It's the most frequent bug of this version (0.6), I think people have been able to "solve" the problem by doing that mission in version 0.5.2 and use the save file in v.0.6
You're right it's pointless but what is so wrong about having those discussions sometimes?, I mean positive discussion are as pointless as the one about NTR because as you said, at the end Patron's opinions is what matters to them
Discussions about anything other than bugs need fixing and "when is the new update" is good for this thread because that means we're all still distracted enough by another topics and they can focus working on the other game
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'All the whining from the users of a pirate site means literally nothing to commercial projects'
You do realize some of your patrons comes from here, a pirate site where your work gets advertised for FREE, right?
It's never a 'war', just conflict of interest; which happens because they're railroading people into one choice. If that scenario was made optional from the start all of this won't happen, yanno.
People have their own fetish, and while most of us don't kinkshame, there's always select few loud minorities that did. Yes, I'm one of the people who don't want to see any forced NTR just for the sake of NTR, but can understand how and why Rika did it: she used to be a breeder, she wanted to get back into it after watching MC screwing how many monsters in the front yard, openly, daily, for their sake. On the other hand I also understand the opinion of people who wanted Rika to stay attached to only MC, because she has a 'debt' of being saved from depression and regaining her value as a woman, not a widow by death.
But the way them, without splicing words, shamefully railroading the events with Rika finding a stray werewolf to have sex with and MC transforming into a werewolf JUST to not lose to a random monster's dick is just lazy writing. There's a lot of more unused plot points you already can use; like MC's soul being time-shifted from the time he died in sea during Crimea wars by the remnants of Rika's husband and gets placed into the sentient werewolf's mana body, which can happen because his soul, like other Crimeans has been infused with enough magic the demon realm mistook it with a monster's soul and thus gets sent into human realm when two souls combined. Why's the sentient werewolf still alive? Because the queen took it as plaything, and the ship crash was something she orchestrated in the first place to get him away from the farm. He learned the facts later and escaped, trying to resurrect Rika's husband by doing the soul fusion magic but summoned you instead, which later explains why you're able to turn into werewolf and not with a stupid motive like hurr durr I got NTR'd by a werewolf so why not ask the witch to turn me into one because I'm fucking jealous.
But that's not the point, after all this is just a silly porn game about breeding monsters, it shouldn't have such detailed plot in the first place as it runs on porn logic of 'uber horny mc screws anything that moves' and it's best kept that way.
Tl;dr keep both routes for anybody who want them but make it optional and don't attach the werewolf transformation to it. That's how it should be done in the first place anyways.
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As for me, the easiest way would be not to add the transformation into a werewolf at all, since there are enough werewolves in the game, but to make a choice BEFORE the RikaXwerewolf scene. You make the right choice - you get the route of pure love and romantic relationships. If you make the wrong choice, you get the this scene and the opportunity to add Rika to the breeding pit.
But this will not happen, since the route of becoming a werewolf is much longer than the scene with Rika. And its removal is a lot of time and effort wasted. It was necessary to think through the plot in advance so as not to delete scenes.
Yes, but my game is not a commercial project. I don't change my game content to please certain groups to get supporters, I create it to suit my vision. It's thanks to both my small community of supporters and the players on this forum that I have so many tips and kind people willing to support and help me.
Essentially a fight. How many pages here and other threads constantly debating NTR...? I mean, I decided to talk out about this because it's boring for players to search for information about any game, but only find the endless war of NTR lovers vs anti-NTR paladins.
I can't imagine how it feels to be a mod and need to clean up threads. xD
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Fetish scenes should never be a punishment.
By making a specific fetish into a punish you are saying that this fetish is a bad thing. If it is a bad thing why even cater to it?
Fetishes should always be a player's choice.
Now... if the fetish specifically includes loss of choice. (being dominated, raped, etc). it should still be a player's choice on whether that happens to the character.
ex, prompt the player with the option:
[You heroically escape]
[You trip and fall, and are then raped]
this is a meta choice. asking what happened.
The question of approach to this choice. If you make the choice (in this case, I called them "good and bad" just for the sake of example) to confess your love to Rika, then this will lead to the route of pure love. If you say that you like sex with her, but you like someone else, then this does not lead to NTR, but to sharing. That's what I meant.
Well, in my understanding, NTR also implies punishment for choice. If this is the player's choice, then this is no longer NTR, but cuckold. If you make the right choice, you avoid NTR, if you make the wrong one, you get NTR. NTR is essentially stealing someone close to you. No one can steal from you what you gave him yourself.
This is a very VERY weird way to look at games. The inevitability of events is part of the plot, you make a choice and this choice leads you to some kind of consequences. You offer the choice of a "win" button and a "lose" button. If you want to see a certain fetish, wouldn't it be better to choose a game with that fetish instead of asking for the "rape me" button? If you don't want your character to be raped, avoid the "rape" tag or any other that you don't like. I would understand if it was about choosing "to see or not certain content", but choosing each character step is too much. Imagine if in Skyrim at the very beginning you were given a choice:
- a Stormcloak soldier is killed
- a Stormcloak soldier is not killed
- a Stormcloak soldier is killed and a dragon arrives
- a Stormcloak soldier is killed and no dragon arrives
What if I don't like dragons? Can I choose not to have dragons spawn in the game?
