Unreal Engine Breeders of the Nephelym [v0.761.52] [DerelictHelmsman]

[Spillthebeans]

Can anyone give me a sense of how complete this is?

It still very much feels incomplete. The game isn't fun to play without cheats as you spend most of your time clicking through menus and walking. Limiting portal access and the breeding sex positions until almost the end of the "progression" path only exacerbates the problem. There are so many things that do nothing or have no purpose such as:

Stats are pointless
Traits still have little purpose or gameplay effects, most of them modify xp gain or lust cost but levels don't matter and lust is easily regained through sleeping
Preferences do nothing
The quest board outside of special requests still has no purpose
Fluids have no use other than for selling and using to capture nephelym
Wild sex is painfully inefficient compared to capturing with fluids and you can only watch the same 2-3 animations so many times before you never do it again
The breeder still has little reason to breed with any nephelym as they can't have nor pass down traits
World levels for each race is a terrible grind, the only way to legitimately raise it in a reasonable timeframe is to mass capture nephelym with fluids and release them en masse

That's off the top of my head and my main issues with the game thus far. Now I'm not a developer and I'm not gonna tell him how to develop his own game but if everyone still wants to cheat to bypass the "game" portion of your porn game after 5+ years of development then maybe you should shift focus on addressing that rather than adding more superfluous frameworks that won't be fleshed out for years after implementation.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

levels don't matter
...
World levels for each race is a terrible grind, the only way to legitimately raise it in a reasonable timeframe is to mass capture nephelym with fluids and release them en masse

Levels and traits matter for World Levels. The base score is modified by these two factors.
Command, Rare, Unique and Legendary Nephs have different base scores.

 

[Spillthebeans]

Levels and traits matter for World Levels. The base score is modified by these two factors.
Command, Rare, Unique and Legendary Nephs have different base scores.

I'm aware but to me it's a moot point. In my own experience it is more efficient to mass capture and release rather than level up and release as to even get to that point of mass leveling you need not only a high level nephelym but a high rank kindhearted trait which can only be gotten by raising the world level. I suppose if you set yourself up eventually it would be better to power level then release but I find quickly hopping between the house to sleep, the breeding yard to level, and then to the respective races barn to release to be more tedious. Moreover, if you pick and choose only the highest ranking nephelym in an area eventually all that will be left are the lower rarities that have to despawn so it's better to just catch them all as you come across them.

 

[Darkanna]

I'm aware but to me it's a moot point. In my own experience it is more efficient to mass capture and release rather than level up and release as to even get to that point of mass leveling you need not only a high level nephelym but a high rank kindhearted trait which can only be gotten by raising the world level. I suppose if you set yourself up eventually it would be better to power level then release but I find quickly hopping between the house to sleep, the breeding yard to level, and then to the respective races barn to release to be more tedious. Moreover, if you pick and choose only the highest ranking nephelym in an area eventually all that will be left are the lower rarities that have to despawn so it's better to just catch them all as you come across them.

I found the most commonly efficient approach was to get a bunch of traits on a Neph, breed it with another traity Neph, then breed with the offspring to boost stats and make it "descended from me." After breeding that one with another traity Neph, release it. Keep going down the line, -> Traity Neph -> Breeder -> Traity Neph -> Breeder, etc.

After levelling them, with the combo of traits, stat grade increases and "descended from Breeder" factors added together, the points are in the thousands.
Capture and release seems to only yield a hundred at a time. So I guess the point is to multiply their value through multiple angles.
It's a pity that multiplied value system doesn't apply to goddess favour, that's still pretty much only worked out by culmination of traits, effort to value wise.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

It's a pity that multiplied value system doesn't apply to goddess favour, that's still pretty much only worked out by culmination of traits, effort to value wise.

Unless the Neph is sterile. In which case it doesn't matter how many other traits it has. The Goddess Favour value of all sterile nephs is 0. I generally use Sterile Nephs to level the ones I know I'll just end up releasing. Still praying for the day I get a Stoic Hornball Kindhearted Sterile Neph.

 

[Darkanna]

I think, from a game design perspective, his best bet for enhancing gameplay with minimal effort on his part, would be to make the bounty board mean something. He's removed the grungy trait so that Romy is useless: maybe he needs to bring that back but make it so that grungies can't breed so you don't accidentally spread it, instead.

Here's my thinking...
He could add a staging system to the bounty board so that early bounties reflect the available gene pool of the player.
The bounties could have a base orgasium reward defined by the difficulty of the request.
He could add additional rewards to higher tier bounties, such as population cap increases becoming available with Cassie, discounts with all orgasium based traders, add the opportunity to gain traits based on the highest value nephs with those traits when traded with people who don't trade with orgasium, and so on.
Another thing he could do is make the Alchemy Guild bounties into lending bounties, since they're only really after the fluids, which could level up and return the nephs after a few days, which means those bounties could be more demanding without the player needing to sacrifice some of their best nephs. That would present a good challenge.

