Ren'Py Champion of Realms [v0.89] [Zimon]

[skyteam]

Try the other girls. This game goes the harem route and pretty much "no waifu left behind"

already figured out what i had to do, but thanks anyway

 

[cuckoo4cocoapuffs]

I downloaded the uncompressed one on android. It says app not installed when I try to install it. I have 8.4 GB free. Do I STILL need more space or what?

Try the compressed version since Ren'Py Tom seems to have trouble with Android complaining about size.

 

[ZimonColdres]

To be fair that post of his was from February. I would hope that things have improved since. Because this guy is doing good work and it'd be a shame if he burned out over inconsiderate people being inconsiderate.

As for the dev my suggestion is simple to say but hard to master.
Take everything we say, even this post of mine, not as a command or even suggestion but as data. Than think on it. Process it. And than apply the result. Don't try and please us and in doing so allow us to steer you away from that be it in terms of plot, content, work schedule or anything else unless you think it is a good idea. Instead, every time we say something ask your self "are they right and if so what do I want to do about it?" Often enough the answer will just be no. But on occasion it will be yes as well.

Unfortunately, I still feel very far from satisfied, low growth, low interaction, non-existent reviews, it's good enough if I get one a month, and by now I think that any improvement or experimentation will not bring new blood or people, those who have already tried it will not come back.

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CoR Random: Hot Work

 

[Kitsune241]

Unfortunately, I still feel very far from satisfied, low growth, low interaction, non-existent reviews, it's good enough if I get one a month, and by now I think that any improvement or experimentation will not bring new blood or people, those who have already tried it will not come back.

I think your definition of "low interaction" is a bit off.
Like if we look at other comparable games that I know of ("Anime style" 3dCG, active development, started around the same time) CoR is actually doing pretty well:
A House In The Rift: Started May 2019 - 5,474 comments (the last like 40 pages are mostly people complaining about the new character though)
Hero's Harem Guild: Started Dec 2019 - 3,935 comments
CoR: Started Nov 2019 - 3,277 comments
HS Tutor: Started June 2018 - 2,579 comments
Lucky Paradox: Started July 2019 - 1,666 comments
Bound by Lust: Started Nov 2019 - 932 comments

Obviously there's nothing wrong with wanting your game to be more successful, but it feels like you put way too much worth on being popular. I don't know how you really feel, but at least to me it comes off as if you care more about the popularity of the game over any kind of actual artistic vision for it, and that's not a good look.

IMO make your game, not the commenter's game, not the reviewer's game, trying to please everyone will just result in a generic forgettable mess.

 

[NekoGirlHentaiGamer18]

~>Hmmm, the content is like a crumbles of food when you try to chew yet satisfying in the mouth and trying to savior it with pleasure.

~>Hope to get more a slowly cook food with dedication is more satisfying than half bake pile of variety food without flavor .

 

[ZimonColdres]

I give two small examples:
The Discord server has 5000 members, but only 10 of them actually talk. How many things would change if they were 100?
I get one feedback per month, how many improvements would be possible if there were 10? 100?
Then maybe it's me who has a strange view of things.
Besides, my vision will remain as such, it's not like if someone tells me that for example "Maeve should be flat" then I recreate the character.
But if I get comments like "According to the map icon it should be a house, because it's a fast travel to the house." then yes that's a useful thing.
Then again, throw in abandonment, name change, team dissolution, and other stuff, and we're done.

 

[ninjahotsprings]

I give two small examples:
The Discord server has 5000 members, but only 10 of them actually talk. How many things would change if they were 100?
I get one feedback per month, how many improvements would be possible if there were 10? 100?
Then maybe it's me who has a strange view of things.
Besides, my vision will remain as such, it's not like if someone tells me that for example "Maeve should be flat" then I recreate the character.
But if I get comments like "According to the map icon it should be a house, because it's a fast travel to the house." then yes that's a useful thing.
Then again, throw in abandonment, name change, team dissolution, and other stuff, and we're done.

Reviews are overrated Half I read sound retarded, like really "I can't press a button, remake game for simpletons plz", "Way too much reading, my monkey brain hurt, going to go fuck frogs", "I don't know what I'm doing, plz tell me what I'm doing, walkthrough and a fresh diaper change plz", or "I really really like this other game, this is not that game, plz stop working on your game to make a clone of that game so I can shit all over how much this game doesn't compare to that game"

Instead of "Maeve should be flat", well loli Maeve would be cute but no focus dammit , hows the story progression into "Maeve should be fat, like with a fresh bun in the oven"? Having mini girls would also be cute, Mini Maeve & Maeve playing together inside the MC's head, does he get a headache, trip major balls, or is oblivious to the entire thing? These are the types of questions when you have one character living inside another characters head. If Maeve masturbated while inside the MC's head and the MC had a wet dream about her does that count as subliminal suggestions? She was in there for years or was this more like assertion were she didn't need to somewhat like girls don't poop Did Maeve ever watch the MC masturbate? Like with some mental popcorn and just critic his choice of porn? I feel the flashback machine kicking in.

