AkitoH

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Max Perspective you get hard from this but not if its alice perspective? Nope. And i explain why.

From Max point of view you have a build up. She teases you, you follow her around. You tease her back you build up a relationship and sexual desire. The ball is handed back and forth and eventually she gives in to her desire and you as a player get the price of sexual intercourse with HER.

Now from alice point of view. She teases him and he teases back. Disturbing for me to watch. He teases her back which is story wise good im sure but for me again disturbing to watch as i dont see a women teasing my fantasy but a male. Disturbing. So a relationship builds up and sexual desire for one another. Well at least ingame im still disturbed over the fact that i just had seduce a guy. The ball is handed back and forth and eventually he gives in to his desires and you as a player get the price of sexual intercourse with HIM.

To me thats disturbing as fuck and no that picture wont get me hard. If you make the whole BB game from Ann or Alice point of view i can guarantee you not even half the patrons DS has right now.
I hear you. And I get your point, please don't assume I'm dodging it or missing it entirely, cause I hear you. But like I've been saying, that's because you're self-inserting into the female's role and that's disturbing to you. What I keep trying to tell you is that not everyone inserts themselves as the female. Everyone does things differently. Not everyone plays a female character to get a man's rocks off.

It's like Lesson of Passion's Eleanor. I don't play to seduce guys. I play because Eleanor is sexy and the situations she finds herself in are fap worthy. I don't self-insert myself as a female seducing a guy. I can't. She's a fuckin female. But I do fap to her.

I don't play female characters to insert. I play to watch them in sexy situations. Why is that so hard to get?
 

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i dont want to interrupt and in no way i want to be involved in the argument but to be honest i understand both of you and in the end both of you a kind of right.

if i want to be emerged in the story i can't tollerate a female mc as a male because well...i am a male for gods sake.
if i just want to get off to some pictures and give a shit about the story (or at least about the game mechanics) i can live with a female mc because i dont care.

well thats all i wanted to say because i think you two are missing each others point.
if i am wrong thats fine and i apologize, like i said i dont want to get sucked into the discussion.

and sorry for my bad english, not my first language and i am kind of sleepy....
 
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AkitoH

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The point of the game is seducing men, and that is pretty gay. You can't try to go around it and twist the point of the game around. Its still gay.
Yes, if you insert yourself as the female. Fact of the matter is, regardless if you're a man seducing women or a women seducing men, you're still gonna fap to a picture that has a fucking guy in it, and he's either getting sucked off, or fucking a girl. But you fap to it. So you tell me homie, are you fapping to the girl, or the guy? You tell me.
 

AkitoH

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if i want to be emerged in the story i can't tollerate a female mc as a male because well...i am a male for gods sake.
if i just want to get off to some pictures and give a shit about the story (or at least about the game mechanics) i can live with a female mc because i dont care.
My point exactly. Thanks for the input. Don't worry about it, if you don't wanna get sucked in, just don't reply back. It's the easiest way to avoid these things. But that's all I'm trying to say. Both sides have a point. I'm not saying he's wrong. And I see his point. But he's not seeing mine.
 

AkitoH

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Dude, are you intentionally missing the point?
I should ask ya'll the same thing. I get his point. I'm wondering how ya'll still don't see mine.

He's playing the game to reach a certain destination. A female character as an MC in a game requires him to self-insert into that role, and that's gay to him, because he doesn't feel right seducing a man in the situation. I get it.

What I'm saying, is that ME personally, when I play games with female MCs, I don't play to hit the destination of fucking men. I play to reach the destination of seeing the female MC in sexy situations to fap to. It's a different mentally all together.

I seriously, seriously don't know how much clearer I can be.
 

DawnCry

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Well it's kind of interesting the argument however I think we should end it because it degenerated too much XD (and I don't think it would be useful from now on).

Mostly the main issue that people don't like female mc have is about "seducing males", to tell you the truth the problem is that they are basically thinking about an otome game, in which one we have a female MC and a group of boys trying to seduce her (or viceversa she seducing boys). Those games aren't targeted to male audiences.

The games that target males usually you are just having an adventure as a female however many people want to take advantage of the MC, you will find bandits and if you lose you get raped for example. It's not about seduction but about the sexy situations that the female MC finds herself into, the males playing the game just enjoy the multiple situations without taking the pov of the female MC.

Another important thing is that while having a female MC you can have lesbian relationships. I don't think anyone here would find that a problem.

I respect that there are people that don't like having a female MC, however people like @JohnPonn shouldn't call everyone homosexual because of that, it's very childish.
 

AkitoH

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Well it's kind of interesting the argument however I think we should end it because it degenerated too much XD (and I don't think it would be useful from now on).
Bro, I don't know how much clearer I can be to them. They're playing the game how it would normally be targeted. They don't want to seduce men. I'm not disputing that, cause I understand it.

