VN Ren'Py Abandoned Bitch Squad [v0.4.7] [IcarusLabs]

[Vopeco]

This made me laugh so hard


I still haven't quite figured Emma out, seems like a cunt so far, but she and Sarah gave me a good laugh here.

 

[Derpyshanks]

Emma: Truth or dare?

MC: Uh...Truth?

Emma: Which of my friends you want to fuck the most?

A: Annie
B: Charlotte
C: Kate
D: Sarah

Me:

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Then there's Galen. Another Revenge is bad for you story.

Galen: If you go down this path, you'll lose everything you have for something that wont even in the end satisfy you...Oh and revenge is very very bad...Just like the Dean said last chapter

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[WastedTalent]

MC mentions that his last year was hell, so it appears to be the bulk, at the very least, of his senior year. And none of what you said really changes my critique of Annie's story. The game says several times that she and he were as close as actual siblings until the inciting incident with Kate and the photos. But we are currently just told this over and over again, we never really see it, the closest being the time at the lodge in this episode. Which is missable, that information is extremely important, and a large number of players will never see it. Either way, she says that she became friends with Kate after the separation of their parents. That just does not make sense, as she was living in the house at that time. She dumps a lot of information that could have been seeded much better in the intro, but without it, it falls flat.





Yes. That doesn't change anything, or go against my points at all. My issue isn't with the plot point of Kate convincing people, it's that listening to her speeches, I do not buy it. Even spouting platitudes, they aren't convincing in a way a politician can be, she constantly talks about saving the world somehow, but not in an interesting or even erudite way. As a result she comes off as a chariacature of a cult leader at best, and the more she talks, the more it makes everyone around her seem like idiots. We are being told that these speeches and her charisma are amazing, but I don't feel it. Ever.

Seriousuly, what would any sane person do if some person came up to them and started constantly spouting nonsense about saving the world in a nonspecific way.



I always find comments like this interesting because the game goes out of its way to paint the BS as the most sympathetic characters in the game, they persevere together, have more loyalty than the MC and his crew, and anyone else around, even Emma and Charlotte, the worst actors in the group by far are built up as misunderstood. I could be wrong, but I am certain the game will give you chances to get revenge only to regret them later, as what happened to Sarah. We never once actually see them in the act of screwing someone over, or revelling in that fact, which the MC's gang does, often. They don't try to force sexual acts on people or rape them, which the MC and his allies have done in certain routes, we don't even see them strike a potential enemy first out of convenience.

Outside of the intro, everything attributed to them since arriving at college has been retaliatory. We are TOLD they are horrible people, but all the worst stuff was in the past, we see none of it in the present, while the MC is acting in the present.

I agree with everything except your final point. Kate said on social media about playing with her food or a cat and mouse thing I forget the actual wording but she subtly admitted what she and the b squad did to MC was no accident without coming out and saying it. So MC is justified in wanting revenge however I agree that the dev is out to make the MC look like a jerk instead of an actual victim of the b squad.

 

[DovahKing111]

Well I seemed to have gotten the girl I don't want, Ashley, with my choices.
There seems to be some kind of dynamic or polarity with Ashley and Amber based in your choices, correct?
I'd rather be banging Amber, do I have to be as vindictive as her to be with her?
Or is Ashley like the default "unofficial" gf you have to be with for awhile in the story?

 

[eddienova]

So again this episode is a mixed bag. Some of the scenes are hot, the renders are pretty good, and the idea the game is going for isn't a bad one. So good stuff in many regards.

I think it is pretty clear now that the game is going down the route of the Bitch Squad are just misunderstood, and the MC is in the wrong for exacting revenge. Look at who the game has us sympathising with, the BS characters, every time, with the POSSIBLE exception of Kate. Problem is it doesn't quite nail it.

Annie's backstory doesn't make much sense, she says she met Kate AFTER the separation of the parents, but the intro doesn't mention this, so it feels like a retcon. She still doesn't mention leaving the MC high and dry for a full year where his life turned into hell, and it comes off as contradictory too. Why was she living at the house after the separation?