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Regular games are meant to be an enjoyable challenge.
Porn games are meant to get you off.
If you are fapping and suddnely punished with something you hate because you failed a task, it ruins the whole thing.
Different target audiences. People play porn to fap, not to challenge themselves.
I think there's a huge dissonance between the game's story, some characters and the game's main mechanic (breeding). I will start with Rika, if we isolate her first main story quest, we could see that it's quite serious and personal to the point that it does not look like we are playing a game about people having sex with monsters and that's where the problem begin, I'm quite sure if her story started with her being horny for werewolves (hidden desires without lycan transformation) seeing her having sex with a werewolf would have had a different impact. Another issue are characters that do not get in the pit for instance, instead of either getting the first elf or the chief for the pit, we get a random one, and for that we lose the chance of getting content for characters that have been pretty much forgotten.
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I fully agree, yes.
but that is a different argument from "should certain porn fetishes be used as a punishment"
Don't you think it's kind of masochistic if you choose a game that offers you something that you don't like? The game will not punish you if you choose the one that suits you. You're not complaining about a shoe manufacturer for choosing shoes 2 sizes too small.
And you're basically wrong. Most of the games tagged "rape" give you scenes after defeat. And this is probably 70% of games with a female main character. You are essentially arguing not with me, but with a whole genre of games.
And I began this conversation with the topic of NTR, which in itself is a punishment. If you chose to be NTRed, then this is a cuckold. This is a different tag and genre.
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We are discussing proper game design. "just don't play the game if it contains content you dislike" is... really shit take.
1. It is usually unclear exactly what is in the game before you actually play the game
2. Vast majority of games will contain something you dislike. albeit usually optional.
3. This has nothing to do with proper game design.
4. You keep on trying to force this to be an NTR argument when it isn't.
double facepalm.
You are literally trying to argue that netorare doesn't exist.
Literally every single person who enjoys it is choosing to inflict it upon themselves. You are trying to argue that makes it "not netorare". Ridiculous.
What's wrong with you, dude? I specifically wrote that I called the choice "good and bad" just for the sake of example.
But you still keep putting pressure on it. I played along with you and gave examples of games in which scenes exist as punishment, but now you fall into hysterics because of this. And you say that I'm trying to push NTR.
I wrote directly and clearly that NTR tags and cuckold tags are different things, as well as Netori's tag. Although they imply the same event, but from different perspectives for the player. But now you write me some kind of nonsense, as if I were saying that NTR does not exist.
Are you all right?
P.S. Honestly, I'm tired of replying to messages from people who are not able to read my message before starting to argue with it. At least give it a try, there's not a lot of text that you can't handle.
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I do read your messages, I just disagree with you.
Why is being disagreed with so upsetting to you?
Yes you wrote things clearly.
Those things you wrote clearly were clearly very wrong.
So I countered by explaining why they are wrong.
The fact I still disagreed with you does not mean I didn't read what you said.
Since you are specifically bringing up a specific line again let me address it more clearly.
You are making an appeal to authority here.
Your authority is "70% of rape games"
Yes I will absolutely argue that "70%" (assuming your number is correct) of rape games are badly designed. because they require you to lose to see the sex scenes.
Your argument is as nonsensical as saying "most sandbox games are very grindy. so very grindy == good"
No, very grindy is actually very bad.
Whoever said the majority of games are flawless games who contain no mistakes by the developer?
And I am in fact arguing with you, because you are the one who insists those are good games who made good gameplay decisions. You just shifted gears from trying to properly justify your position, into an appeal to authority where you say "well 70% of indie developers of rape games agree with me about the correct way to apply a fetish".
It upsets me because you are arguing with something that I did not write!
This genre is probably older than you. Are you sure that you have the right to say that it is poorly designed? Yes, I don't like that approach either. I don't see the point in deliberately losing to get scenes, thats why I don't like the cuckold genre either. But this genre not only exists, but also flourishes ("rape", so you don't confuse). So my argument can't be meaningless, since a lot of people support this concept of games.
I did not say anything about the fact that developers cannot be wrong.
Again.
Whether they are good or not is up to you to decide. For the developer, these are simply decisions that will lead the story in one direction or another. And depending on the person, different solutions can be good.
On what issue should I justify my position if I give you arguments, and you say that I switch to something? I told you directly that in certain genres of games, scenes can be punishment and gave you an example of such games. I said directly that the story is written by the creator of the game and you either follow it or choose another game to your liking and you cannot demand from the developer that he gives you the opportunity to create your own story, choosing what result you can get from certain actions. You can't ask a coffee machine to give you a cup of tea. Either you buy coffee in it, or you go to another machine. And here the man was saying that he wanted the choice to have tea in the coffee machine, because he didn't want to go to the tea machine.
Seriously, are you sure you're okay?
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Dumpstered until there's a release that doesn't require a previous version to get past.
Most games break on earlier saves; it takes real genius to make one that breaks on current ones.
Most games break on earlier saves; it takes real genius to make one that breaks on current ones.
I have completed, like, 3 quests and no more appear to be available. Did I do something wrong or there is no more story?