VN Ren'Py Abandoned Bitch Squad [v0.4.7] [IcarusLabs]

[Derpyshanks]

Last point: People saying that MC and his friends are not getting any wins.
But: (Granted not in 1 playthrough.
1) Embarrassed Sarah (Naked Picure)
2) Humiliated Kate b(BJ)
3) Foiled their plans to join the sorority
4) Blackmailed Charlotte
5) Did some things to Emma (Did not play this path, but I heard about R...)
6) Caused one of the BS to be investigated over fraud.

1) Embarrassed Sarah (Naked Picure)

This is TBD. Sarah bounce back and became some amateur nudist. Now I'm assuming in future updates she'll have a mental breakdown but can't call this a win. Yet.

2) Humiliated Kate b(BJ)

This might be the closest thing to a win. I could make an argument against it but for argument sake, lets call this a win.

3) Foiled their plans to join the sorority

Hell no. This "plan" turned Kate into a influential juggernaut at campus. Hell, she's even making a new one. Can't call it a win if this is the end result.

4) Blackmailed Charlotte

Like 2) this is a close win. See now if you could do both 2 and this one in a single playthrough then this list would have some legs under it. Fact you have to pick one is...yeah...

5) Did some things to Emma (Did not play this path, but I heard about R...)

Shouldn't have to explain this. This isn't a win. This isn't revenge. This is just rape.

6) Caused one of the BS to be investigated over fraud.

This is also TBD. But again like before, the B5 in the next update can flip it on it's head and come out on top. They already have motive and power to do just that imo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



In conclusion, imo only 2 and 4 can really count as a win and even that is a loss cause you can only pick one... Which is totally what we all wanted.

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[drifter139]

Hmmm...
They are undoubtedly not good:
1) They destroyed the sorority
2) They got Rachel expelled
3) They leaked nude photos of all the sorority girls, basically destroying their reputations.
4) They arranged for Samantha(?) to be beaten up
5) They are getting basically crushing anyone that stands in their way (Getting faculty members fired)

All these things are without a doubt caused by the BS (Kate).
All that's in dispute, is the involvement of the likes of Annie and Sarah.



So I respectfully disagree. What Kate manged to do, was get together a rag tag of girls with intense personal problems. (Annie being in a toxic relationship, Charlotte not being able to deal with her mom's death, Sarah probably being an extreme introvert etc etc. ) (I have not played Emma's path)

She managed to spot the girls (like birds with broken wings) and managed to pull them, in and build them back up into a very tightknit friend circle. She gave them their confidence back. The way she treats them all for one and one for all and leave no one behind, does indeed inspire loyalty.

I don't think the other girls are remotely in the same league as Kate. She is a natural leader. Without her, there would be no BS. No other girl has even remotely shown any real leadership qualities. They are all followers, despite being as you say, high achievers.

I just wanna replace the term "leader" with "manipulator" as she has basically zero'd in on their insecurities and used them as a way to form their group. you pointed out the various things like Annie's toxic relationship which means Kate likely did something to draw her in. as for Charlotte, Kate's own family likely acted as a surrogate for hers and with Sarah, Kate probably started off slow by getting her to open up and ultimately make her dependent on the group for friendship. without them, Sarah would go back to being the wallflower. Kate is not a leader so much as a sociopath

 

[WastedTalent]

1) Embarrassed Sarah (Naked Picure)

This is TBD. Sarah bounce back and became some amateur nudist. Now I'm assuming in future updates she'll have a mental breakdown but can't call this a win. Yet.

2) Humiliated Kate b(BJ)

This might be the closest thing to a win. I could make an argument against it but for argument sake, lets call this a win.

3) Foiled their plans to join the sorority

Hell no. This "plan" turned Kate into a influential juggernaut at campus. Hell, she's even making a new one. Can't call it a win if this is the end result.

4) Blackmailed Charlotte

Like 2) this is a close win. See now if you could do both 2 and this one in a single playthrough then this list would have some legs under it. Fact you have to pick one is...yeah...

5) Did some things to Emma (Did not play this path, but I heard about R...)

Shouldn't have to explain this. This isn't a win. This isn't revenge. This is just rape.

6) Caused one of the BS to be investigated over fraud.