MC essentially rapes Emma in a possible route, and she doesn't not do the standard porn suddenly liking being submissive thing that could have turned that bit around. Charlotte breaks down in tears over her treatment, and it isn't framed as a getting well-deserved retribution moment, but more a broken girl clinging onto a dead parent moment.

And it makes the MC come off as rather psychotic, caring one moment, hating the girls the next, he seems to jump from one extreme to the next constantly, and he doesn't make a lot of sense.

And then we have Kate, who every update comes off more and more like a well meaning but absolutely insane cult leader. And currently the writing can't quite pull off her charisma without making every OTHER character seem like absolute morons for following her. She speaks in nothing but platitudes, and we are meant to think she cares, but her actions don't show that at all. And I find it hard to believe that Kate is willing to apparently try and win over anyone and everyone to her cause, but not even give a peep of what her goals are to the MC, or win over actual enemies. It feels like the player and the MC are missing information to draw out the mystery, but how that information is missing doesn't quite make sense.

And the devs seem to have zero idea what to do with Sarah at all. She still remains the girl on the outside, as the innocent face of the squad.

And Ashley is becoming rather pointless the more the game goes on. There is nice, and there is stupid, and she steps back and forth across that line very often. Her cabin scene was pointless, and her other scenes weren't much better.

So now we are down to two options, either Miranda is the big bad who we are working for this whole time or Galen is. There could be an option that they are both horrible people working against each other as well. But unless I am severely wrong, it seems like the high school bullies were all set on anyone who wasn't in the right family who got close to Kate and her friends, or went against them. It has holes in it if that is the case, such as why bother making the MCs life a living hell in High School when he posed zero threat, and why have him under surveillance at all?

The base characters are all good, as far as things go, and the overall set up of the game is good as well. But I think the issues t he game has end in its execution. Also the different routes are EXTREMELY important to understanding the game overall, and since you can only be on one of these routes without modding, most players won't see bits of the story that are needed to understand what is happening. Very important events in this update are mutually exclusive, Annie's talk with the MC being the primary of these as well as Charlotte's scene as well (I THINK that can be missed)

It's the reason that you have some posters here thinking the MC is a total wuss, and others not understanding how they could think that. Having choices is good, but the game might be better served in smaller choices that help define the MC and his reactions to the events in the game, and find a way to make his actions and internal thoughts consistent, as I said right now he comes off as a madman.

So can this be fixed? Maybe. First off, the introduction needs to be expanded. It just does. The information we get there is contradictory, and there is still not enough there to believe the relationship between the MC and Annie, or enough to go on for how the Bitch Squad worked in the school itself. Perhaps have Annie mention staying in the house because she got in a fight with her mom, (thus bringing in the separation), how she has her friends because of a bad breakup (mentioning her abusive BF without the MC knowing about the dude hitting her), bring up the friendship and sibling angle more, and how they have been cool with the BF/GF thing, add some sexual tension they don't want to discuss, etc. The events of the night aren't the issue, but the events before it, and after it ARE important.

And we need answers to questions, something I mentioned before. We got really nothing this episode in regards to that, and anything we DID get was missable (Annie in particular), we got clues... but those are just more questions without answering anything else. The game is already having problems juggling its mystery and keeping motivations and events in line, it doesn't need to answer everything, it shouldn't but we need one or two of the current threads answered so one can spin out into other questions. Right now that just is not happening.

And the multiple routes need to be consolidated at least somewhat. MC can have VASTLY different knowledge of events, relationships with characters, and the like, and it is going to be extremely difficult to have these events mean anything down the line as the butterfly effect takes hold. The fact that the game makes the MOST sense while modded is a problem. Character motivations and basic information should not be missable. Sex scenes and relationships can be optional, but it is a fine line to walk, and the game as it stands is walking that line like someone with a .2 blood alcohol level.

Edit: Sarcasm makes this a bit nastier when rereading than it sounded in my head. Intent was to be humourous, not attacking.

