VN Ren'Py Chasing Sunsets [v0.9a] [Stone Fox Studios]

[Ragnar]

I'm missing something here. Jaye HAS sexual experience and she's not a virgin anymore. She masturbates like any other perv and she had sex with her girlfriend years ago. Is lesbian sex not considered sex in some countries or smth?

 

[FunFuntomes]

Is lesbian sex not considered sex in some countries or smth?

if both were lesbians then it would count, but Jaye is so straight she could eat a pussy, finger Tara's bum and flick her clitoris ad it wouldn't be gay.... before you reply, when you take the garbage out, does it make you the garbageman?

 

[Ragnar]

if both were lesbians then it would count, but Jaye is so straight she could eat a pussy, finger Tara's bum and flick her clitoris ad it wouldn't be gay.... before you reply, when you take the garbage out, does it make you the garbageman?

Ah! I get it now. It's like when you suck a cock but you say No Homo.

 

[Dankmemer]

Am i the only that played this and got the sense that Jaye is not a virgin, some comment about a handjob not getting her off, or is that something to do with her and Tara, actually it might be, anyway the whole argument is retarded, half of you dont understand NTR

 

[ename144]

I think the dev should listen to no one and tell the story he wants to tell.
You don't like it, you can go play something else. There is nothing to be offended about.

It's my longstanding belief that it is the role of the author(s) alone to determine what their story should be. Incorporating feedback on that from the audience, even when well intended, tends to dilute the fundamental purpose of the work. No one likes stories written by committee.

It is, however, also the job of the author to gauge how well they are conveying the story they intend to tell, and that's where listening to feedback is not only valuable but imperative. That's not to say the author has to agree with any given critique, just that they need to determine as best they can what the critique is objecting to and evaluating whether the core objection is an intentional part of the desired story. If so, then the story is probably not going to be that critic's cup of tea and there's nothing to be done except agree to disagree.

But if it's not part of the intended story, it may be an indication that the author has not effectively conveyed the intended story, especially if the objection is widely shared. In that case the author should reflect on why the matter comes across differently to the critic than it did to the author. Even the best of us can overlook things from time to time, and the author will always have a very different point of view than the audience (thanks to their knowledge of where things are headed and familiarity with background material that didn't make it into the final work). There's no shame in trying to correct that sort of problem when it does crop up.

As far as how my longwinded sermon ties into the current kerfuffle, I'd say it depends on how the devs intended Jaye to come across. If they intended Jaye to have a very clear stance on sex with someone other than the MC (one way or the other), then I think they may want to reevaluate her portrayal in the game thus far. If they intended her to have a more ambiguous stance, or feel that this topic is inherently going to be subject to wildly different personal interpretation, then they should probably not worry about the flamewar and get back to working on the update.

 

[SrRK]

Am i the only that played this and got the sense that Jaye is not a virgin, some comment about a handjob not getting her off, or is that something to do with her and Tara, actually it might be, anyway the whole argument is retarded, half of you dont understand NTR

I kinda remember something about her having sexual relations with her silver haired female friend whose name I forget. But other than that, I'm not sure/don't think so.

If that's the case, then sure. You could say she's not technically a virgin... though, virgin in certain contexts can mean sexual intercourse between male and female. On the subject of porn and porn games, what people usually care about is whether or not the girl has had sex with another guy... especially since "popping her cherry" or simply being the first to penetrate her is such a popular trope.

 

[Deleted member 2808342]

If you max Jaye's points as a child in the Prologue, you learn in Chapter 4 that she remained a "dick virgin" in the unlikely event she would rebuild bridges with MC after his Eat/Pray/Fuck tour.

If you don't, it's implied by her internal monologues that she experiments while MC is on sabbatical.

That said, I don't intend to explore those experiments directly in-game. It will mostly mold her attitudes and reactions towards sex from the MC's perspective.

 

[FunFuntomes]

t is retarded, half of you dont understand NTR

NTR can be divided into netorare, netorase and Netori, it used to be a tecnique in japanese games and manga ment to make the player/reader feel jealousy and extreme emotions by watching a love interest get fucked by some random asshole, ugly bastard or other things while MC thinks everthing is fine and dandy. nowadays is mostly used by shitty devs and artists to add quick sex scenes without any character development nor logic in the act and it's often added dishonestly to stories where it doesn't belong as for example if a game has an alpha and beta path, on the alpha path a love interest will be a prude, while on the beta path the same girl will be engaging in the most degrading acts. and people comlaining that Jaye doesn't get plowed by dudes want what other devs call a "beta path'; they could just watch porn, there's plenty of redheads getting fucked without story nor any personality

 

[FunFuntomes]

If you max Jaye's points as a child in the Prologue, you learn in Chapter 4 that she remained a "dick virgin" in the unlikely event she would rebuild bridges with MC after his Eat/Pray/Fuck tour.

didn't you say in the past that not-maxing points is ok as long as the player falls within certain brackets?

 

[Deleted member 2808342]

didn't you say in the past that not-maxing points is ok as long as the player falls within certain brackets?

I said max points were not required to get the best endings, and the best ending branch is available to non-virgin Jaye.

