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oahuebydao

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It's a game with porn, rather than porn with a game. The difference is subtle but staggering. I'm not gonna give you a proper response on the rest of the commentary because it's very clear you didn't bother checking the roadmap in the first post.
You didn't seem to understand my point. Devs pay a massive, massive price for putting sex in games - so by making a game with porn, you get the worst of both worlds. Both the current game and the roadmap point towards this being a mechanically derivative and poorly-executed game, *and* unsexy porn, when it could have been great porn. The games you recommended are mechanically derivate RPGM games with horrible art. You're missing my point that this massive-budget 3D project is a wasted opportunity to make a great sex game because you're being reflexively defensive.
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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You didn't seem to understand my point. Devs pay a massive, massive price for putting sex in games - so by making a game with porn, you get the worst of both worlds. Both the current game and the roadmap point towards this being a mechanically derivative and poorly-executed game, *and* unsexy porn, when it could have been great porn. The games you recommended are mechanically derivate RPGM games with horrible art. You're missing my point that this massive-budget 3D project is a wasted opportunity to make a great sex game because you're being reflexively defensive.
I understand your point perfectly. I just think you're not the target market and, rather than making the sensible choice and moving on to a project you might actually like, you've opted to complain about it here. The complaints are masquerading as observations about poor choices by the developers, but let's be honest: your biggest complaints are that the game doesn't specifically cater to you. Every single system in the game is still in development and changing over time. Some systems, such as the "unsexy porn" you're complaining about, are explicitly earmarked in the roadmap you claimed to have read for total overhaul from the top. Which is why I assume you haven't actually read the roadmap, because otherwise you'd know that the sex in the game right now is a temporary measure slated for removal once they've got a far more complex, player-controlled system in place.

I acknowledge significant parts of the game need work and redesign, but you know what? That's the default state of a pre-alpha (aka first playable) project, and I've watched the developers redo and improve most of the game multiple times over in the last year. And they're still planning to change so much of what's here that we legitimately don't know what the final product will look like mechanically because there's as much similarity to the before and after states of their overhauls as there is to the chapter titles and actual chapters in an old fantasy novel.

As for my suggestions about horribly derivative RPGM games: I stand by that recommendation. You are clearly not looking for a game like this one. Whether you'd be better off with an image gallery masquerading as a story (like most orcsoft visual novels) or something like a heavily modded sims or skyrim install isn't something I can say. But I can say, from the two interactions thus far, that this game is clearly not for you. Unless you're about to break out comparisons to a game like Midnight Castle Succubus (and the rest of the series), I'm going to assume you really don't understand the appeal of a full game with porn integration.

Side note: in what world is derivative inherently bad? That's like arguing that The Lion King is bad because it derives from Hamlet, and that Hamlet is bad because it derives from Amleth. Far worse to try to be original and make something unutterably horrible, than to be derivative and familiar. Is Stardew Valley a terrible game because it draws the vast majority of what it does from Harvest Moon? Are modern FPS games terrible for being mechanically derivative of Goldeneye? What level of derivative is okay? If you can attach a genre to something it's derivative by default.

So yeah, in summary: you're complaining about a rough draft of a project that is apparently not your cup of tea as though it were a finalized game, and your desires run counter to most of what the devs are trying to make (and what most other people actually playing the game want to play).
 
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ViviX12

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I understand your point perfectly. I just think you're not the target market and, rather than making the sensible choice and moving on to a project you might actually like, you've opted to complain about it here. The complaints are masquerading as observations about poor choices by the developers, but let's be honest: your biggest complaints are that the game doesn't specifically cater to you. Every single system in the game is still in development and changing over time. Some systems, such as the "unsexy porn" you're complaining about, are explicitly earmarked in the roadmap you claimed to have read for total overhaul from the top. Which is why I assume you haven't actually read the roadmap, because otherwise you'd know that the sex in the game right now is a temporary measure slated for removal once they've got a far more complex, player-controlled system in place.