Not to say I don't like the improvements to the house but I would like improvements on expanding the house to handle new "improvements" with the girls

We could do a dog pile on Zimon but would you really like that or is this sadomasochism?

I kinda forget but has Asmedia's mom ever been mentioned? She has "daddy issues" but does she have "mommy issues"? Mother daughter threesome? If that's too much does she have any girl friends from were she's from? Wasn't she like a princess so I would assume she has more friends

Will Heramael make a potion to alter breast size or lolify the girls? Mad scientist from idiocracy, could be saving the world but no it's more hair growth and boner pills When will her sleeping beauty sister get awakened with a kiss from prince charming? Or you planning a more Brothers Grimm thing were the prince sticks it in without consent?

There is a "cuddle" tracker Fuck me why haven't I noticed this before! Hey Zimon, is this like implemented yet or one of those cock teaser things that was put out as a joke to torture us?

Go to Izanami and give her the room... Why is that still on the list, meh I would rather giver her a roommate, one that would be with her for like 9 months Then that pokemon thing were I keep poking her man

Tsukiko's dream of world domination through her children, hows that coming along? Breed like rabbits, repopulate the bunny girl race, and all that fancy stuff while the moon watches with a camcorder, these pornos will make bank online

Hell hound puppies? Cubs? Cat girl kittens? Little succubi, or would their babies just be imps?

There should be enough here for a few people to on. Welcome to the discord, you don't have to agree with my opinion but it would be nice if you comment on it to say my name instead of That Guy

 

[Kitsune241]

The Discord server has 5000 members, but only 10 of them actually talk. How many things would change if they were 100?

Absolutely nothing would change.
The discord server isn't making your game either, maybe you'd get a few more superficial usability suggestions that would make the game marginally better but that wouldn't (and shouldn't) have any effect on the core of the game.

IMO you're approaching this from the wrong direction. Michelangelo lied, there's no perfect game that everyone will love inside the stone block that you'll get to by chipping away with bug fixes and UI improvements. Instead of asking "how to make CoR better?" or "what do these other games have that you don't?", you should ask yourself "what does CoR offer that no one else does?" because until you can figure out a good answer to that you're just another harem power fantasy. If your game offers an experience that's interchangeable with the hundreds of others like it on this site why should people keep coming back to this one in particular? And that's not a question any commenter, reviewer, or discord user can answer for you.

 

[ninjahotsprings]

Absolutely nothing would change.
The discord server isn't making your game either, maybe you'd get a few more superficial usability suggestions that would make the game marginally better but that wouldn't (and shouldn't) have any effect on the core of the game.

IMO you're approaching this from the wrong direction. Michelangelo lied, there's no perfect game that everyone will love inside the stone block that you'll get to by chipping away with bug fixes and UI improvements. Instead of asking "how to make CoR better?" or "what do these other games have that you don't?", you should ask yourself "what does CoR offer that no one else does?" because until you can figure out a good answer to that you're just another harem power fantasy. If your game offers an experience that's interchangeable with the hundreds of others like it on this site why should people keep coming back to this one in particular? And that's not a question any commenter, reviewer, or discord user can answer for you.

Another MMO that tries to topple World of Warcraft


But I agree there is only so much you can harvest from the rabble before it comes back to "What's your vision for the future, Zimon?"

I am Setsuna is a Lazier Chrono Trigger, it can ape it but sometimes when all it does is try to wear the bra of a more well endowed game then you can see the padding.

 

[ZimonColdres]

If CoR is "a generic fantasy harem", then who should the base be?
From my point of view then everyone is generic, no one excluded.
The question could also be turned the other way around, what do others offer that is so incredible and fabulous?

 

[Kitsune241]

From my point of view then everyone is generic, no one excluded.

Then your point of view is a problem.
I'm not saying there can be no similarities between games, but you can't honestly look at something like Twisted World and say it's focus on Futa, Trap, and overly exaggerated body proportions is "generic" (even if you personally don't like the content), you can't honestly say Lessons in Love's denpa game psychological horror is "generic", you can't honestly say Out of Touch's 80s vaporwave dream trip is "generic". You can be an urban fantasy harem and still offer a unique experience.

Let me ask you this then, why did you start making CoR?
Because every other dev I've talked to on here has answered that question in the exact some way:
They had something they wanted from a game that no one else was providing so they decided to make it themselves.
So what does CoR provide?