This is also TBD. But again like before, the B5 in the next update can flip it on it's head and come out on top. They already have motive and power to do just that imo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



In conclusion, imo only 2 and 4 can really count as a win and even that is a loss cause you can only pick one... Which is totally what we all wanted.

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totally right. I believe the dev is trying to hard sell the light/forgiveness path which is why the revenge path is so weak and lacking. It's really disappointing...

 

[FatGiant]

totally right. I believe the dev is trying to hard sell the light/forgiveness path which is why the revenge path is so weak and lacking. It's really disappointing...

Besides that the revenge path turns you into something even worse than the BS. If to have "some" revenge the price is your humanity, is that really worth it? To me, the answer to that is, not at all. You? It's really up to you, your conscience and if you can still feel justified to double click the .exe again. I know it's just a game, really, I know. There are games out there that go way further in what it make you do. But, if you HAVE to relativise it this way, it's because you really aren't comfortable. You do you, I guess. I prefer to be able to immerse myself without feeling nauseated by the choices and consequences.

Peace

 

[WastedTalent]

Besides that the revenge path turns you into something even worse than the BS. If to have "some" revenge the price is your humanity, is that really worth it? To me, the answer to that is, not at all. You? It's really up to you, your conscience and if you can still feel justified to double click the .exe again. I know it's just a game, really, I know. There are games out there that go way further in what it make you do. But, if you HAVE to relativise it this way, it's because you really aren't comfortable. You do you, I guess. I prefer to be able to immerse myself without feeling nauseated by the choices and consequences.

Peace

yeah I find both routes equally bad. I couldn't take the light path because MC just acts really simp stupid I'm not sure if there is any revenge on that route at all or whatever but I'm just not convinced the squad mostly Kate but the squad overall is redeemable in any way. The second he started believing them and acting all apologetic for being upset about how he was treated because of them I was over it. So while I agree with what you are saying I'm sticking to the dark path. I get it porn game porn logic yada yada but both routes are just so poorly presented.

 

[FatGiant]

yeah I find both routes equally bad. I couldn't take the light path because MC just acts really simp stupid I'm not sure if there is any revenge on that route at all or whatever but I'm just not convinced the squad mostly Kate but the squad overall is redeemable in any way. The second he started believing them and acting all apologetic for being upset about how he was treated because of them I was over it. So while I agree with what you are saying I'm sticking to the dark path. I get it porn game porn logic yada yada but both routes are just so poorly presented.

I know.

Still, I value my peace of mind above any potential satisfaction. I can't leave this scab alone, I keep gnawing at it, so, I'll do it in a way that I can at least face myself.

Peace

 

[Alfius]

In conclusion, imo only 2 and 4 can really count as a win and even that is a loss cause you can only pick one... Which is totally what we all wanted.

It comes down to your definition of win. People are making the MC out to be a weak willed person not willing to do anything.

So it's basically planned action: succeed ? yes or no?
The consequence is unforeseen and is not part of the victory and is not due to anything the MC did or did not do.

For instance:
The MC foiled their plan to join the Sorority. Did he succeed? Of course he did. It was a win. (Short-lived for sure)
Het set out to foil their plan and he did.

The fact that this enabled Kate to achieve something much better for the BS, is not down the MC's execution or success.
It's down to Kate's brilliance ( sociopath if you will) abilities. Shes just better then the MC at this revenge game. She's had years of practice (Plus a superior teacher in her dad) on him.

It's a chess game, and at this stage she is ahead, it's not the end yet.

He is an amateur and she's a pro. It would be unrealistic for him to just straight out win against her.
People are focusing too much on Sarah, Charlotte, Annie and Emma since the have emotional attachments to them, but they are only cannon fodder/ peons for Kate.

The true rivalry is between Kate and the MC. That is where everything is at.
So far the MC is winning some battles, but still losing the war. That is to be expected at this stage is it not?

 

[drifter139]

It comes down to your definition of win. People are making the MC out to be a weak willed person not willing to do anything.

So it's basically planned action: succeed ? yes or no?
The consequence is unforeseen and is not part of the victory and is not due to anything the MC did or did not do.

For instance:
The MC foiled their plan to join the Sorority. Did he succeed? Of course he did. It was a win. (Short-lived for sure)
Het set out to foil their plan and he did.

The fact that this enabled Kate to achieve something much better for the BS, is not down the MC's execution or success.
It's down to Kate's brilliance ( sociopath if you will) abilities. Shes just better then the MC at this revenge game. She's had years of practice (Plus a superior teacher in her dad) on him.