Maybe we're thinking about this all wrong, and the MC is actually in a mental institution and explaining these situations he sees in his head after a mental break the night of the incident... or possibly he is in a Coma, after the fall, living out a fantasy world in his head. And since he doesn't really know any of the characters, he's just filling things in. Makes sense with all the sexy bits. Just a wild crazy theory, it doesn't really hold any weight. Or, the mother of all insanities... this is a Jacob's Ladder situation

 

[Bestinian]

I agree with everything except your final point. Kate said on social media about playing with her food or a cat and mouse thing I forget the actual wording but she subtly admitted what she and the b squad did to MC was no accident without coming out and saying it. So MC is justified in wanting revenge however I agree that the dev is out to make the MC look like a jerk instead of an actual victim of the b squad.

Well, if you mean the High School era stuff, then that would be a contradiction as there re direct shots of her reactions to events that show he at the very least uncomfortable with what is going on. She isn't being actively observed by anyone during those times, so it would be odd if she was actually behind the MCs hell in high school. If you mean the post high school stuff, MC and his gang went on the offensive first, so even if she WAS involved with the leak of the MC photos during the presentation, which seems unlikely it would be in retaliation for the attempts to leak Charlotte's images.

It's another reason Sarah is almost certainly a red herring when it comes to the leaked college incident with the MC, if she was the one who did it, then the BS would know that the MC is involved in some way with leaking Sarah's photo or that there is a HUGE chance of that being the case, as they would know someone had access to their private images.

 

[WastedTalent]

Well, if you mean the High School era stuff, then that would be a contradiction as there re direct shots of her reactions to events that show he at the very least uncomfortable with what is going on. She isn't being actively observed by anyone during those times, so it would be odd if she was actually behind the MCs hell in high school. If you mean the post high school stuff, MC and his gang went on the offensive first, so even if she WAS involved with the leak of the MC photos during the presentation, which seems unlikely it would be in retaliation for the attempts to leak Charlotte's images.

It's another reason Sarah is almost certainly a red herring when it comes to the leaked college incident with the MC, if she was the one who did it, then the BS would know that the MC is involved in some way with leaking Sarah's photo or that there is a HUGE chance of that being the case, as they would know someone had access to their private images.

no the social media post was about high school she just didn't say it. But she said it was fun for a minute. So in college she was admitting to the past.

 

[bob69696]

Well, if you mean the High School era stuff, then that would be a contradiction as there re direct shots of her reactions to events that show he at the very least uncomfortable with what is going on. She isn't being actively observed by anyone during those times, so it would be odd if she was actually behind the MCs hell in high school. If you mean the post high school stuff, MC and his gang went on the offensive first, so even if she WAS involved with the leak of the MC photos during the presentation, which seems unlikely it would be in retaliation for the attempts to leak Charlotte's images.

It's another reason Sarah is almost certainly a red herring when it comes to the leaked college incident with the MC, if she was the one who did it, then the BS would know that the MC is involved in some way with leaking Sarah's photo or that there is a HUGE chance of that being the case, as they would know someone had access to their private images.

let's be honest. the very fact they took a photo at all no matter what the goal was and have never apologised, (it's always just move on and never wee fucked up please accept our apology), will never endear them. Not once has Kate accepted any responsibilty in the matter. even if they never posted the photo themselves they are responsible for it's existence and never did anything to mitigate the fallout because in the end it's not about actually helping people. their end goal is force the square world into a round ideal hole and who cares about the edges broken to make it fit.

 

[HentaiKami]

Also lets not forget that what Charlotte did to Amber was pretty much evil, forcing someone to streak naked through school, where others just laugh at her is pretty fucked up. Not to mention how her reputation would take a negative hit and make even those not involved in any way to the bullying basically become part of it, due to how gossip network and reputation of a person affects how people treat you. And not one of the BS seems to be even remotely sorry for it, instead Charlotte actively tries to put Amber down in the first episode, even without Amber provoking it in any way, except existing.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Emma: Truth or dare?

MC: Uh...Truth?

Emma: Which of my friends you want to fuck the most?

