You can just mana drain the knight and he becomes a nonissue.
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it has like 3 weeks that dlc3 was released and 1 week that was translated on dlsite, so yeah its out, but not here, yet
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Get health regen somehow, mabel's boss rush reward, jubjub bow, viscera, some rings. For actually doing damage, acid rain + bleed + both poisons + burn (altogether 15% damage) and throw in either scythe weapon to get around the attack debuff. You can also just cheese her by wearing abhorrent cloak or god fish ring. It prevents healing but not regeneration. Her attacks are actually healing you which in turn does damage because of the domain.
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So are you telling me that he is the father of mary sue? Also its a weird one that he keep saying that he envy his daughter choose grimm instead of him,but when you beat him before meeting the grand guignol he has a dialog about something
like wait you are not my daughter... .
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Grimm's the pops of Mary Sue?
That can be a funny thing 'coz Grimm has his memory wiped out right? So that can be something Mary Sue added~~~
A false story of which she was "his creator" but in reality is one of his kids all along!!!
Maybe Mary Sue is the one who has the "notice me senpai" syndrome or "I want to be the favorite child!!!" kind of thing.
But heyyy, it's all a speculation...A GAM- No...
Not sure how you drew that conclusion from what I said. He's just insane, don't put too much stock in his words. Gran Guignol is literally Mary Sue's power to create that was stolen from her by Node and turned into another outer one. If anything, prince of hell is more likely GG's child.
He's talking about an npc from the dlc. Grimm is definitely not Mary Sue's dad.
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The prince of hell. Not really important in game I think but he is a recurring nightmare spirit. Three times he fights you. First time on a chain bridge. The second time, he can corner you in a tunnel with a lever. If you pull the lever, he backstabs you and instantly kills you. Third time is past the point of no return. Each fight he performs better. Also characteristic is the item spam he does. First fight he does 20x knife throws. Made me laugh. Third fight, he gets to go first and he goes absolutely wild, killed me even with the new ring that gives 900% defense buff at the start of the fight so don't think your stats will save you. Ended up cheesing him with the revive armor. Probably a better way to do it though. You can also fight him when you first meet him (you can come back later if you want) and he is just as strong as he is in the third nightmare spirit fight. He drops an armor though in this fight. Anyway, as a nightmare spirit he is based on a real person. That person is Andre de Lorde, a writer for the real life Gran Guignol, which is probably why he calls it his child. He wrote 150 plays for the theater and specialized in horror/tragedy.
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His character is literally named after this dude:
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So the "daughter" he refers to is most certainly GG.
He's jealous because GG focuses her attention on "trapping" Grimm in Wonderland. That being said I'm not sure if GG is capable of making any decisions on its own whatsoever.
Here's my personal analysis based on what we found out in DLC3, shortened of course, because fully analyzing Black Souls 3 you could write an entire goddamn book. Full of big, fat spoilers, obviously:
Grand Guignol is a semi-conscious (we don't know if it has a personality or ego at all, it doesn't seem to despite several implications of that being the case) "engine" that runs Wonderland (Garden made by TCO) behind the scenes (the GEARS IN MUH BRAIN). It was built from the Creator power ("ability to change") of Mary Ann/Leaf, ripped out of her for being a bitch by Node, on presumably TCO's orders to construct Wonderland.
The purpose of Wonderland is to harvest emotions from mainly (or perhaps exclusively) Grimm, mainly (or, again, maybe exclusively) "love" or whatever sick and twisted vision of love an Eldritch abomination may try to replicate.
All Outer Ones (inherently logical beings by default, incapable of morality [thus, their "souls" are "black", THUS BLACK SOULS ZZZING]) crave to understand human emotions, and to some extent (according to Mabel) crave attention of mortals as well. At some point, TCO became too immersed in the role of Alice baiting Grimm into an endless pursuit of "love" (and suffering) and went crazy (if Eldritch Gods can go crazy) over it. Thus the "play"/"stage", or Garden stagnated because all it started to serve was TCO's insatiable addiction to "love" as provided by Grimm.
TCO is honestly a huge mystery still because we don't see any of its personality at all during the game other than insane gibberish and sheer desperation to keep Grimm hooked on eldritch cunny. Black Souls II starts at a certain point after the loops have already began (loop number noted by Node in her book I think it starts at 40-something).The most we know is Mabel referring to TCO as a "trickster" which seems accurate considering TCO's inspiration is obviously derived from Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep. Sister/daughter/mother Alices aren't even "played" by TCO itself.
It seems to me like TCO ultimately fell victim to its own game and turned insane due to its addiction to Grimm's love sauce (the metaphysical one). Maybe possibly it's due to Grimm's inherent character trait of having "heroines" fall for him even if he outright rapes them (because he's a self-insert faceless male protagonist, duh) and ultimately perish as they're doomed to suffer, because that's how he was "written" into existence by Mary Ann. SO IN A WAY LEAF FUCKED OVER THE MOTHERFUCKING CRAWLING CHAOS IN THE LONG RUN THAT SMUG FUCKING FAIRY.
Obviously, TCO is not omnipotent (or maybe its intelligence stagnated due to overdosing) even in its own Garden, as it doesn't catch onto Prickett's, Node's and Mabel's plan to get Grimm out of this fucking game (literally and figuratively, HEH) until it's too late.
Like I said, this is all a very simple overview because it gets a lot more complicated when you consider Prickett (real Alice), Grimm's origin as a character himself (an amalgamation of souls of actors such as Andersen, Grimm brothers and obviously Lewis Carroll taken from... somewhere...) and Leaf/Mary Ann doing fuckerous fuckery. And of course, there's also Red, Mary Ann's first written protagonist (I think).
