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This game is intriguing both in plot and in visuals, has tension and has action.
That being said, there are ever sound right answers about relationships:
When you love someone, you make sure to tell them.
When you love someone, you make room.
Also, you tell your loved one of your hell and how to not end up in it.
When you meet someone, you make a commitment to make time for them.
This game very purposefully gives enough time for two couple to effectively cheat on eachother when they are basically using their partner to heal their broken heart
that they decide, every waking moment of every day, to give to someone else so that someone can break it over and over and over until it is devoid of all emotion.
Good game. Full of worst possible asshole decisions left and right, purposefully hurtful.
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That being said, there are ever sound right answers about relationships:
When you love someone, you make sure to tell them.
When you love someone, you make room.
Also, you tell your loved one of your hell and how to not end up in it.
When you meet someone, you make a commitment to make time for them.
This game very purposefully gives enough time for two couple to effectively cheat on eachother when they are basically using their partner to heal their broken heart
that they decide, every waking moment of every day, to give to someone else so that someone can break it over and over and over until it is devoid of all emotion.
Good game. Full of worst possible asshole decisions left and right, purposefully hurtful.
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Oh here we go again! Fine I will play your game. I HOPE YOU ENJOY READING BECAUSE THIS WILL BE A LONG ONE.
Oh and before the eye rolling starts, Yes I know its just a game. He went there and brought the real world here so that is where we find ourselves deployed. Just saying...
The player has the choice as to what they decide to do. They are not forced into any of those decision. They are allowed to make these choices. If they make a decision that leads to one character cheating on another, it is they who made that decision. They decided so either because they didn't care about the couple and was strictly looking to maximize the fap value of the game or they would likely cheat on their significant other in real life because of their own flawed value system. At no point did I make decisions for the MC that lead him to betray Serena. I didn't see a single thing about Serena's predicament that would have made me angry or even consider leaving her.
You talk about all of the things that a couple should do, yet you do not "seem" to understand that Pain and Trauma are very real and it sometimes takes herculean strength to talk about it. The thing that drew me to this story was the MC. Why? Because he and I share a common demon. Our combat trauma. I was hit January of 2011 in Khost Province Afghanistan. During my career I had been wounded two times before that. When you are a career soldier and you are literally deployed to a combat zone for almost half your career the chances of you getting hit get higher and higher. In 2011 I was hit in combat and seriously wounded. I had a perforated ear drum, a serious focal TBI that caused blindness due to brain swelling and my left leg was nearly severed at the knee. I also lost two of my crew. (I commanded a gun truck. It was our job to escort supply convoys to the different Cop's and Fob's) One was a 21 year old PFC who was a newlywed. He had not even met his daughter who was born during his deployment. I also lost a 24 year old Specialist who was due to be promoted to sergeant. He had received a battlefield promotion, was nominated for a bronze star and he like myself had been wounded in action multiple times. His mother received all of his awards Posthumously. I have my own trauma and PTSD to deal with. I also carry alot of guilt over the loss of my men. I still struggle with it today.
So let me ask you... How do you go about telling your wife about the hell you survived? It took me nearly ten years to come to terms with it. It took almost that long to sit down and be able to share these horrors with my wife. To this day, more than eleven years later, I still do not have the personal courage and strength to go into guesome detail about what happened that day. Sure I can talk about things in broad scope like I am now but I couldn't talk about things at all five years ago or more. You know what my wife told me? "I will be here when you are ready." THAT is what a relationship is built on. Faith, patience, understanding and strength. All of the things you said are personality traits. They aren't laws and every single one of us see the world in a different way. Our past life experiences dictate who we are and how we treat the ones we love. Just an FYI. My wife and I shared our 30th. wedding anniversary this year. We both have trauma we haven't fully shared with each other and yet our marriage has stood the test of time and we are stronger together than ever.
When things with me were at their worst, I gave my wife an out. I told her that perhaps it was best that we separate. Her answer? Well first she punched me in the chest... But then... "OH NO YOU DON'T!! YOU MARRIED ME AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH ME SO GET USED TO IT!!" Yep, lol.