It's a chess game, and at this stage she is ahead, it's not the end yet.

He is an amateur and she's a pro. It would be unrealistic for him to just straight out win against her.
People are focusing too much on Sarah, Charlotte, Annie and Emma since the have emotional attachments to them, but they are only cannon fodder/ peons for Kate.

The true rivalry is between Kate and the MC. That is where everything is at.
So far the MC is winning some battles, but still losing the war. That is to be expected at this stage is it not?

basically MC is taking a few pawns while Kate is taking knights and rooks

 

[Alfius]

basically MC is taking a few pawns while Kate is taking knights and rooks

Agree, but the game is not over until it's over.
It's only halfway through and the MC is improving his game as his playing along.

The question does linger, does he lose his soul (morals if you like) in the process.

 

[FatGiant]

Agree, but the game is not over until it's over.
It's only halfway through and the MC is improving his game as his playing along.

The question does linger, does he lose his soul (morals if you like) in the process.

I think the question, right now, goes even further, his soul or ours?

Because to me, it isn't the MC that gets corrupted, it's me. I'm not doing the things, but I am the one making the choice to do them. And now come the relativisation, "It's just a game". Sure, sure, it's a game. It isn't real. It doesn't matter. Yet, the same brain that would choose if it was real, has the choice now in the "game". The same conscience, the same "morals".

So, whatever happens as a consequence of your actions "in game", is on YOU. We can blame the Dev because we have less choices than IRL, yet, even when you have a choice, what do you DO.

Yeah, yeah, I can fight immersion, I can play as a psychopath, I can do all that. I just don't want to.

Peace

 

[Derpyshanks]

It comes down to your definition of win. People are making the MC out to be a weak willed person not willing to do anything.

So it's basically planned action: succeed ? yes or no?
The consequence is unforeseen and is not part of the victory and is not due to anything the MC did or did not do.

For instance:
The MC foiled their plan to join the Sorority. Did he succeed? Of course he did. It was a win. (Short-lived for sure)
Het set out to foil their plan and he did.

The fact that this enabled Kate to achieve something much better for the BS, is not down the MC's execution or success.
It's down to Kate's brilliance ( sociopath if you will) abilities. Shes just better then the MC at this revenge game. She's had years of practice (Plus a superior teacher in her dad) on him.

It's a chess game, and at this stage she is ahead, it's not the end yet.

He is an amateur and she's a pro. It would be unrealistic for him to just straight out win against her.
People are focusing too much on Sarah, Charlotte, Annie and Emma since the have emotional attachments to them, but they are only cannon fodder/ peons for Kate.

The true rivalry is between Kate and the MC. That is where everything is at.
So far the MC is winning some battles, but still losing the war. That is to be expected at this stage is it not?

The MC foiled their plan to join the Sorority. Did he succeed? Of course he did. It was a win. (Short-lived for sure)
Het set out to foil their plan and he did.

This isn't a win. can't be. It was a means to an end. The whole point was to prevent B5 influence in their new campus environment(Not to prevent them joining the sorority) and it backfired like you posted.

He is an amateur and she's a pro. It would be unrealistic for him to just straight out win against her.
People are focusing too much on Sarah, Charlotte, Annie and Emma since the have emotional attachments to them, but they are only cannon fodder/ peons for Kate.

The game is called Bitch Squad. They come as a package. Of course people are focus on all five of them. >.>

It comes down to your definition of win. People are making the MC out to be a weak willed person not willing to do anything.

Oh~, the MC does stuff. They just don't amount to quote "wins" imo but hey, in your list you had MC raping Emma as a win so I'm not sure what your definition of a win is.

The true rivalry is between Kate and the MC. That is where everything is at.
So far the MC is winning some battles, but still losing the war. That is to be expected at this stage is it not?

Like I posted before, the only thing MC got over them is Kate blowjob scene or Charlotte blackmail. And in Kate's case, MC hasn't done much with it as Emma did to Charlotte with her blackmail plot so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Bestinian]

Man, people really expecting Kate to be the villain? It's possible I suppose, but the subtext at the very most has her doing these bad things for some undisclosed good reason. If she was basically manipulating these girls in order to have her own hit squad she would be acting very differently. We don't see that. We see her almost desperate to get into the sorority, willing to suck off randos and all sorts of stuff to achieve this goal we have no idea what it is. It seems very likely that her dad is going to be the big bad, and she will have been working against him to "save the world" or what have you. Notice the two dudes we saw work for her dad, not for her. And everything we have seen them do so far in college hits has been in retaliation.

