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Not what I meant. At all. In fact, you just reiterated my point. Obviously opinions differ, but read what I said. There are multiple sides to every story. You guys see one side. The people who don't self-insert view another side. Does it make them gay? No, it means they don't self insert as the female character. You do.
If you have to subtract a genre from BB to make your point, then you have no point. Fact is, BB is an incest game. You're self-inserting yourself into a sexy family filled with females and the mission is to fuck them. Am I right, or am I wrong?
If you can't play as a female character without self-inserting, that's your own problem. Doesn't mean others struggle to NOT self-insert like you do.
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1. As i said in a very long post before its not about self insert. Its about seducing men. And yes that is gay. You play to seduce men if you dont see the problem there i cant help you understand it. A normal hetero sexual men with no tendency to feeling attracted to other men has a problem with that.
If you dont that means 2 things. You are open for it which is totally fine or you are bi sexuall or gay which is also totally fine.
But dont assume every hetero is like that cause thats not normal
2. You dont even care to read the point so why again should i keep discussing with you in general? You attacked the most unecessary point i made in this debate. It doesnt matter if its about incest or not its about seducing women and not about seducing men. thats the whole point of said argument.
Sorry to tell you but if you have no problem with seducing men in a sexual video game yes that makes you gay. You constantly try to tell me watching a guide on how to seduce man doesnt make you gay or at least interested in experimenting.
Sorry but thats ridiculous.
PS: GO back 1 page and read my reply who almost took half the page thanks. All explained there.
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Except it does. Yes, when you boil it down, fact is, you're fucking women. But we're not looking at a boiled down product here. We're looking at the total package. Big Brother is incest. You're playing an incest game. Do you prefer sex if it's within the family? No. But you're self inserting as a brother of a sexy female family, though. Doesn't matter, right?
Same concept applies here. You play as the female character, but do you prefer sex with men? No, that's not what it means. In fact, lemme throw something at you real quick. I want your honest opinion here.
This is from Max's perspective. You'll get hard from this, right?
Now switch perspectives real quick. Alice is now the MC. Now, from your argument, this is a problem. Why? It's the same exact picture that made you hard before. And what's stopping you from inserting as the man in the situation? Seriously.
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Normally I would, believe me, I have essays here for days on this thread, but I woke up not too long ago and I'm still drowsy and not really in the discussion type of mood to begin with. Sorry, but I'm trying my best.
Dude, are you intentionally missing the point? Read again, he's saying that female MC would be okay if you skip the men seducing part.
If the main part of the games is to progressively seduce a man with all the details involved then for most people it can't be just ignored, if BB roles was switched and you would be a female MC left with all males, you're saying that most people would easily ignore it?
Glamour is a 180° turn yet you are saying that for most people it's not a big deal, there's a poll on patreon already...
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How so? Like I keep saying, I'm not inserting as the female character. I'm not sucking the man's dick. I don't get off from it. The FEMALE CHARACTER gets me hard. Watching the FEMALE in action gets me hard. Not seducing the man. I don't care about the guy in the scenario, because HE'S not the one I'm focused on. The FEMALE is. You called me out for being immature, for calling this notion of "playing a female character is gay" immature and one-sided, yet claim I'm gay because I view a scenario differently from how you'd view it. Can't have it both ways.
The point of the game is seducing men, and that is pretty gay. You can't try to go around it and twist the point of the game around. Its still gay.
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Max Perspective you get hard from this but not if its alice perspective? Nope. And i explain why.
From Max point of view you have a build up. She teases you, you follow her around. You tease her back you build up a relationship and sexual desire. The ball is handed back and forth and eventually she gives in to her desire and you as a player get the price of sexual intercourse with HER.
Now from alice point of view. She teases him and he teases back. Disturbing for me to watch. He teases her back which is story wise good im sure but for me again disturbing to watch as i dont see a women teasing my fantasy but a male. Disturbing. So a relationship builds up and sexual desire for one another. Well at least ingame im still disturbed over the fact that i just had seduce a guy. The ball is handed back and forth and eventually he gives in to his desires and you as a player get the price of sexual intercourse with HIM.
To me thats disturbing as fuck and no that picture wont get me hard. If you make the whole BB game from Ann or Alice point of view i can guarantee you not even half the patrons DS has right now.
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I hear you. And I get your point, please don't assume I'm dodging it or missing it entirely, cause I hear you. But like I've been saying, that's because you're self-inserting into the female's role and that's disturbing to you. What I keep trying to tell you is that not everyone inserts themselves as the female. Everyone does things differently. Not everyone plays a female character to get a man's rocks off.
It's like Lesson of Passion's Eleanor. I don't play to seduce guys. I play because Eleanor is sexy and the situations she finds herself in are fap worthy. I don't self-insert myself as a female seducing a guy. I can't. She's a fuckin female. But I do fap to her.
I don't play female characters to insert. I play to watch them in sexy situations. Why is that so hard to get?