(edit) Adding a mailbox in the style of Stardew Valley could add some good text based flavour and missions without too much effort as well. (/edit)

(edit2) Another idea would be to add an Intelligence stat, where wild nephs always have it at zero, and it only grows with player genes (or Blessed genes, if they become available). Then base the preferences system entirely on that stat, so low Intelligence nephs have few preferences and high Int ones have a lot (including the added value that comes with that). (/edit2)

Sorry, I sometimes drop tl;dr's, especially with my coffee.

 

[CaptainBipto]

Unless the Neph is sterile. In which case it doesn't matter how many other traits it has. The Goddess Favour value of all sterile nephs is 0. I generally use Sterile Nephs to level the ones I know I'll just end up releasing. Still praying for the day I get a Stoic Hornball Kindhearted Sterile Neph.

You may know this already, but you don't really need sterile neph any more to level up characters.
You can still level up pregnant characters, in the breeding pen, and use pregnant characters to level up others. If the character is female, they actually get an XP boost for being pregnant, futa characters don't get that bonus though.
As a bonus, if you release a pregnant nephelym, they are worth more points towards the WL, than a non-pregnant female/futa.

 

[Spillthebeans]

I found the most commonly efficient approach was to get a bunch of traits on a Neph, breed it with another traity Neph, then breed with the offspring to boost stats and make it "descended from me." After breeding that one with another traity Neph, release it. Keep going down the line, -> Traity Neph -> Breeder -> Traity Neph -> Breeder, etc.

After levelling them, with the combo of traits, stat grade increases and "descended from Breeder" factors added together, the points are in the thousands.
Capture and release seems to only yield a hundred at a time. So I guess the point is to multiply their value through multiple angles.
It's a pity that multiplied value system doesn't apply to goddess favour, that's still pretty much only worked out by culmination of traits, effort to value wise.

That's interesting, I had no idea that the breeders offspring had any benefit but my main issue with this route is that I presume it assumes the player has pregnancy off, if not there would be a lot of waiting in between births. Considering that you need a higher world level to get more traits you're kind of stuck initially until you can get at least one race maxed out to get the ball rolling so to speak, not to mention the rng nature of trait inheritance.

He could add a staging system to the bounty board so that early bounties reflect the available gene pool of the player.
The bounties could have a base orgasium reward defined by the difficulty of the request.

There are still a few more gates to be added so I suppose he's waiting to implement them before touching the quest board, I believe there are at least 3 more gates planned.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

You may know this already, but you don't really need sterile neph any more to level up characters.
You can still level up pregnant characters, in the breeding pen, and use pregnant characters to level up others. If the character is female, they actually get an XP boost for being pregnant, futa characters don't get that bonus though.
As a bonus, if you release a pregnant nephelym, they are worth more points towards the WL, than a non-pregnant female/futa.

I know, but they are actually very useful for population control as well.

 

[RubyZeronyka]

Yeah one of the previous updates removed the limitation of females not being able to use the breeding yard to have sex if they got prego (Thank goodness it did). It was quite frustrating before having regular females not being able to use it at all when they got pregnant and having futas be limited to be "feminine males" while the same happened to them. Now both can keep having sex even if they are currently pregnant which made the "Get a sterile Neph" process sort of pointless or say totally unneeded. Simply get a Neph (Or nephs if you play without the Infinite Lust cheat) pregnant and they can be the ones that helps you to gain levels.

Tho not exactly sure how with the whole new stats system the leveling works, specially with the vagrant system.

 

[Darkanna]

Yeah one of the previous updates removed the limitation of females not being able to use the breeding yard to have sex if they got prego (Thank goodness it did). It was quite frustrating before having regular females not being able to use it at all when they got pregnant and having futas be limited to be "feminine males" while the same happened to them. Now both can keep having sex even if they are currently pregnant which made the "Get a sterile Neph" process sort of pointless or say totally unneeded. Simply get a Neph (Or nephs if you play without the Infinite Lust cheat) pregnant and they can be the ones that helps you to gain levels.

Tho not exactly sure how with the whole new stats system the leveling works, specially with the vagrant system.

New stats system seems to work like this:
E to B: fuck enough times with Nephs with decent stats, D can get you to C, C can get you to B. E can get you to D, ofc.
Your stat max is 1000, it's also Neph max unless they're better than B. Nephs with stats high enough despite being only E can count as higher than their grade (edit: I'm pretty sure, training you up to B).

A: you'll need another B to mate with. Keep doing that.
Your max is 1200.

S: you'll need another A to mate with and their stats must be above 1000.
Your stat max is 1500.

Stat gradings are transferred to offspring in a similar manner to levelled traits. They appear to contribute towards release value, but I'm not sure about ascension value. Increasing the player's stats is easiest at the start, so the player's offspring is worth more. (edit: if you breed two generations down, while still using E class stat Nephs, the offspring might look similar to you but their stats will mostly return to racial level 1 normal)

It seems more likely to up a stat to A or S for the player by mating with a race of Neph who has that stat high naturally than to do so with one of your own descendants of another race who has the exact same stat grade and level.