There are currently only two things in the game that check max points.:

1. Jaye's virginity in Chapter 4. (I spent a lot of time LOLing when people were complaining that none of the choices in the Prologue mattered.)

2. Jaye will break down and spontaneously kiss the MC in Ch2 with max points after their chat on his bed. It's literally one image, but worth it for the butt dimples.

Both of these flavor the narrative, but neither of them are anywhere near a requirement for the best ending branches.

I hope this helps.

 

[FunFuntomes]

I said max points were not required to get the best endings, and the best ending branch is available to non-virgin Jaye.

There are currently only two things in the game that check max points.:

1. Jaye's virginity in Chapter 4. (I spent a lot of time LOLing when people were complaining that none of the choices in the Prologue mattered.)

2. Jaye will break down and spontaneously kiss the MC in Ch2 with max points after their chat on his bed. It's literally one image, but worth it for the butt dimples.

Both of these flavor the narrative, but neither of them are anywhere near a requirement for the best ending branches.

I hope this helps.

no worries, I managed to max Jaye's points with no walkthroughm unfortunately it costed me some Mallory points

 

[The Naughty Captain]

There's no shame in trying to correct that sort of problem when it does crop up.

Absolutely.
The keyword being "problem".
Is it a real problem ? Does it need correction ?
I guess every one would appreciate different suggestions and criticism differently.

 

[DeFuZe]

Im sorry to intrude this fight so I'll risk my neck.... Any news on the new chapter ?

 

[FunFuntomes]

Im sorry to intrude this fight so I'll risk my neck.... Any news on the new chapter ?

+7 days just because someone asked

 

[FunFuntomes]

Stone Fox Studios quick question, when I'll buy chasing sunsets on steam, will my achievements be automatically unlocked or is there a way to delete them?

 

[Abibliboop]

half of you dont understand NTR

Umm... does anyone on this site actually understand NTR? I think you are being way too generous with the estimation that its only half. 8^D

 

[slick97]

If you max Jaye's points as a child in the Prologue, you learn in Chapter 4 that she remained a "dick virgin" in the unlikely event she would rebuild bridges with MC after his Eat/Pray/Fuck tour.

If you don't, it's implied by her internal monologues that she experiments while MC is on sabbatical.

That said, I don't intend to explore those experiments directly in-game. It will mostly mold her attitudes and reactions towards sex from the MC's perspective.

Wait, that's seriously a thing? Flavor text or not that's incredible that you actually check whether the player went all in with making child Jaye happy that she waits for you. I was part of the crowd (I'm ashamed of saying so!) that I thought your early interactions with her didn't have much of an impact on the story.

 

[Deleted member 2808342]

Wait, that's seriously a thing? Flavor text or not that's incredible that you actually check whether the player went all in with making child Jaye happy that she waits for you. I was part of the crowd (I'm ashamed of saying so!) that I thought your early interactions with her didn't have much of an impact on the story.

It is indeed. There are only four total points available with Jaye in the Prologue (2 Love/2 Trust) but being aware that a virgin at her age is a pretty uncommon thing in most Western cultures, I made the bar high to achieve it. Most people lose a point on reading the extra diary page or sucker punching Christian.

EVERY choice in the prologue will impact the story at some point, including how the player interacts with Walter at the bar (except "GET TO THE CHOPPA" which is just a joke choice.)

 

[memegamerfun]

Seriously, great game though. Jaye already looked attractive before I played the game, but after playing it she moved to top spot based on her (made up) personality. She’s even made redheads in other games more appealing by proxy, so kudos to that.

 

[slick97]

Seriously, great game though. Jaye already looked attractive before I played the game, but after playing it she moved to top spot based on her (made up) personality. She’s even made redheads in other games more appealing by proxy, so kudos to that.

Agreed, the decent into arguing about the realism behind a specific character's personality (especially when it comes to sex) is redundant. The point of a story isn't the realism, but how effective the author is at conveying the story THEY want to tell.

That being said, the character that feels the most nuanced is Mallory. She's technically an LI but it's heavily hinted that she's either a clone of Sarah or somehow managed to break the RNG of the universe during conception (which is a whole different genetics topic). Jaye is the first LI we come across and both her and the MC had years of getting to know each other more in depth. Our first meeting with Mallory starts off rocky as the MC naturally distrusts her because of her background. However she also shows incredible depth and we see early on just how much in common her and the MC have. She's at a severe disadvantage as an LI compared to Jaye, and yet she poses a legitimate challenge to Jaye.

The elephant in the room though has severe implications for a potential love route with Mallory. Would it be classified as incest if she's a genetic clone? The argument could go either way depending on the lens you're looking through. The other challenge that a romance with her poses is what happens if the MC backs out later on? We see how the MC slowly helps her deal with her past as evident by her no longer hearing her father's voice constantly degrading her like we did on her trip to Aspen. An MC that leads her on only to break her heart could have severe implications.

As much as I adore Jaye I truly believe that the most well written character out of the whole story is Mallory (which is contradictory to my initial review of the game after the Ch. 4 release). Her tragic background makes her a sympathetic character, and her empathy makes her an easily likable character. I know Stoya won't share any spoilers here, but I wonder what he has planned for Mallory fans that want to romance her.