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i dont want to interrupt and in no way i want to be involved in the argument but to be honest i understand both of you and in the end both of you a kind of right.
if i want to be emerged in the story i can't tollerate a female mc as a male because well...i am a male for gods sake.
if i just want to get off to some pictures and give a shit about the story (or at least about the game mechanics) i can live with a female mc because i dont care.
well thats all i wanted to say because i think you two are missing each others point.
if i am wrong thats fine and i apologize, like i said i dont want to get sucked into the discussion.
and sorry for my bad english, not my first language and i am kind of sleepy....
if i want to be emerged in the story i can't tollerate a female mc as a male because well...i am a male for gods sake.
if i just want to get off to some pictures and give a shit about the story (or at least about the game mechanics) i can live with a female mc because i dont care.
well thats all i wanted to say because i think you two are missing each others point.
if i am wrong thats fine and i apologize, like i said i dont want to get sucked into the discussion.
and sorry for my bad english, not my first language and i am kind of sleepy....
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Yes, if you insert yourself as the female. Fact of the matter is, regardless if you're a man seducing women or a women seducing men, you're still gonna fap to a picture that has a fucking guy in it, and he's either getting sucked off, or fucking a girl. But you fap to it. So you tell me homie, are you fapping to the girl, or the guy? You tell me.
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My point exactly. Thanks for the input. Don't worry about it, if you don't wanna get sucked in, just don't reply back. It's the easiest way to avoid these things. But that's all I'm trying to say. Both sides have a point. I'm not saying he's wrong. And I see his point. But he's not seeing mine.
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I should ask ya'll the same thing. I get his point. I'm wondering how ya'll still don't see mine.
He's playing the game to reach a certain destination. A female character as an MC in a game requires him to self-insert into that role, and that's gay to him, because he doesn't feel right seducing a man in the situation. I get it.
What I'm saying, is that ME personally, when I play games with female MCs, I don't play to hit the destination of fucking men. I play to reach the destination of seeing the female MC in sexy situations to fap to. It's a different mentally all together.
I seriously, seriously don't know how much clearer I can be.
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Well it's kind of interesting the argument however I think we should end it because it degenerated too much XD (and I don't think it would be useful from now on).
Mostly the main issue that people don't like female mc have is about "seducing males", to tell you the truth the problem is that they are basically thinking about an otome game, in which one we have a female MC and a group of boys trying to seduce her (or viceversa she seducing boys). Those games aren't targeted to male audiences.
The games that target males usually you are just having an adventure as a female however many people want to take advantage of the MC, you will find bandits and if you lose you get raped for example. It's not about seduction but about the sexy situations that the female MC finds herself into, the males playing the game just enjoy the multiple situations without taking the pov of the female MC.
Another important thing is that while having a female MC you can have lesbian relationships. I don't think anyone here would find that a problem.
I respect that there are people that don't like having a female MC, however people like @JohnPonn shouldn't call everyone homosexual because of that, it's very childish.
Mostly the main issue that people don't like female mc have is about "seducing males", to tell you the truth the problem is that they are basically thinking about an otome game, in which one we have a female MC and a group of boys trying to seduce her (or viceversa she seducing boys). Those games aren't targeted to male audiences.
The games that target males usually you are just having an adventure as a female however many people want to take advantage of the MC, you will find bandits and if you lose you get raped for example. It's not about seduction but about the sexy situations that the female MC finds herself into, the males playing the game just enjoy the multiple situations without taking the pov of the female MC.
Another important thing is that while having a female MC you can have lesbian relationships. I don't think anyone here would find that a problem.
I respect that there are people that don't like having a female MC, however people like @JohnPonn shouldn't call everyone homosexual because of that, it's very childish.
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Bro, I don't know how much clearer I can be to them. They're playing the game how it would normally be targeted. They don't want to seduce men. I'm not disputing that, cause I understand it.
But they keep going around my point. I'm not playing the game how it would normally be targeted. I'm not playing with the intention to seduce men nor am I inserting myself as the female in the situation. I'm playing to fap to the girl in sexy situations. But I'm missing the point. Yeesh.
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Well don't take it too hard on you, it's just that there are things that aren't easy to understand for others, for example think about fetishes for a second, one person may have a foot fetish and another one will call it gross, the one that doesn't have the fetish will never understand the one who has it. The most that you can do is just to respect other people opinnions and that's it.
I have played games with both female and male MC's, personally I prefer having a male MC however I can understand that others like to be the female MC, but someone who only plays games that he is a male MC would find it hard to understand. The optimal thing in those situations is just respect each other and don't try to continue the argument.
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What's to argue about? Some people just can't play a game without immersive themselves with MC so they don't understand female MC. Other who don't immerse so much can play it as an observers. All female MC's games are aimed for normal heterosexual guys and they are quite popular. Just different perspective.
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I prefer male MCs too. I'd agree with the example if it was a fetish situation. But it's not. It's as simple as fapping to regular porn. It ain't a "2 + 2 = 5 sometimes" kind of scenario. It's one that we all understand.
That's the easiest way to describe it, is that it's the equivalent to watching porn. I'm fapping to the sexy pic. Not the fact that she's seducing the man. That's what I want them to understand. It's a concept we all understand. I'm not playing the game traditionally.