A: Annie
B: Charlotte
C: Kate
D: Sarah

Me:

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Then there's Galen. Another Revenge is bad for you story.

Galen: If you go down this path, you'll lose everything you have for something that wont even in the end satisfy you...Oh and revenge is very very bad...Just like the Dean said last chapter

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C) that cunt Kate with hard raw dog anal no Vaseline & just hate fuck her till she passes out & then give her a Dirty Sanchez

 

[Malika1234]

I hope she seduces MCs Gf to get back at him.

 

[Bestinian]

Also lets not forget that what Charlotte did to Amber was pretty much evil, forcing someone to streak naked through school, where others just laugh at her is pretty fucked up. Not to mention how her reputation would take a negative hit and make even those not involved in any way to the bullying basically become part of it, due to how gossip network and reputation of a person affects how people treat you. And not one of the BS seems to be even remotely sorry for it, instead Charlotte actively tries to put Amber down in the first episode, even without Amber provoking it in any way, except existing.

Oh don't get me wrong Charlotte and Emma are general terrors in high school, by the way the game sets it up. Charlotte putting Amber in her place after Amber stood up to her, and Emma with the leaking of the photo and constantly making fun of the MC in high school were the two worst things we directly see the BS do. The issue is that IN COLLEGE everything they have done, or is attributed to them has been retaliatory. AND when any revenge is taken the focus is not on the MC and justice or what have you, but on how awful it is to the BS. They are humanized constantly, more so than the MC. Even Rachel, the one who has the most sympathy put on her is still doing worse stuff than the BS in game, forcing girls to whore themselves out just to get into a sorority, and she was only sorry she got caught. And the revenge on Charlotte, is a) optional and b) set up to humanize her.

That's the problem with the game right now, we have a few lines about how bad they USED to be, and a general lack of apology, true, but in the game itself, once college starts the dev goes out of his way to make them be the least morally reprehensible people in the game. Or at least that very much seems to be the intent.

And everything bad that has happened to people in the game, has been done by the MC, one could argue that the MC and his crew is easily responsible for more pain on the campus than anyone else. Amber, him and Tommy, set the leaks into motion when they leaked the Sarah BJ Pic. MC would not have had the college leak happen if he hadn't tried to leak Charlotte's nudes. Etc.

let's be honest. the very fact they took a photo at all no matter what the goal was and have never apologised, (it's always just move on and never wee fucked up please accept our apology), will never endear them. Not once has Kate accepted any responsibilty in the matter. even if they never posted the photo themselves they are responsible for it's existence and never did anything to mitigate the fallout because in the end it's not about actually helping people. their end goal is force the square world into a round ideal hole and who cares about the edges broken to make it fit.

Not saying they are perfect, I am saying that currently the game is going out of its way to make them the most sympathetic characters in it. And that's where the disconnect is. It's all generally relative, nothing the BS has done comes close to what the MC's crew has done, even if you put the sorority leak entirely on them, MC raped Emma, and Amber is essentially raping Charlotte with the MCs aid. The MC spies on random people in the back of a store, can skullfuck an unwilling Kate, etc.

Which in a game about revenge misses the point. It's a difficult line to walk, making the MC's revenge plans seem both a little nasty while also justified, make the player think about it. But the game falls way too far in the direction of the BS, not enough for a lot of people, clearly, but for me, it just comes off as ham-handed. And a lot of that is we SEE the BS uniting, supporting each other emotionally, working together for a common cult goal, and not going out of their way to start shit. It goes too far in the humanization direction without giving them enough bite now that the game has started. The punishments are in no way tied to the severity of the crimes.

Because, unless I am wrong the game is setting things up so that the BS at worst didn't much care about collateral damage in high school. That's bad, but when that is the worst we have seen them do and we see all of it in summary or flashback, it's hard for the MC and crew to not come off as whiny psychos.

