens to the characters. Evidence shows there was no great writer behind BB but the story certainly had a few strong points and Eric was one of them.
I think I would've regularly paid $5-10 for BB. By far the no 1 reason I did not is the level of anonymity provided by Patreon. I know how long bank statements are archived, how utter shit Patreon's security is and how fast things can change in any country in a direction where something you did or say 10-15 years ago can come back and destroy you today.
So, @DarkSilver, thanks for the ride. I'm sorry to see BB go and I hope you are seriously looking for a way to finance yourself through payments that are more anonymous than what Patreon offers. I fully understand how mind numbing hard that is but I deeply believe the future is not bright in doing vanilla porn games censured by Patreon's Mind Police.
- Oct 1, 2017
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Who was the sherlock again who said a female MC will be doing well and ensure DS staying on Patreon?
DS latest BB build. Patrons around 2900.
DS sets BB on hold and presents glamour. Patrons 2217
Yes this is totally going well for him.....
DS latest BB build. Patrons around 2900.
DS sets BB on hold and presents glamour. Patrons 2217
Yes this is totally going well for him.....
- Nov 25, 2017
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I feel mostly the same except that I found Eric quite an undeveloped character, that in the end he just became a block to all your routes and you had to eliminate him to follow the routes of the girls.
He never upgrades his relationship level with the sisters above good and his evolution with the mother leaves a lot to be desired and that's without talking about his relationship with Kira.
A lot of potential wasted there I must say.
I must say that it is normal to lose patrons in this situation, because it is quite different having a male MC and a female one. It changes almost everything.
He had 2 main types of supporters, the NTR followers and the incest ones, the latter he just deleted them, and the NTR is much weaker when you are in the rol of a female rather than a male.
That's because they put 1 million times the work into it!
And reverse that last statement of yours...
Will there be fewer games because people don't support the devs enough?
Or will that lack of support be BECAUSE of situations like this where they gave the dev over $480 a year and never see the end of the game they so loyally supported?
Bite the hand that feeds you once too often and you know what happens?
It stops bringing you food!
There will still be the same number of games being produced the only thing that will change is they will have to finish it before they see any money from it.