 

[ZimonColdres]

The reason CoR started has nothing to do with the deficiencies of other games, the reason is more personal and complex.
As for what it offers, I know, but it should be the public that answers, but it seems that lately according to the public it offers nothing.

 

[Kitsune241]

As for what it offers, I know, but it should be the public that answers

No it really shouldn't.
As the dev that's your responsibility, it's called marketing the game.
If you can't even tell someone why they should play your game, how do you expect to convince them to try.

 

[ZimonColdres]

No it really shouldn't.
As the dev that's your responsibility, it's called marketing the game.
If you can't even tell someone why they should play your game, how do you expect to convince them to try.

Nah it's not that, I just don't want to be mean or pushy towards other games or other people.

 

[ninjahotsprings]

The reason CoR started has nothing to do with the deficiencies of other games, the reason is more personal and complex.
As for what it offers, I know, but it should be the public that answers, but it seems that lately according to the public it offers nothing.

It's a bit of column A and a bit of column B.

That's like saying an Ice Cream Truck shouldn't have a music tune playing as it drives down the road. You offer vanilla, it taste good, but when lots of people offer vanilla it's less to rave about.

What makes your vanilla special? It's made with loving care but sometimes it comes across as what sprinkles would make it better? That is subjective to individual taste! Short stack loving would be nice but that's me and there are others that would like some furry fluffy tail!

As for who you are targeting well you're flavor is:

• Sci-Fi Action Adventure - Inter-dimensional Space Chicks want some dick. Not sure at what point the "Champion" plays into this but there are loving waifus.
• Dating Simulator - Going the harem route with no waifu left behind is nice but it's harder to choose favorites. Maybe let the player mark their Head Mistress, Consort, or other thing to say their waifu is number 1. Let the waifu wars paint the galaxy crimson red in the blood of the nonbelievers "Champion" of world domination? Perhaps but a few branches would cause <3
• Minigames - This could use improvements so look at games like Final Fantasy VII and Fable 3. They aren't complex but more engaging then click to progress. Hell look at carnival games as they offer a simple gimmick and prizes. If the player had a generic room and seen another player decked out with swag it would make them jealous Jealous people talk more since they have something to bitch/whine about This horrible cycle comes back to more hype for the game

You put in a lot more effort than a lot of other devs but you have a really hard time playing hard to get... Instead of trying to quell the flames of war have you ever though how about more gasoline!?

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[girdeyordo]

The question could also be turned the other way around, what do others offer that is so incredible and fabulous?

A reason to make the player "care" about the characters. Argue the faults of the morality system however it gives people a way to say my choices were better than yours.

What's your thoughts on Koikatsu Sunshine? Does it bring anything good to the table that you can play with?

 

[Joey's Conscience]

I was skeptical to voice my thoughts on this whole "lack of growth" thing because I don't want to sound like I'm throwing a shade at Zimon, which really isn't my intention. I'm really greatful for allowing us to play your game and how active you are. That said, I have to agree with Kitsune241 on everything.

You always seem to be asking yourself what are you doing wrong, or what could you do better when the better question would be "what can you do different". UI and navigation improvements are nice and all, but minor improvements simply won't do magic to the game's growth.

What I'm personally looking forward to are the gameplay changes. The point system, the dialogue options, the guild missions. How about the combat system mentioned in your patreon goal? That seems cool and different, do you have a vision for that? Those are the things that would have an impact for me. Can I tell you any of those things would bring more players to the game? Absolutely not. That's the point, we can't tell you what will make your game grow. If we had a surefire ways to make sucessful porn games, we would be making them ourselves.

In the end, this is YOUR game, not ours. When you talk about lack of discussion or feedback, to me, it kinda comes out as you passing the responsability to the players. Like, if we gave you more/better ideas, the game would be better, or if we talked about it more, the game would be more popular, which really isn't fair to ask.

Hope you didn't take any of that the wrong way Zimon, i respect you a lot, the best dev I've interacted with on this site. However, I feel these things need to be said. You actually pay too much weight on what people here say, when we really don't know any better than you.

 

[masterdragonson]

Nah it's not that, I just don't want to be mean or pushy towards other games or other people.

Go for it, be a bit cocky Not like you have to downplay other games to shill what yours is good at

 

[Kosten07]

As for what it offers, I know, but it should be the public that answers, but it seems that lately according to the public it offers nothing.

I don't know who is saying that but don't listen to them, this game offers very well written and thought out characters and it's own story. No one else is telling this story or the characters' story. That is what makes this game unique. I for one rather enjoy what you have created so far.

 

[Pourus84]

what's the difference between the compressed downloads and the normal ones?