 

[HentaiKami]

Oh don't get me wrong Charlotte and Emma are general terrors in high school, by the way the game sets it up. Charlotte putting Amber in her place after Amber stood up to her, and Emma with the leaking of the photo and constantly making fun of the MC in high school were the two worst things we directly see the BS do. The issue is that IN COLLEGE everything they have done, or is attributed to them has been retaliatory. AND when any revenge is taken the focus is not on the MC and justice or what have you, but on how awful it is to the BS. They are humanized constantly, more so than the MC. Even Rachel, the one who has the most sympathy put on her is still doing worse stuff than the BS in game, forcing girls to whore themselves out just to get into a sorority, and she was only sorry she got caught. And the revenge on Charlotte, is a) optional and b) set up to humanize her.

That's the problem with the game right now, we have a few lines about how bad they USED to be, and a general lack of apology, true, but in the game itself, once college starts the dev goes out of his way to make them be the least morally reprehensible people in the game. Or at least that very much seems to be the intent.

And everything bad that has happened to people in the game, has been done by the MC, one could argue that the MC and his crew is easily responsible for more pain on the campus than anyone else. Amber, him and Tommy, set the leaks into motion when they leaked the Sarah BJ Pic. MC would not have had the college leak happen if he hadn't tried to leak Charlotte's nudes. Etc.



Not saying they are perfect, I am saying that currently the game is going out of its way to make them the most sympathetic characters in it. And that's where the disconnect is. It's all generally relative, nothing the BS has done comes close to what the MC's crew has done, even if you put the sorority leak entirely on them, MC raped Emma, and Amber is essentially raping Charlotte with the MCs aid. The MC spies on random people in the back of a store, can skullfuck an unwilling Kate, etc.

Which in a game about revenge misses the point. It's a difficult line to walk, making the MC's revenge plans seem both a little nasty while also justified, make the player think about it. But the game falls way too far in the direction of the BS, not enough for a lot of people, clearly, but for me, it just comes off as ham-handed. And a lot of that is we SEE the BS uniting, supporting each other emotionally, working together for a common cult goal, and not going out of their way to start shit. It goes too far in the humanization direction without giving them enough bite now that the game has started. The punishments are in no way tied to the severity of the crimes.

Because, unless I am wrong the game is setting things up so that the BS at worst didn't much care about collateral damage in high school. That's bad, but when that is the worst we have seen them do and we see all of it in summary or flashback, it's hard for the MC and crew to not come off as whiny psychos.

Nah, Charlotte when she encounters MC and Amber in the mall, after they enter the college, starts instantly putting Amber down and hurling insults toward the MC as well.

 

[createf31]

Nice animations and fine story line

 

[Bestinian]

Nah, Charlotte when she encounters MC and Amber in the mall, after they enter the college, starts instantly putting Amber down and hurling insults toward the MC as well.

Words are words. Again, Charlotte is a haughty bitch, no doubt. But even as the "worst" of the BS we are at least expected to feel sorry for during the revenge arc, and Amber's use of her is a fairly big jump from anything Charlotte actually did, even in high school. Now had say, Charlotte embarrassed Amber again, in public, or made her "slut" status known in the college, and attempted to cause her to become a social outcast again, then the escalation would generally feel more natural.

But that's not the case. And I still wouldn't be surprised if we eventually find out that Amber's story wasn't the whole story of what happened in high school, but that's just a feeling.

 

[pablo.1297]

Oh don't get me wrong Charlotte and Emma are general terrors in high school, by the way the game sets it up. Charlotte putting Amber in her place after Amber stood up to her, and Emma with the leaking of the photo and constantly making fun of the MC in high school were the two worst things we directly see the BS do. The issue is that IN COLLEGE everything they have done, or is attributed to them has been retaliatory. AND when any revenge is taken the focus is not on the MC and justice or what have you, but on how awful it is to the BS. They are humanized constantly, more so than the MC. Even Rachel, the one who has the most sympathy put on her is still doing worse stuff than the BS in game, forcing girls to whore themselves out just to get into a sorority, and she was only sorry she got caught. And the revenge on Charlotte, is a) optional and b) set up to humanize her.