And that is the main problem with why there is next to no catharsis in the revenge scenarios thus far. because the collateral damage is always worse than the real damage. The first "win" is something you cannot avoid, and it's against the woobie of the BS. That win destroyed the lives of the entire sorority except the BS. Now that I think about it, anyone at that college and the sorority should be suspicious of Kate and crew. If Kate was supposed to be the villain, she should have leaked images from the entire BS initiation at the same time. Thus she can more easily claim to be a victim. Then have her keep Annie in line, or anyone else who in the BS might not have wanted THEIR images leaked. The MC's crew should be building allies from the Sorority, but Rachel got kicked out of college, Show inner turmoil inside the crew.

But we don't see that, and you can't argue that the MC isn't in a position to see it, because we often see what is happening on their side, and there is zero infighting, zero real manipulation, nothing is seen other than genuine friendship and loyalty. Which just doesn't work well for a villainous group. Hell, it doesn't even work that well for a Hosue of the Dragon style everyone is doing fucked up shit story either. The MC and his gang are the instigators the entire game, and there are more arguments in the camp of the good guys than anywhere else.

 

[AL.d]

1) Embarrassed Sarah (Naked Picure)

This is TBD. Sarah bounce back and became some amateur nudist. Now I'm assuming in future updates she'll have a mental breakdown but can't call this a win. Yet.

2) Humiliated Kate b(BJ)

This might be the closest thing to a win. I could make an argument against it but for argument sake, lets call this a win.

3) Foiled their plans to join the sorority

Hell no. This "plan" turned Kate into a influential juggernaut at campus. Hell, she's even making a new one. Can't call it a win if this is the end result.

4) Blackmailed Charlotte

Like 2) this is a close win. See now if you could do both 2 and this one in a single playthrough then this list would have some legs under it. Fact you have to pick one is...yeah...

5) Did some things to Emma (Did not play this path, but I heard about R...)

Shouldn't have to explain this. This isn't a win. This isn't revenge. This is just rape.

6) Caused one of the BS to be investigated over fraud.

This is also TBD. But again like before, the B5 in the next update can flip it on it's head and come out on top. They already have motive and power to do just that imo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



In conclusion, imo only 2 and 4 can really count as a win and even that is a loss cause you can only pick one... Which is totally what we all wanted.

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I wouldn't count any sexual act involving the BS a win. They are established as very manipulative (especially Kate) with no qualms about using any means to achieve their goal. Including their body. In a realistic setting these are actually loses for MC, not wins. Emma even commented on that a few updates back (so it's not like the game doesn't aknowledge it), as long as he thinks with his dick, he is playing into their hands. Any of his sexual interactions with Emma or Kate, could have made for a very interesting video that would have MC be the first victim of Kate's feminist movement. The game just temporarily dumbs down the bitches so those scenes can happen...

 

[dkitten]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this game. Please don't stop dev! Keep up the good story!

 

[WastedTalent]

Man, people really expecting Kate to be the villain? It's possible I suppose, but the subtext at the very most has her doing these bad things for some undisclosed good reason. If she was basically manipulating these girls in order to have her own hit squad she would be acting very differently. We don't see that. We see her almost desperate to get into the sorority, willing to suck off randos and all sorts of stuff to achieve this goal we have no idea what it is. It seems very likely that her dad is going to be the big bad, and she will have been working against him to "save the world" or what have you. Notice the two dudes we saw work for her dad, not for her. And everything we have seen them do so far in college hits has been in retaliation.

And that is the main problem with why there is next to no catharsis in the revenge scenarios thus far. because the collateral damage is always worse than the real damage. The first "win" is something you cannot avoid, and it's against the woobie of the BS. That win destroyed the lives of the entire sorority except the BS. Now that I think about it, anyone at that college and the sorority should be suspicious of Kate and crew. If Kate was supposed to be the villain, she should have leaked images from the entire BS initiation at the same time. Thus she can more easily claim to be a victim. Then have her keep Annie in line, or anyone else who in the BS might not have wanted THEIR images leaked. The MC's crew should be building allies from the Sorority, but Rachel got kicked out of college, Show inner turmoil inside the crew.