As for the rest? The cheating etc. I have already weighed in on that. SO... Play the game and make the choices that your conscience allows you to make or don't. Its all on you, but do not bash the developer for giving you the ability to exercise your free will. This has been by far, the most compelling story I have ever read. It helped me realize a few things about myself. You see, that is what Tlaero tries to do with all of her stories. How it is that you have missed all of this is beyond me. On the one hand you proceed to go into great detail about what relationships "should" be like, but on the other hand you bash the game and the developer because she gives you real life choices that each one of us face as adults.
This is just my opinion but I feel compelled to ask you this.
Are you angry because you were given the choices or are you angry because those choices effected you in some personal way? Life experiences perhaps? Anger towards someone who wronged you? Were I Tony and Tanya, that would be my assessment of you. Well that and the experience that comes with 30 years of marriage to the bravest and strongest woman I have ever met.
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This game is nicer and all, but this is the real disconnect:
Being with someone who does not desire or want you, would not build anything with you, but deep down actually wants someone else,
this game describes Serena as wanting to jump Paul bones right there.
MAking both Joel and Chloe literal nobodies, robotic canes, sex dolls to numb the pain.
This is certain: deep seeded desire to ditch or burn Jo and Chlo to get their scope of life met. This is break up material riaght there.
Joel and Chloe speak in present sense. Serena and Paul wana ditch them and be
together, that is their life goal. Disgusting and narcissistically idiotic if not sad.
There is no going back if both Chlo and Jo are certain their supposed future mates actually would drop them in the shark infested waters running with their backstabbed blood to be with eachopther. Disgusting.
For a game, sure, this kind a joke of a relationship the two couples have, drones for Serena and Paul so they can be together,
entertaining. Long term, this is nothing to build on.
Real actual relationships that look to go somewhere are meant to
bring people together to feel they can accomplish anything with their signifficant other. When Serena and Paul life goal is banging eachother and getting married, there is no room for Joel or Chloe.
This is the reason Serena is stagnant - she likes Joel as a drug,
has no invested interest in his well being, just that he is around to sate her needs.
The fact this game forces the revelations means this was a doomed relationships plot all along. Tony had some common sense,
that common sense is lacking in every other character in this game.
Being with someone who does not desire or want you, would not build anything with you, but deep down actually wants someone else,
this game describes Serena as wanting to jump Paul bones right there.
MAking both Joel and Chloe literal nobodies, robotic canes, sex dolls to numb the pain.
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This is certain: deep seeded desire to ditch or burn Jo and Chlo to get their scope of life met. This is break up material riaght there.
Joel and Chloe speak in present sense. Serena and Paul wana ditch them and be
together, that is their life goal. Disgusting and narcissistically idiotic if not sad.
There is no going back if both Chlo and Jo are certain their supposed future mates actually would drop them in the shark infested waters running with their backstabbed blood to be with eachopther. Disgusting.
For a game, sure, this kind a joke of a relationship the two couples have, drones for Serena and Paul so they can be together,
entertaining. Long term, this is nothing to build on.
Real actual relationships that look to go somewhere are meant to
bring people together to feel they can accomplish anything with their signifficant other. When Serena and Paul life goal is banging eachother and getting married, there is no room for Joel or Chloe.
This is the reason Serena is stagnant - she likes Joel as a drug,
has no invested interest in his well being, just that he is around to sate her needs.
The fact this game forces the revelations means this was a doomed relationships plot all along. Tony had some common sense,
that common sense is lacking in every other character in this game.
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And that's exactly why, when Paul and Serena meet again, decide to be togeth... oh, wait, they don't, they choose their current partners who were so sensitive and loving enough to give them space to make that decision, even knowing they could lose them -which they eventually don't: they love, they risk it, and they win.
You didn't understand a single word of what is said in the game, as usual.
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Canto, I believe that English isn't your first language. If that's so, it's understandable that you misunderstood the Casino scene. If I was playing a game in a foreign language (to me) I wouldn't do as well understanding it as you are. But you've got this one completely wrong.
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Well .. that is why you had Tony leave out of sheer common sense.
There are lines in a relationship you are not afforded to cross if you had any common sense.
You do not bring the woman you love to the pit falls of her desires.
You should encourage her to let go of the past, live the present with you,
not provide the same BrokeBack mountain opportunity for her to cheat, in the home you shared,
with the crush she has been harboring for years.
both Chloe and Joe know how intimate Paul wants to get and also how Ser wants him as a lover,
which is pure adulterous relationship right there. But they let them have secerets anyway.
They both let them plan to cheat in your home, where Sere mixes wearing only a thong,
knowing full well she will never tell you what it is they discuss and do.
