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It's not true, heroes are still heroes.
LOL And cop outs are still cop outs.
You are the one who makes the polls they vote in and what they vote for is largely about the selections you present to them. I have yet to see any poll you have made that said keep Romance out of an incest game and only have BDSM CONTROL as the mechanism.

it's a bit hard for me to combine romance and incest together. I'll try to bring something with other characters
This is the REAL reason why you can't bring yourself to put Romance into this game...
A mental block on your part which just proves what I have previously stated...You don't understand Incest Genre and don't really like it. Your take on it and how it happens would seem to fit only the instances of Incest that are related to Child Abuse. Some family member FORCING another Family Member to have sex with them.
I suggest you read Reddit's Incest sub sometime to get some ideas regarding the topic and nuances of the Genre and learn the HOTTEST incest is 100% mutual and consensual...Not the product of desperation, blackmail, and force.

Your phobia or mental block regarding the Incest Genre has made the claim the best incest game ever to be totally untrue...Not even CLOSE!
 

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Posted elsewhere, (newb error), so some thoughts.

options for further content, but see as 12 may open Olivia line, glad to see that.

Alice has been real easy to go along with he whole thing, As well as ever since Kira showed up "why so gloomy" has been there. Those two talk every morning in the bathroom, and you never have an option to do more than peek, add to that the house ,with one cam, was a gift. The one box was left for Max to find.

At a guess, we will progress to a "all in" film, and Dad will show up and pull the rug out form the whole deal. Find out Kira, (who was in town for two days before showing up) is actually a villain, and Alice is being forced to help some how.

Would prefer to see a time jump, before a part 2, or further story. Now starting as Bartender/cook for income, and trying to save Lisa and Alice. Give a new model for max (have been doing Yoga every day for a year now) Something along those lines, bringing back the more sad box feel where there are bad options, and decisions. Pick a sister to save, and reconnect with the other, paying for school on your own, and not exploiting the sex cams. Even the option to "rescue" Ann, who would be forced to do porn, and if you decide, to Abandon or save Kira.
 

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LOL And cop outs are still cop outs.
You are the one who makes the polls they vote in and what they vote for is largely about the selections you present to them. I have yet to see any poll you have made that said keep Romance out of an incest game and only have BDSM CONTROL as the mechanism.


This is the REAL reason why you can't bring yourself to put Romance into this game...
A mental block on your part which just proves what I have previously stated...You don't understand Incest Genre and don't really like it. Your take on it and how it happens would seem to fit only the instances of Incest that are related to Child Abuse. Some family member FORCING another Family Member to have sex with them.
I suggest you read Reddit's Incest sub sometime to get some ideas regarding the topic and nuances of the Genre and learn the HOTTEST incest is 100% mutual and consensual...Not the product of desperation, blackmail, and force.

Your phobia or mental block regarding the Incest Genre has made the claim the best incest game ever to be totally untrue...Not even CLOSE!
that's it, well said
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This is the REAL reason why you can't bring yourself to put Romance into this game...
A mental block on your part which just proves what I have previously stated...You don't understand Incest Genre and don't really like it. Your take on it and how it happens would seem to fit only the instances of Incest that are related to Child Abuse. Some family member FORCING another Family Member to have sex with them.
I suggest you read Reddit's Incest sub sometime to get some ideas regarding the topic and nuances of the Genre and learn the HOTTEST incest is 100% mutual and consensual...Not the product of desperation, blackmail, and force.

Your phobia or mental block regarding the Incest Genre has made the claim the best incest game ever to be totally untrue...Not even CLOSE!
You raise a good point, but venting your frustrations is going to make the dev less likely to take what you say seriously. I personally view romantic/intimate routes as more erotic then blackmail/desperation which are pretty meh to me. One of the only solaces I can get from the blackmail and manipulation stuff is if it eventually leads to a stronger emotional bond or intimacy/love. This reason is why for me personally, and for so many others, the dissolution of intimacy/romantic routes sucks so much.

Take the vast majority of incest game out there, and you'll usually find intimacy and/or romance as either routes or outcomes of the blackmail, if not the main story itself. You have the other big ones, Summertime Saga, Dating My Daughter, and Dreams of Desire that illustrate that well. There's also a shit ton of smaller ones like Incest Story 1/2, MILFs Villa, Crusoe had it easy, Play with us, Daughter for Desert, A Zombie's Life and the list goes on and on. I can count less incest games without intimacy than I can count with it.