That's the problem with the game right now, we have a few lines about how bad they USED to be, and a general lack of apology, true, but in the game itself, once college starts the dev goes out of his way to make them be the least morally reprehensible people in the game. Or at least that very much seems to be the intent.

And everything bad that has happened to people in the game, has been done by the MC, one could argue that the MC and his crew is easily responsible for more pain on the campus than anyone else. Amber, him and Tommy, set the leaks into motion when they leaked the Sarah BJ Pic. MC would not have had the college leak happen if he hadn't tried to leak Charlotte's nudes. Etc.



Not saying they are perfect, I am saying that currently the game is going out of its way to make them the most sympathetic characters in it. And that's where the disconnect is. It's all generally relative, nothing the BS has done comes close to what the MC's crew has done, even if you put the sorority leak entirely on them, MC raped Emma, and Amber is essentially raping Charlotte with the MCs aid. The MC spies on random people in the back of a store, can skullfuck an unwilling Kate, etc.

Lo cual en un juego sobre venganza pierde el punto. Es una línea difícil de seguir, lo que hace que los planes de venganza del MC parezcan un poco desagradables y justificados, lo que hace que el jugador piense en ello. Pero el juego cae demasiado en la dirección de la BS, no lo suficiente para mucha gente, claramente, pero para mí, simplemente parece torpe. Y mucho de eso es que VEMOS a los BS uniéndose, apoyándose unos a otros emocionalmente, trabajando juntos por un objetivo de culto común, y sin salirse de su camino para empezar una mierda. Va demasiado lejos en la dirección de la humanización sin darles suficiente mordisco ahora que el juego ha comenzado. Los castigos no están ligados de ninguna manera a la gravedad de los delitos.

Because, unless I am wrong the game is setting things up so that the BS at worst didn't much care about collateral damage in high school. That's bad, but when that is the worst we have seen them do and we see all of it in summary or flashback, it's hard for the MC and crew to not come off as whiny psychos.

It's pretty obvious that the bitch squad doesn't really care about the MC, they have another hidden agenda and only care about the mc because the mc gets in on those targets.
I REALLY hope I'm wrong but it seems like a copy of "My Bully is my Lover", with the rich parents who maybe forced the squad to screw the MC to screw her dad who we are only told is rich and nothing else and maybe her dad's plans got in the way of the parents of the squad, of which Kate's dad is the leader.
Hopefully I'm wrong, that would put them as victims beyond what they have done they were just following their father's wishes, also on my personal note I hate "My Bully is my Lover", but that's a matter of taste and I don't judge nor do I intend to offend anyone who likes that game.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

It's pretty obvious that the bitch squad doesn't really care about the MC, they have another hidden agenda and only care about the mc because the mc gets in on those targets.
I REALLY hope I'm wrong but it seems like a copy of my bully is my lover, with the rich parents who maybe forced the squad to screw the MC to screw her dad who we are only told is rich and nothing else and maybe her dad's plans got in the way of the parents of the squad, of which Kate's dad is the leader.
Hopefully I'm wrong, that would put them as victims beyond what they have done they were just following their father's wishes, also on my personal note I hate my bully is my lover, but that's a matter of taste and I don't judge nor do I intend to offend anyone who likes that game.

Who are you talking about? Who is the Bully lover? Ashley (doubtful) (Annie) cause you can bully and order her around

 

[pablo.1297]

Who are you talking about? Who is the Bully lover? Ashley (doubtful) (Annie) cause you can bully and order her around

It is a game of this forum, sorry my English is not very good and sometimes I forget the differences with my language when writing. This is the game https://f95zone.to/threads/my-bully-is-my-lover-ch1-ep1-part-2-emmas-solo-ending-niichan.70546/

 

[robrize2169]

the poster that mentioned "My Bully is my Lover" is talking about a different game, which i personally have seen on here but never played beyond the opening 10-15 minutes and decided it wasn't of interest to me.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

It is a game of this forum, sorry my English is not very good and sometimes I forget the differences with my language when writing. This is the game https://f95zone.to/threads/my-bully-is-my-lover-ch1-ep1-part-2-emmas-solo-ending-niichan.70546/