That is a stark difference to how things go with the two women they welcome in their home.
No man would ever deliver his wife to her lover, admittedly her confident outside of
what is supposed to be the most in depth relationship she should have, with her husband.
There are lines in a relationship you are not afforded to cross if you had any common sense.
You do not bring the woman you love to the pit falls of her desires.
You should encourage her to let go of the past, live the present with you,
not provide the same BrokeBack mountain opportunity for her to cheat, in the home you shared,
with the crush she has been harboring for years.
The jarring way the whole scene was shown is that they are afforded secrets of intimacy,
both Chloe and Joe know how intimate Paul wants to get and also how Ser wants him as a lover,
which is pure adulterous relationship right there. But they let them have secerets anyway.
They both let them plan to cheat in your home, where Sere mixes wearing only a thong,
knowing full well she will never tell you what it is they discuss and do.
That is a stark difference to how things go with the two women they welcome in their home.
No man would ever deliver his wife to her lover, admittedly her confident outside of
what is supposed to be the most in depth relationship she should have, with her husband.
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You seem to have a very distorted concept of love. Or, at least, a concept that is not the one this game tries to show. In this game, as well as for many people around you, love is not possession. The fact a woman is 'my' girlfriend or 'my' wife only means we have agreed to share that moment of our lives together, but we are always free to look for our happiness elsewhere, provided we don't lie to each other in the process: if you really love your woman, you accept she may not feel the same for you and she could be happier with some other person (even if it hurts like hell). You are just grateful that woman has decided to share that moment of her life with you, you cherish the good times, and wish her the best, because when you really love you just want her to be happy and must learn to accept she could be happy without you. As it's stated in the game, caring for your significant other's feelings above yours is the first sign of actual love. Serena also does that when she gives Joel the chance to ditch her if he feels somehow hurt by her feelings for Paul, but he chooses to stay because his love for her, his wish for her to be happy, is stronger than his own 'pride': he decides to be with her, to be the best man he can be, supporting her and staying by her side while she explores her feelings and makes up her mind, because when there's honesty the end result will be the best for everyone involved. He accepts he may not be chosen one, but he knows that's not for him to decide and that his role is to show his love for her this way. And you know what, he ends in a happier place with Serena, and she's happier because she has learned he actually loves her, and has also fixed her friendship with another important man in her life.
I get these games are just a way to fantasize and that some people just want everything to go smoothly in them and feel free of problems and 'competition'. It's OK if you only find harem games acceptable, but the thing I noticed from this and other threads is that you just get triggered every time a female character doesn't give herself in body and soul to the MC and is given instead the chance to explore her feelings or behave in a way you don't like: then you just stop reading and start creating your own scenarios in your imagination that have nothing to do with what is actually going on in the game. You could have just walked away from the game when you are given the chance to do so, if you can't accept that Serena still feels something for Paul; instead, you kept playing with a blurred mind and decided to keep bothering us with your wrong assumptions. Just question yourself why you do this and why you think you must share those idiotic ideas with everybody else. It's really jarring.
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For anyone reading this, we are running fan fiction over the finished content in this game.
This is by no means or scope a diss, but our way of putting what already is gamed and done
in here in a broader concept of the game worls left unresolved,
by running off all sorts of ideas while trying to figure out the whys, where and the hows
of all the different relationships in the game. We are sometimes putting way more weight in
small clues left unfollowed through while running the plot of the game.
Problem is, for Sere, Joel is her posession. Funny how things are not the same for them.
The women they welcome into their home, they have the common sense to share,
alas your supposed girl, because, holy shit, you are her supposed man, she told you that much, is not affording your that same courtesy.
The whole shit about not letting this idiotic lover nonsense go is forced,
the game forces that on Joel, even Tony is jarred by this nonsense.
But alas, this creative freedom is afforded to the dev who just wants to show something
different, while planting clues that this is the beginning of the end, doom of their relationship.
Joel knows this is BS, but yeah, why not make his wife doubt him and get the idea
he is pushing her away so he does not have to feel guilty for future transgressions.