Intimacy/romance is a big part of the incest genre and I hope DS will do his best to try to find a way to reimplement it, because if I'm being honest what he was doing before in the early game, specifically with the Lisa GF route, he was doing a fine job building up to it. This shows to me that DS absolutely has the ability to write and add intimacy to the late game if he puts forth the effort to come over his self-made limitations. It would truly be disheartening if he completely abandons such an important aspect of his game.
 

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You raise a good point, but venting your frustrations is going to make the dev less likely to take what you say seriously. I personally view romantic/intimate routes as more erotic then blackmail/desperation which are pretty meh to me. One of the only solaces I can get from the blackmail and manipulation stuff is if it eventually leads to a stronger emotional bond or intimacy/love. This reason is why for me personally, and for so many others, the dissolution of intimacy/romantic routes sucks so much.

Take the vast majority of incest game out there, and you'll usually find intimacy and/or romance as either routes or outcomes of the blackmail, if not the main story itself. You have the other big ones, Summertime Saga, Dating My Daughter, and Dreams of Desire that illustrate that well. There's also a shit ton of smaller ones like Incest Story 1/2, MILFs Villa, Crusoe had it easy, Play with us, Daughter for Desert, A Zombie's Life and the list goes on and on. I can count less incest games without intimacy than I can count with it.

Intimacy/romance is a big part of the incest genre and I hope DS will do his best to try to find a way to reimplement it, because if I'm being honest what he was doing before in the early game, specifically with the Lisa GF route, he was doing a fine job building up to it. This shows to me that DS absolutely has the ability to write and add intimacy to the late game if he puts forth the effort to come over his self-made limitations. It would truly be disheartening if he completely abandons such an important aspect of his game.
To @DarkSilver's credit. He's actually pretty chill when it comes to pissy comments. Unless you go way over the line of course. Still not sure he really understands what people want, but we'll see.

I have a feeling we'll get romance this update, with Olivia. Which will totally miss the point, and still piss people off.
 

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For a game with a rather english setting some of these names are pretty off. Max, Eric, Alice, Lisa etc. and suddenly obviously russian Olga comes to your house. I have nothing against that but I'm kinda glad Diana is winning
 

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For a game with a rather english setting some of these names are pretty off. Max, Eric, Alice, Lisa etc. and suddenly obviously russian Olga comes to your house. I have nothing against that but I'm kinda glad Diana is winning
Not that crazy, my stepsister is named Olga, my grandmother was as well. Neither Russian.

Then again, that name still fits it's real world setting of Greater West Eastern Europeamerica.
 
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Not that crazy, my stepsister is named Olga, my grandmother was as well. Neither Russian.

Then again, that name still fits it's real world setting of Greater West Eastern Europeamerica.
Didn't know it's used outside of Russia and slavic countries. But for me it still feels Russian as hell. It's not Svetlana level but close:p
 
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To be honest, i don't understand why that bdsm-theme in big brother splits the people.

Lisa learns she is submissive (like her mom) and enjoy the games max and Alice are playing with her.
Max is enjoying it to. The enjoys to dominate Lisa and has fun when Alice is dominating. No one is forced or being raped. Blackmailing by Alice is not really a threat, just her way to say what games she want's to play. Lisa and Max are enjoying it. This siblings all committing voluntary incest - the biggest taboo. So it doesn't really matters what sexual practises they do as long they are all enjoy it.
I wonder what will happen if @DarkSilver includes more fetishes in this great game (i hope this will happen). Will be again some people be upset when dirty games where played? I'am looking forward to this, because it is entertaining:)
 

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Good news everyone!
YAY.. Of course I think this was a SHEER TEROR after what happened to EA loot boxes reaction, instead of a CRAP we screwed people over reaction. Hopefully something that makes sense will be figured out.

Just a thought.
 
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I have a feeling we'll get romance this update, with Olivia. Which will totally miss the point, and still piss people off.
Exactly this, when DS said he will try to implement it with other characters he was missing the point in its entirety. It's not about romance for the sake that people like romance. The way I see it is that romance/intimacy within the incest genre is twofold.

One it is a justification to cross that taboo, or in other words it makes the act of sleeping with family members ok because there is a strong emotional connection between both parties. This idea can even be altered a little bit in justifying any underhanded tricks used to start the sexual relationship. Blackmailing or corrupting my family was wrong but now there is a deeper love and understanding that came out of it so the ends justify the means sort of thing.

Two the idea of having a romantic relation on top of just sex adds another layer of taboo to it all. It's one thing to sleep with a family member, but another thing entirely to date them. It adds another dimension to the act of having incestual sex that, for someone like me, makes the entire thing even more exciting.