I acknowledge significant parts of the game need work and redesign, but you know what? That's the default state of a pre-alpha (aka first playable) project, and I've watched the developers redo and improve most of the game multiple times over in the last year. And they're still planning to change so much of what's here that we legitimately don't know what the final product will look like mechanically because there's as much similarity to the before and after states of their overhauls as there is to the chapter titles and actual chapters in an old fantasy novel.

As for my suggestions about horribly derivative RPGM games: I stand by that recommendation. You are clearly not looking for a game like this one. Whether you'd be better off with an image gallery masquerading as a story (like most orcsoft visual novels) or something like a heavily modded sims or skyrim install isn't something I can say. But I can say, from the two interactions thus far, that this game is clearly not for you. Unless you're about to break out comparisons to a game like Midnight Castle Succubus (and the rest of the series), I'm going to assume you really don't understand the appeal of a full game with porn integration.

Side note: in what world is derivative inherently bad? That's like arguing that The Lion King is bad because it derives from Hamlet, and that Hamlet is bad because it derives from Amleth. Far worse to try to be original and make something unutterably horrible, than to be derivative and familiar. Is Stardew Valley a terrible game because it draws the vast majority of what it does from Harvest Moon? Are modern FPS games terrible for being mechanically derivative of Goldeneye? What level of derivative is okay? If you can attach a genre to something it's derivative by default.

So yeah, in summary: you're complaining about a rough draft of a project that is apparently not your cup of tea as though it were a finalized game, and your desires run counter to most of what the devs are trying to make (and what most other people actually playing the game want to play).
you're definitely right in what you say, but, while somewhat misrepresenting the point, the guy ain't wrong about the separation of porn and gameplay that is quite often the case in porn games around from what I can see
often games go in either direction of a game with porn (CI currently leans towards that) or porn with "game" (VNs, shitty puzzles etc)
rarely it is a true porn game, where proper integration of porn into gameplay is present, or at least I rarely can find games that do that well
but it's definitely not a quality that would disqualify game from being bad, considering the rarity it is not an easy feat to achieve, a good game with good porn is still a good game that has good porn, even if the gameplay loop and porn are separate
and indeed CI is quite early in development, so who knows, the porn integration may be much deeper in the future
and it for sure is a game with a vision and a dedicated team behind it, so while it may not be a perfect porn game, it sure is gonna be great, it outdoes many other games already in its prealpha state
 
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TheInternetIsForThis

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you're definitely right in what you say, but, while somewhat misrepresenting the point, the guy ain't wrong about the separation of porn and gameplay that is quite often the case in porn games around from what I can see
often games go in either direction of a game with porn (CI currently leans towards that) or porn with "game" (VNs, shitty puzzles etc)
rarely it is a true porn game, where proper integration of porn into gameplay is present, or at least I rarely can find games that do that well
but it's definitely not a quality that would disqualify game from being bad, considering the rarity it is not an easy feat to achieve, a good game with good porn is still a good game that has good porn, even if the gameplay loop and porn are separate
and indeed CI is quite early in development, so who knows, the porn integration may be much deeper in the future
and it for sure is a game with a vision and a dedicated team behind it, so while it may not be a perfect porn game, it sure is gonna be great, it outdoes many other games already in its prealpha state
Indeed. The problem here is treating it as porn, which Carnal Instinct really isn't. It's a sex-heavy adult game, yes, but it isn't a porn game. I actually mentioned a series with truly fantastic porn/mechanics integration (the Succubus series), but that integration isn't likely to exist in remotely the same degree for Carnal Instinct.

The direction I'm seeing (both in the game and from the developers on their Discord) is, again, a sex-heavy adult game. Mild titillation just about everywhere, a fair chunk of sex in varying fashions, but the sex and titillation are baked into the world as just another aspect of life (albeit a very omnipresent one) than anything specifically in line with a goal or core aspect of the game. Sex happens. It happens a lot, yes. But the game's world and mechanics don't revolve around it. (I mean, if you're looking at a specific mechanical focus that it does seem to revolve around, that would be the divinity and transformation aspect, I suppose.) And anyone who wants a game that does revolve around the sex is barking up the wrong tree in this thread.
 