Again, the women are posessive in this game, they do not shove their spouses up some assholes” bum hole, this is fabricated tension where instead of working on their relationship,
they go looking for others to fix it - here, honey, have a lover, ooohh, that girl touched you
deep down? Why, so happy for you! - Joel is even a hindrance for Tony and his relationship,
creeping on them in their intimate moments, so all that high horse he pretends to be on,
there is nothing there, Joel is not that social or that tender to draw in the crouds,
as demonstrated by the tech girl, he is just used by girls to get to others.
This is by no means or scope a diss, but our way of putting what already is gamed and done
in here in a broader concept of the game worls left unresolved,
by running off all sorts of ideas while trying to figure out the whys, where and the hows
of all the different relationships in the game. We are sometimes putting way more weight in
small clues left unfollowed through while running the plot of the game.
Problem is, for Sere, Joel is her posession. Funny how things are not the same for them.
The women they welcome into their home, they have the common sense to share,
alas your supposed girl, because, holy shit, you are her supposed man, she told you that much, is not affording your that same courtesy.
The whole shit about not letting this idiotic lover nonsense go is forced,
the game forces that on Joel, even Tony is jarred by this nonsense.
But alas, this creative freedom is afforded to the dev who just wants to show something
different, while planting clues that this is the beginning of the end, doom of their relationship.
Joel knows this is BS, but yeah, why not make his wife doubt him and get the idea
he is pushing her away so he does not have to feel guilty for future transgressions.
Again, the women are posessive in this game, they do not shove their spouses up some assholes” bum hole, this is fabricated tension where instead of working on their relationship,
they go looking for others to fix it - here, honey, have a lover, ooohh, that girl touched you
deep down? Why, so happy for you! - Joel is even a hindrance for Tony and his relationship,
creeping on them in their intimate moments, so all that high horse he pretends to be on,
there is nothing there, Joel is not that social or that tender to draw in the crouds,
as demonstrated by the tech girl, he is just used by girls to get to others.
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I know you won't do it, and I guess I shouldn't even suggest this because, in the end, this is a free world and who am I to tell someone to just shut the fuck up, but really, you should stop commenting on games you just didn't understand because they don't align with your worldviews and make you ignore everything that is said in the game to build your own hater-fiction. But, well, I'd really apreciate it. I tried, but there's no point on keep engaging with you. Farewell, canto
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It's really odd when one completely ignores what the author says about their own game.
It's like a literature professor telling you what Vonnegut meant by a particular phrase or story, and it is completely at odds with what the author said about it himself. But, hey, the professor is OBVIOUSLY smarter than the author and knows the author better than the author knows himself - he's been an academic all his life and has a PhD!
SMDH
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This individual only sees and "interprets" what they want to see. We can continue to argue in circles with this individual but it would be pointless. I know that may sound like a jab but the last person I heard/witnessed talking like this had (1) had never been married, (2) never been engaged in a relations ship for longer that 6 months and (3) spent his life bashing women when everyone in his life knew he was the issue!! (one of my cousins)
Just do as I am doing. Stop reading what this individual is spewing, let said individual find another game and allow us that love the game to enjoy it.
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So if i can t choose to leave the cheating girlfriend at the start, i have to accept her, what kind of choices are those? Ridiculous.
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I played the game recently and unless my memory is an absolute disaster, which I do not think it is, I can't recall her cheating on the MC during my playthrough. Unless you think that having romantic feelings on someone else is also cheating, even if you do not go beyond that ever.
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She never cheated on Joel. She didn't even know him when she was pining for Paul.
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Play the Elsaverse Omnibus first.
That said, there is no strict in-world chronological order since the Elsaverse games overlaps as to when they take place. Although Chasing Beth is later than the others.
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When you start a new game in the Omnibus, the titles are listed by intended order of play, from left to right and top to bottom.
Then, Elsa's Nightmares and Elsaverse: Transitions are not included in the Omnibus and it's recommended to play both before Chasing Beth. All titles contain all the basic info needed to understand them, but playing them in the right order enhances the experience
Then, Elsa's Nightmares and Elsaverse: Transitions are not included in the Omnibus and it's recommended to play both before Chasing Beth. All titles contain all the basic info needed to understand them, but playing them in the right order enhances the experience
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What Moskys said is correct, but I'll add that the 5 games down the left side of the Omnibus start screen are the actual games and ones to the right of them are short stories and other things that add color to the world. The writing is such that I don't expect anyone to have played the short stories when playing the games. They add color, sometimes a lot of it (one of them is a novella), but to understand what's happening, you only need to play the actual games.
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