There's also the trio of Jubjub, Bandersnatch and Jabberwock playing the roles of sister, daughter and mother Alice respectively to bait Grimm into the cycles of juicing him out of love. I never really understood their role fully (especially Jabber, who's doubly important because she did some fuckery between BSI and BSII), but I guess they're just secondary actors and TCO doesn't want to/can't participate directly as Alice because it loses control too easily (goes spooky mode Alice the moment Grimm notices something's fucky etc.). Or maybe TCO is just a shitty actor and it's only in it to gorge itself on Grimm's emotions.
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Already mentioned it several times that he is Andre.
GG shows some personality at least when it (I assume its GG that does this) removes prince of hell after you beat him in winterbell. There's also the hscene with alice doll (which was created by GG). At the end it tries to hold Grimm in and Grimm mentions visions of becoming soulless, that might just be part of the doll sex fetish though.
Definitely crawling one has degraded from its past power. IIRC there is dialogue somewhere about how it is much weaker than it used to be because it's trying too hard to be Alice. Weak enough that an old fragment of it, Prickett, could successfully create a domain that crawling one couldn't peer into.
Not all outer ones want in on the human emotions thing. Some outer ones outright rejected the offer (kuti's parents, elemental great ones). Some joined despite not being interested (Jabberwock just wanted to make blacker souls).
Jub Jub, Bandersnatch and Jabberwock aren't Sister, Daughter, Mother Alice. Jub Jub and Bandersnatch get deleted by Jabberwock and Jabberwock herself is killed by Grimm shortly after in G end and the Alices still show up afterwards. They also don't have the same great one form when you fight them as the three nightmares do. Those three Alices are just more great ones that crawling one lured in with her Grimm love plan. One of the videos you can watch in Winterbell shows Sister Alice getting mad at Mabel cause great ones are going missing (one of which being the one that was playing Elder Sister Alice) and Sister Alice thinks Mabel is kidnapping them for her dungeon. She also accuses Mabel of working together with crawling one to trick the other great ones. Mabel tells her they probably got bored/aware of crawling one's trick and just left. Heck, even Mabel says she was part of the harem for a couple laps before getting bored of it.
GG shows some personality at least when it (I assume its GG that does this) removes prince of hell after you beat him in winterbell. There's also the hscene with alice doll (which was created by GG). At the end it tries to hold Grimm in and Grimm mentions visions of becoming soulless, that might just be part of the doll sex fetish though.
Definitely crawling one has degraded from its past power. IIRC there is dialogue somewhere about how it is much weaker than it used to be because it's trying too hard to be Alice. Weak enough that an old fragment of it, Prickett, could successfully create a domain that crawling one couldn't peer into.
Not all outer ones want in on the human emotions thing. Some outer ones outright rejected the offer (kuti's parents, elemental great ones). Some joined despite not being interested (Jabberwock just wanted to make blacker souls).
Jub Jub, Bandersnatch and Jabberwock aren't Sister, Daughter, Mother Alice. Jub Jub and Bandersnatch get deleted by Jabberwock and Jabberwock herself is killed by Grimm shortly after in G end and the Alices still show up afterwards. They also don't have the same great one form when you fight them as the three nightmares do. Those three Alices are just more great ones that crawling one lured in with her Grimm love plan. One of the videos you can watch in Winterbell shows Sister Alice getting mad at Mabel cause great ones are going missing (one of which being the one that was playing Elder Sister Alice) and Sister Alice thinks Mabel is kidnapping them for her dungeon. She also accuses Mabel of working together with crawling one to trick the other great ones. Mabel tells her they probably got bored/aware of crawling one's trick and just left. Heck, even Mabel says she was part of the harem for a couple laps before getting bored of it.
Right before the final battle I think there are supposed to be
s. I have the top and bottom ones
Who is the last?
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Florence. You need Blackwell's letter she leaves behind near the bonfire in the cathedral.
I noticed the secret file wasn't updated with the dlc so I made a new
I noticed the secret file wasn't updated with the dlc so I made a new
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that has the CGs from the dlc. the password is the same as the original Like the old one, this only contains CGs for events you can't replay in the recollection room but doesn't contain any of the CGs of the old one. Also, it doesn't contain the elevator image and doesn't contain 99% of the Liddell house section (just one image I think) which was made entirely with CGs because who wants to look at stairs.
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I think that's because they were against the method conceived by TCO. That or they just don't like/trust TCO.
How does that relate to their appearance behind sister, daughter and mother Alice in ending H then?
I know they're Great Ones on their own, as in the 0 Sen "normal" ending you end up fighting each of them in their "true" form - one of them is named "The Elk Goddess" (I think it was mother Alice) and via its image we know it's Yhoundeh (
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) I don't know what the other two are representing, as in "The Black One" and "Shadow Demoness".None of these are the same "true" eldritch forms as the fights for Bandersnatch, Jubjub and Jabberwock at 0 SEN, which only confuses me further regarding these three...
I think there was an article on the Japanese wiki that had a table correlating every character to their "real" counterpart... can't find it now for the life of me. It was the one that also explained in detail every serial killer reference for the nightmare spirits.
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I'm actually interested in making a list of BS2 characters and their corresponding Lovecraft beings, but that requires too much effort and I'm lazy, plus there hasn't been enough time pass for people to discuss the ones in DLC3 (except Sho because she is too obvious)
Anyway briefly these are the six being discussed here:
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The table is mostly based on how Mazeran, the original artist of these arts, named these sprites in his pack, but many times characters' name, skill, and role in the story etc. also match the description of the corresponding Lovecraft counterpart.
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