But they keep going around my point. I'm not playing the game how it would normally be targeted. I'm not playing with the intention to seduce men nor am I inserting myself as the female in the situation. I'm playing to fap to the girl in sexy situations. But I'm missing the point. Yeesh.
 
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Bro, I don't know how much clearer I can be to them. They're playing the game how it would normally be targeted. They don't want to seduce men. I'm not disputing that, cause I understand it.

But they keep going around my point. I'm not playing the game how it would normally be targeted. I'm not playing with the intention to seduce men nor am I inserting myself as the female in the situation. I'm playing to fap to the girl in sexy situations. But I'm missing the point. Yeesh.
Well don't take it too hard on you, it's just that there are things that aren't easy to understand for others, for example think about fetishes for a second, one person may have a foot fetish and another one will call it gross, the one that doesn't have the fetish will never understand the one who has it. The most that you can do is just to respect other people opinnions and that's it.

I have played games with both female and male MC's, personally I prefer having a male MC however I can understand that others like to be the female MC, but someone who only plays games that he is a male MC would find it hard to understand. The optimal thing in those situations is just respect each other and don't try to continue the argument.
 

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What's to argue about? Some people just can't play a game without immersive themselves with MC so they don't understand female MC. Other who don't immerse so much can play it as an observers. All female MC's games are aimed for normal heterosexual guys and they are quite popular. Just different perspective.
 

AkitoH

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Well don't take it too hard on you, it's just that there are things that aren't easy to understand for others, for example think about fetishes for a second, one person may have a foot fetish and another one will call it gross, the one that doesn't have the fetish will never understand the one who has it. The most that you can do is just to respect other people opinnions and that's it.

I have played games with both female and male MC's, personally I prefer having a male MC however I can understand that others like to be the female MC, but someone who only plays games that he is a male MC would find it hard to understand. The optimal thing in those situations is just respect each other and don't try to continue the argument.
I prefer male MCs too. I'd agree with the example if it was a fetish situation. But it's not. It's as simple as fapping to regular porn. It ain't a "2 + 2 = 5 sometimes" kind of scenario. It's one that we all understand.

That's the easiest way to describe it, is that it's the equivalent to watching porn. I'm fapping to the sexy pic. Not the fact that she's seducing the man. That's what I want them to understand. It's a concept we all understand. I'm not playing the game traditionally.
 

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hello, someone would have a good backup road olivia girlfriend thank you
hello, someone would have a good backup road olivia girlfriend thank you
 

neodtst

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What's to argue about? Some people just can't play a game without immersive themselves with MC so they don't understand female MC. Other who don't immerse so much can play it as an observers. All female MC's games are aimed for normal heterosexual guys and they are quite popular. Just different perspective.
The problem is some ppl who immersed themselves too much in the game get too agitated and doesn't know when to detach themselves when they are out of the game and get keyboard rage , in many cases calling others names.

This argument is not about NOT understanding other ppl pt of view ... its about NOT respecting other ppl.

If playing a female protagonist make you feel like a gay , thats the way u roll , I understand , I think everyone does too , thats your issue , nobody say you can't feel like a gay when u play a female protagonist. Absolutely nobody.

BUT That doesn't make give you the right to call everyone who CAN play female protagonist a homosexual gay. See the diff?
 

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"We firmly believe Glamour's protagonist should be female, but we can't ignore player'$$$$ desire$$$$."
Here we go again... x'D
Wow really? XDDD.

The best option when you have a patreon is just ask your supporters, it's not hard. If his supporters prefer that he continues with a male MC what's so hard about it?, if he wants to have the MC being taken advantage of so much then he should just add perverted females to the game.

Wait, the poll isn't it kind of strange the options?:

1) The protagonist should stay female

2) I have no strong feelings one way or the other

3) I want to be able to choose between genders at the start of the game

Where is the "I prefer a male protagonist" option?.
 

groq

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Where is the "I prefer a male protagonist" option?.
nowhere
I tried to "translate" the 3 options (for myself):

1) only 1 MC option: female
2) it doesn't matter (but "we firmly believe Glamour's protagonist should be female"), so female
3) 2 MC options: female and male (and here we show you the stick: "So while the number of ALL events will stay the same, this number WILL be divided between two main characters. Are you sure you want this?"), so ....

guess what will be the gender of Glamour MC?
 

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I want to clarify here that option 3 doesn't mean "just magically add twice as much content into the game in the same amount of development time". While the map, the characters and most gameplay mechanics like crafting will stay the same regardless of main character's gender, the events will obviously be unique. Which means half of the time we could've spent on Kate's story and events will be spent on another character instead. So while the number of ALL events will stay the same, this number WILL be divided between two main characters. Are you sure you want this?
In other words, he wants you to choose option 3 so he can milk the game twice as much.
 
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Even if it becomes a "choose between genders" start, it will be a loss of players as the updates will need more time.
So this is only lose or less lose imo.
 
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