NoStepOnSnek

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Hows the pregnancy? or is there any in this game? I see a tag but nothing in comments on here and Steam
There's one quest and a couple misc places that talk about impregnation and someone was a bit gung ho about updating tags.
Check back in 1-4 months depending how the stuff on the road map happens to fall into the Steam schedule.
 

knot4chan

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If you pledge on patreon, do you still get to use the version for the month you last payed for? Do you have to stay pledged to access even an old build?
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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If you pledge on patreon, do you still get to use the version for the month you last payed for? Do you have to stay pledged to access even an old build?
The game client itself doesn't look information up online, just the launcher. The game client does, however, verify subscription information downloaded and saved to disk by the launcher. Presumably this means that so long as you don't log back into the launcher after allowing the subscription to lapse (or lose your computer/data after doing so), the version you downloaded will continue to work as-is. However, I haven't had the opportunity to test that myself, so the ability to maintain an existing copy is mostly founded on assumptions.
 

NoStepOnSnek

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Stupid question: How do I equip stuff in this game? Like helmets, belts and all that?
The game has a totally standard inventory system. However, most of the apparel has currently been disabled thanks to the latest "stable" Steam version being released right on schedule in the middle of a major rework of the body system.
 

Heimeropen

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The game has a totally standard inventory system. However, most of the apparel has currently been disabled thanks to the latest "stable" Steam version being released right on schedule in the middle of a major rework of the body system.
I should've known...
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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Go to that cat due north from spawn who sells access to her caged exotics.
Purchase access to the snek.
Proceed to annoy the snek.
Enjoy your fade-to-black and respawn that one of the devs on discord said is totally her eating you.
It's even worse than that. There's a scene where she's constricting you a bit (different from the normal sex scene with her), then a fade to black, then the black goes away and you see the character collapse on the ground (outside the cage, where you were standing when you talked to her) in the game's default death animation. And then you respawn.

Presumably the devs have plans to update that at some point, but they currently have larger priorities with updating the sex system overall.
 
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IndOnesia

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Go to that cat due north from spawn who sells access to her caged exotics.
Purchase access to the snek.
Proceed to annoy the snek.
Enjoy your fade-to-black and respawn that one of the devs on discord said is totally her eating you.
WOW that so HoOT Im TOtally Jerking OF to This Tonight
 
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PoyntFury

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So the roadmap said that pregnancy and breeding would be in the game by like September 2021. Is it in and I've missed it or have the devs just blitzed by the date completely?
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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So the roadmap said that pregnancy and breeding would be in the game by like September 2021. Is it in and I've missed it or have the devs just blitzed by the date completely?
The devs held a poll back in July or so on their Patreon regarding priorities and what planned features subscribers wanted most. Predictably, the top two features were the two that required putting everything else on hold as most of the mechanics and assets get redone to fully support them. Those features being better character generation (now implemented, but most equipment pending) and dynamic sex scenes (currently a work in progress).

Also, the roadmap is no longer a static image like they'd been posting before, but a google sheet that they update as they make progress or hit roadblocks. It's linked the the OP now.
 

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The devs held a poll back in July or so on their Patreon regarding priorities and what planned features subscribers wanted most. Predictably, the top two features were the two that required putting everything else on hold as most of the mechanics and assets get redone to fully support them. Those features being better character generation (now implemented, but most equipment pending) and dynamic sex scenes (currently a work in progress).

Also, the roadmap is no longer a static image like they'd been posting before, but a google sheet that they update as they make progress or hit roadblocks. It's linked the the OP now.
I called it back in spring that they wouldn't be able to keep the roadmap. Still, I guess if it's in the name of proper integration with mechanics and story rather than something layered on top, it'll be worth the wait.
 
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