But we don't see that, and you can't argue that the MC isn't in a position to see it, because we often see what is happening on their side, and there is zero infighting, zero real manipulation, nothing is seen other than genuine friendship and loyalty. Which just doesn't work well for a villainous group. Hell, it doesn't even work that well for a Hosue of the Dragon style everyone is doing fucked up shit story either. The MC and his gang are the instigators the entire game, and there are more arguments in the camp of the good guys than anywhere else.

I wouldn't call anyone in this story a "good guy". It doesn't matter what Kate actually is her and her friends deserve worse than they are getting except for the rape thing... Not personally a fan well maybe Charlette for her sadistic mistreatment of others maybe it would be nice if she could experience a lot of what she put others through but as has been pointed out her mom died so she became a psycho? Makes no sense. Kate may or may not be a villain in the classic sense but her actions in no way show her to be a good person except to her inner circle. (not entirely sure that isn't just a means to an end for her) It's the dev's presentation of the whole story from beginning to now that is the issue. The start was powerful and after that everything plummeted. Starting with the loyalty of the squad... no group of friends are that loyal followed by Annie then Ashley... will anyone pick the MC over them? I mean it's pretty bad when even Ashley as an outsider chooses them over him. I do believe that Kate thinks she's the good guy in a sort of narcissistic self important kind of way or something and by believing her own fairy tale the other girls believe in the squad and their goals as well.

 

[herreraaa]

Question, we can have an ending with Amber?
All other girls(Ashley included) seems so fake.

 

[drifter139]

Question, we can have an ending with Amber?
All other girls(Ashley included) seems so fake.

doubtful. it's looking like she'll become unstable at some point

 

[robrize2169]

i did a run where i didn't have Amber going nutso on Charlotte so the possibility of an Amber gf at some point is a possibility since atm she is just about having fun with the mc rather than getting into something serious. and if mc rejects Ashley as gf he is doing it because he doesn't feel ready for a proper relationship which he isn't since he is fucking several other girls as well as Ashley. college is a time to sow your oats so having mc do that is the way to go. Ashley may come across as a good gf, but she is missing one thing in a relationship with mc. and that is with befriending Kate knowing full well that mc has issues with her and she is moving towards not believing in his issues because Kate is pulling her into her web of deceit. Kate is vile. she steps on whoever gets in her way. she has said multiple times her end justifies her means and she will not change that attitude until something makes her. perhaps finding out her dad is a criminal/murderer/cultist might do the trick.

 

[Alfius]

Question, we can have an ending with Amber?
All other girls(Ashley included) seems so fake.

I would not rule out an ending with Amber. (I think the chance to end up with her is about 50/50)

Another girl you can maybe pursue is Linda (Ashley's roommate)

 

[drifter139]

i did a run where i didn't have Amber going nutso on Charlotte so the possibility of an Amber gf at some point is a possibility since atm she is just about having fun with the mc rather than getting into something serious. and if mc rejects Ashley as gf he is doing it because he doesn't feel ready for a proper relationship which he isn't since he is fucking several other girls as well as Ashley. college is a time to sow your oats so having mc do that is the way to go. Ashley may come across as a good gf, but she is missing one thing in a relationship with mc. and that is with befriending Kate knowing full well that mc has issues with her and she is moving towards not believing in his issues because Kate is pulling her into her web of deceit. Kate is vile. she steps on whoever gets in her way. she has said multiple times her end justifies her means and she will not change that attitude until something makes her. perhaps finding out her dad is a criminal/murderer/cultist might do the trick.

somehow I doubt finding out would do anything. Kate, much like her father, is a sociopath and narcissist and would gaslight anyone who doesn't believe her outright. Ashley came from a small town where I doubt she had any experience with people like Kate and as a result, she is easily manipulated into a position where she'll defend Kate from any and all accusations against her. by the time she realizes what happened, MC will have moved on and she'll either be stuck with toxic friends who ruin lives for fun or be alone since no one will want to trust her. people like Kate only stand by someone while they are useful and the minute they aren't useful, tend to abandon them. much like with the dean who claimed to be a family friend and now faces possibly being dismissed for what Kate and her friends leaked