As a fan of the game, I do think this one was a bit rough and forced. (No punn intended)
Is there are an option for anything but to forgive Ashley? It seems you don't really have a choice but to forgive her, even if you haven't banged her and broke it off. I still have no idea what triggers hating Annie or not, either. Had one route where things were coming off as more flirty between the MC and her, but MC was on the Ashley route, and at the last big choice in 3.5 had the MC saying she was as bad as the others, despite being on fairly good terms. Then, in a route where the MC treats everyone like crap, Ashley was still forgiven, and somehow despite everything, the MC ends up on good terms with Annie.
Turns out Dean scene flag is getting the Kate bj scene. Apparently that shows MC has no problem sexually coercing others and that allows Dean scene to happen. Which is weird since you can have a save where MC practically rapes Emma (much darker than Kate's scene imo) and you still don't get the Dean scene if you haven't gotten sucked by the lead bitch before.
Once again, I like this game, and my MC so far is playing very much like I want it to.
No. The writing is the least believable part of any of this. First of all the BS are all high achieving ambitious young women. Which means they would be stepping all over each other to try to take Kate's spot. It would be like the female version of the boiler room in comparrison. Their pacts and friendships wouldn't hold up under any scrutiny whatsoever, moreover it's shocking that step sis wouldn't join MC in taking them down so she could try to position herself to take over. Either way the writing is so unrealistic in how loyal they are to each other it's almost sickening. I highly doubt the MC is going to achieve true revenge as has been pointed out because 1. he's not very smart even for a college student and even under the tutelage of whatever her name is his plans up until this release have achieved very little except pissing off Kates father.. 2. his inner circle consists of tommy who is well definitely not someone to put in the spotlight and the other girl I forget her name but she's just seemingly an add on as she hasn't actually done much maybe that's intentional and her involvement will ramp up or maybe she's just there for filler or to be the third musketeer so to speak. There is a lot of story to still be told but the writing is completely off balance yet you call it good and real. The whole harem deal well that's neither a make or break for me personally as long we aren't rail roaded into an exclusive relationship early on like we were here with ashley. That part honestly is about the only realistic piece of the story. I could go on but I should stop as I don't want to babble.
I'm not quite there with you, but I do agree the BS are just the most loyal girls of all time, and it does get a little tiring. If you were to step back it feels more like they are the good guys in the scenario. I get wanting to keep things grey, but as it is written they all have something nasty in their past, they all perfectly supportive of each other when the shit hits the fan. They all only act out in retaliation as well. What we know of them in high school just doesn't gel with how they act in college.
Agree, and have said this before. Way too much character information is hidden in alternate routes. if you don't go after Charlotte, Amber ceases to really exist in the story. You have zero information to go on with Annie if you aren't banging her, and that is a problem. Plus since Ashley is the default LI choice, you lose out of most important plot and backstory info if you decide not to break it off with her. Again, the choices you make don't seem to flow well into each other, and most of it ends up being about cutting off sex scenes.
It's not a matter of being flawless or irredeemable, the game is neither. Honestly it has a great concept to start out with, Bullied kid tries to move on from his bullies but finds himself seeking revenge when they show up at his new school. Simple concept, problematic execution. If even you, the game's biggest cheerleader in this thread have points where you stop and go "WTF?!?!?!" there are clearly a few problems with characterization. And most of the fixes aren't even ones that need major plot overhauls.
That is a game that you can PLAY if you like or DONT PLAY IF YOU DONT.
not sure I went a different route. I believe I got that scene once on accident and from what you say you chose sounds like you made the correct choices but if it didn't trigger maybe the dev went back and changed something I really think this game needs a mod because so much content can be missed so easily.
Hmmm...
So I respectfully disagree. What Kate manged to do, was get together a rag tag of girls with intense personal problems. (Annie being in a toxic relationship, Charlotte not being able to deal with her mom's death, Sarah probably being an extreme introvert etc etc. ) (I have not played Emma's path)
So, after being aware of all this, you still want to go the redemption route? Because it's quite obvious now that we have a moral compass, that that's the "expected" route. If all attempts to have Revenge are "Dark", the Dev is telling us that that is the "Not Recommended" path. From what he's done before, it's obvious that he will not allow much room for deviation of his intended path. That, is actually OK, it is his story after all, we are just along for the ride. Yet, he keeps promising things that are obviously never going to happen. Things like an assertive but not obnoxious MC. Things like allowing us to cut ties with the BS. Things like leaving Ashley.
well we have no proof on number 4 that's still just speculation. Again another unsolved issue but we got to tell a lie to get one of the squad in trouble instead of proving something or getting any actual intel. Like I said we can never get any proof of anything so MC and company have to make shit up convincing themselves it's for the right reasons. So MC becomes the very thing he hates... and loses himself in the process or is he finding himself? Either way back to my original point where are the likable characters? Because I'm rooting for all them to fail atm...
I think any reasonable person playing the game can derive that number 4 is true.
I play the redemption road, because I believe the BS is not all bad. Yes all of them were enablers, but I think Kate is pretty much the mastermind behind everything. Yes, Emma and Charlotte are mean girls, but they are the traditional type of bullies. Without Kate, they are nothing.So, after being aware of all this, you still want to go the redemption route? Because it's quite obvious now that we have a moral compass, that that's the "expected" route. If all attempts to have Revenge are "Dark", the Dev is telling us that that is the "Not Recommended" path. From what he's done before, it's obvious that he will not allow much room for deviation of his intended path. That, is actually OK, it is his story after all, we are just along for the ride. Yet, he keeps promising things that are obviously never going to happen. Things like an assertive but not obnoxious MC. Things like allowing us to cut ties with the BS. Things like leaving Ashley.
It is his prerogative to have control of the story, it goes without saying. What it is becoming increasingly clear, is that the Revenge path is only possible if you embrace the asshole route. With rape, blackmail and all the trimmings of a villain.
So a good guy path will not get Revenge, or will have a diluted version of it.
This is rather unsatisfying. I don't play Bad Guys, it's not in my temperament, it's not even remotely in my interests. So, the story became a lot less interesting and the frustration has increased.
Ah well, it was becoming rather obvious that this title was not really for me. I'll keep looking into this, but, unless there is a good guy path of Revenge, I don't think I'll play this again.
Why do I insist on that? Well, it is clear that they are up to no good. It shouldn't be necessary to be morally corrupt to stop them. In fact, that should be the righteous path, not the other way around.
Peace
Yes, it's clear that that is the story the Dev is pushing. Everything was just a misunderstanding.
Apparently, there was still some problem with my persistent save files due to those bugs that I mentioned. I deleted everything again, including this time the hidden game files, then I installed the game once more and it worked.
Right but where is the proof he can use against her? Why was he not recording the conversations just in case? Imagine how different your conversation with Annie would have been especially if you played that for her? Again MC is not very sharp... I mean it wouldn't be hard to wear a wire or have a pocket recorder on hand... but again that would require forethought and planning or the dev just doesn't care if the MC can prove anything and it's going to continue to be all behind the scenes shady shit. That one conversation could have brought Kate down in a heart beat because just like you everyone would know this woman who claims to be for women's justice is just a gangster/politician type and is only out for herself. But because MC knows that seems to be good enough...
100% I thought you meant that we as the players does not know that it was Kate.