To be honest, i don't understand why that bdsm-theme in big brother splits the people.
It's not that people are upset that the game has BDSM and a submissive role for Max, its the fact that theres no option to avoid it in the story. @Hawkthorn is right when he says that "getting "Invested" in the game, then to come across a style you don't like can make one upset."
 
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I'll take these points one by one despite the fact it will probably make for a long post...
You raise a good point, but venting your frustrations is going to make the dev less likely to take what you say seriously. I personally view romantic/intimate routes as more erotic then blackmail/desperation which are pretty meh to me. One of the only solaces I can get from the blackmail and manipulation stuff is if it eventually leads to a stronger emotional bond or intimacy/love. This reason is why for me personally, and for so many others, the dissolution of intimacy/romantic routes sucks so much.
I could care less about DS taking my advice or what he does to his own game...His listening or changing his game based on what I say isn't a big benefit to me but it could be of great benefit to himself and his profits. He is free to take my advice or not. I'm just giving my honest assessment of his creation in regards to his attempt at making the best incest game ever...best Blackmail Corruption game might be a better marketing line to use. Those folks will LOVE this game! And while yes there are many unoriginal Incest games out there who use Blackmail and Magic as a crutch to get to the incest by the release of V.2 of their game in the name of boosting patreonage quickly, it's a weak unimaginative storytelling tool and ignores the true thing that makes incestuous sex hot as a genre. The SEDUCTION of someone who should never give in to it because they are related, GIVING IN to that seduction and WANTING to have sex with that person willingly!

Take the vast majority of incest game out there, and you'll usually find intimacy and/or romance as either routes or outcomes of the blackmail, if not the main story itself. You have the other big ones, Summertime Saga, Dating My Daughter, and Dreams of Desire that illustrate that well. There's also a shit ton of smaller ones like Incest Story 1/2, MILFs Villa, Crusoe had it easy, Play with us, Daughter for Desert, A Zombie's Life and the list goes on and on. I can count less incest games without intimacy than I can count with it.
If you want to see the Incest Genre done right I suggest you try . It has the perfect mix of Seduction, Coercion and Romance that this game sorely lacks and breaks them out as different paths for each character in the game. You Seduce Mom, Coerce older Sister and the Younger Sister is using her brother as her guide and experimental partner for sexual exploration. It has everything we here have been asking for from DS and the MC doesn't have to act like an ass 99.9% of the time to get some sex!
These tricks like Magic and Blackmail are lazy shortcuts IMO and in most of those games once the sex has started they get back to the more romantic and consensual relations that the genre is about. So yes you use Magic to make Mom want to have sex with you but the fact is she still wants to have that sex once the spell is cast and not because she is poor and unwilling but needs money so she begrudgingly decides to make a porno with her son! With most of the blackmail tropes, she decides she likes the sex she didn't want to have. Lazy Bad Storytelling! But in the end it almost always leads to the place it should have gone from the beginning...The sex gets much more consensual and wanted after the ice has been broken when the best parts of most incest stories is the lead up to the sex and the breaking of the ice that starts the romance. Magic, leverage and Blackmail are lazy ice breakers.

Intimacy/romance is a big part of the incest genre and I hope DS will do his best to try to find a way to reimplement it, because if I'm being honest what he was doing before in the early game, specifically with the Lisa GF route, he was doing a fine job building up to it. This shows to me that DS absolutely has the ability to write and add intimacy to the late game if he puts forth the effort to come over his self-made limitations. It would truly be disheartening if he completely abandons such an important aspect of his game.
He has been pretty clear that he can not bring himself to make Incest romantic at all. Which is proof to me he doesn't understand the genre and the only reason why incest exists at all in this game is for the Marketing tags because INCEST SELLS!

To be honest, i don't understand why that bdsm-theme in big brother splits the people.
Perhaps because it isn't related to the Incest Genre at all? If he was advertising a BDSM game that included family members then no one could complain about the story as it is...
But this is supposed to be "The Best Incest Game Ever!"
Unfortunately it is more like the Best EVERY GENRE BUT INCEST game ever.
The Incest relations in this game are incidental to the acts being written into the story. He could make the characters all be roomates and the game wouldn't suffer in the least. It's like the Cameras...
yep they are there...But they don't really serve the story...
Sure they are related...But the story isn't about the conflict or coming closer together than a family really should.
It's about what conniving scheme, leverage or lie can I come up with this week to get some sex. Incest is about an emotional bond progressing past the point it normally does in a familial relation.
 
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