 

[RubyZeronyka]

New stats system seems to work like this:
E to B: fuck enough times with Nephs with decent stats, D can get you to C, C can get you to B. E can get you to D, ofc.
Your stat max is 1000, it's also Neph max unless they're better than B. Nephs with stats high enough despite being only E can count as higher than their grade (edit: I'm pretty sure, training you up to B).

A: you'll need another B to mate with. Keep doing that.
Your max is 1200.

S: you'll need another A to mate with and their stats must be above 1000.
Your stat max is 1500.

Stat gradings are transferred to offspring in a similar manner to levelled traits. They appear to contribute towards release value, but I'm not sure about ascension value. Increasing the player's stats is easiest at the start, so the player's offspring is worth more. (edit: if you breed two generations down, while still using E class stat Nephs, the offspring might look similar to you but their stats will mostly return to racial level 1 normal)

It seems more likely to up a stat to A or S for the player by mating with a race of Neph who has that stat high naturally than to do so with one of your own descendants of another race who has the exact same stat grade and level.

Oh dear, just reading this almost crashed my brain XD

So basically now not only you gain levels but you get overall ranks depending on that level?

 

[Darkanna]

Oh dear, just reading this almost crashed my brain XD

So basically now not only you gain levels but you get overall ranks depending on that level?

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Sorry, I'm prone to tl;dr, I'm aware of this fault and trying to work on it, but they usually come out while I'm having my wakeup coffee.
I'll try to put it in two sentences:
Each stat tier needs to be challenged by a Neph who has that stat at the same tier, but at the higher levels it requires a little more, like the stat being above 1000 in addition to being A tier to reach S tier - I don't think character level is directly required.
The tiers are arranged like when you're grading modern RPG builds or classes (E-A, then S for Special) and your own character is the only one that can train them up in her own lifetime.

 

[Terut]

Sorry, I'm prone to tl;dr, I'm aware of this fault and trying to work on it, but they usually come out while I'm having my wakeup coffee.
I'll try to put it in two sentences:
Each stat tier needs to be challenged by a Neph who has that stat at the same tier, but at the higher levels it requires a little more, like the stat being above 1000 in addition to being A tier to reach S tier - I don't think character level is directly required.
The tiers are arranged like when you're grading modern RPG builds or classes (E-A, then S for Special) and your own character is the only one that can train them up in her own lifetime.

So just have the trainer and one mate fuck endlessly until both are S rank.

 

[Spillthebeans]

Sorry, I'm prone to tl;dr, I'm aware of this fault and trying to work on it, but they usually come out while I'm having my wakeup coffee.
I'll try to put it in two sentences:
Each stat tier needs to be challenged by a Neph who has that stat at the same tier, but at the higher levels it requires a little more, like the stat being above 1000 in addition to being A tier to reach S tier - I don't think character level is directly required.
The tiers are arranged like when you're grading modern RPG builds or classes (E-A, then S for Special) and your own character is the only one that can train them up in her own lifetime.

I have a question, is it possible to receive stat increases from having "wild sex" as well? I do know that the higher level the wild nephelym is the more xp you get during wild sex but I haven't tested it enough to see if you can also get stat gains/rank increases.

 

[Darkanna]

So just have the trainer and one mate fuck endlessly until both are S rank.

No, you need to up the stat tiers generation by generation, or by increasing world level for the Neph you want to train on.
Only the player's tiers go up, Nephs have what they're summoned/born with.

 

[Darkanna]

I have a question, is it possible to receive stat increases from having "wild sex" as well? I do know that the higher level the wild nephelym is the more xp you get during wild sex but I haven't tested it enough to see if you can also get stat gains/rank increases.

I'm not sure, I dimly remember gaining a rank in strength while doing my favourite type of game start, being chased down by wolves, but I don't know if it's a real memory. Only one way to test it, I guess.

(edit)
Just made a new character and had the same Vulwarg (with D-tier strength) "train" me about 7 times and got to level 4 with no tier increase. Guess it's my sleep deprived mind playing tricks on me again, after all.
(/edit)

 

[theimpregnator]

When I open the game it goes to the loading screen then shuts off how do I fix this?

 

[CaptainBipto]

I have a question, is it possible to receive stat increases from having "wild sex" as well? I do know that the higher level the wild nephelym is the more xp you get during wild sex but I haven't tested it enough to see if you can also get stat gains/rank increases.

Pretty sure you can boost your stat ranks via wild sex. My current breeder has all S ranks (finally) and I didn't spend a lot of time in the breeding pen trying to train any stat, it was just random level ups that occurred while capturing wild nephelym. I do believe that you do need to sex up a nephelym with stats/ranks higher than yours before you get a chance for them to go up.

 

[BackSlash2554]

The bad news:
0.753.6 removed incest again (fixed what was probably an oversight on the developer's end).

The good news:
The patcher works on 0.753.6

What patcher? Where? I need it DX