VN Ren'Py Chasing Sunsets [v0.9a] [Stone Fox Studios]

[Dessolos]

The fact that you don't care the MC, when you are playing as the MC, is proof that most MC are badly written. And if they don't know how to write a decent MC (Main Character), how it's possible they can write any other character?

Nah this is more of a me thing than a writing problem. I just play disconnected from MC's in general but I get into all the other characters alot. I'm like this with literally every AVN and AAA / AA video games as well even ones that have really good stories. I just don't get into main characters I never once really found my self caring about a Main character always cared more for the characters around them. Probably from years of playing normal games in general where all I cared about was having fun , the gameplay and what happens next in the story but never making any choices in a story for what made sense for my character but what I thought was fun or min maxing dark / light side points or what have you.

But writing is subjective I personally have a hard time noticing bad writing in 90% of AVN's I play because of how I play in the moment and thinking about the context of what is being said and not ever thinking critically about the writing.

 

[Retrofire]

Nah this is more of a me thing than a writing problem. I just play disconnected from MC's in general but I get into all the other characters alot. I'm like this with literally every AVN and AAA / AA video games as well even ones that have really good stories. I just don't get into main characters I never once really found my self caring about a Main character always cared more for the characters around them. Probably from years of playing normal games in general where all I cared about was having fun , the gameplay and what happens next in the story but never making any choices in a story for what made sense for my character but what I thought was fun or min maxing dark / light side points or what have you.

I think this is fairly common and comes down to the player who self-inserts versus the one who does not. It's a very real distinction, is entirely personal, and it's apparently challenging to appease both preferences.

Self-inserters may feel personally betrayed by NTR, are unable (if male) to play female protagonist, and may find incest repulsive.

For instance, as a non-self-inserter, while I find fictional incest to be situationally hot, I am repulsed by the thought of actually engaging in it with real family. It's third-party perspective that makes it work for me. E.g. "I'd never do it, but it's hot when she does it."

Further, self-inserters may rebel when the MC does something they would personally not do, and feel robbed of agency. I remember the devs of this game saying in a livestream that they attempted to thread the needle by doing no POV shots of MC to discourage self-insertion, while leaving the MC non-committal in many situations so self-inserters still weren't told how they should feel in the moment.

Obviously, your mileage may vary.

 

[Jafo]

About the political bias, I was talking in general, not specifically this game.

All the female characters are lesbians by default in most of the games. I suppose the devs think that 'lesbians are hot', so the player won't mind to discover that the Li that he's been romancing actually has a lesbian relationship already. Well, I do, I find it a fucking trap from the dev, pisses me off, and destroys any interest I would have for that specific Li. And obviously, the Lis of this game are lesbians, since they have lesbian sex for years. That thing of 'I have been fucking with my BBF for years, but I'm not lesbian' is just moronic.

The fact that you don't care the MC, when you are playing as the MC, is proof that most MC are badly written. And if they don't know how to write a decent MC (Main Character), how it's possible they can write any other character?

The problem is, there's no actual competition, since the best games out there (BaDIK, Summer's gone, Intertwined, AWAM) are equally garbage in terms of writing. So, even in steam, if you want an erotic game, all you'll find is subpar writing, clichés, awful betas MC with magic cocks, Lis that are only attractive because of their 3D models, not because their personality, political bias and lesbians, lesbians Lis everywhere.

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I have a question for you. If you don't like lesbian scenes, please press the CTRL button or do not play the game. People get so excited about lesbian. So please leave the game as it is here when you don't like this.

OMG just look for once to two women please. It is good!

And else just go on playing the games which you mentioned. And have fun there! They are also very good.

 

[Penfold Mole]

While I agree that most AVN's are poorly written, (What am I kidding, most of them are rather awful) I've never assumed to be able to find some marvels of literature among them. So what I'm talking about here is a relative scale: take the best written AVN you know and compare others based on the relative scale with that one on top. And put another one on top when you find a better one. Otherwise you'll never be able to find anything good to say about any of them.

Clichés? Sure. Find me an average, relatively good movie without any.

But calling writing bad just because the main characters are "betas" (in your "macho" opinion ) and "all women are lesbians" is rather simplistic. Not to mention, highly-highly subjective, based on very personal dislikes.
Not that other opinions aren't subjective, but the reasonable ones, trying to be at least somewhat objective, are trying to ignore personal dislikes and the people who aren't able to do that, after understanding that the product was created for very different tastes than they happen to have, simply found enough decency inside them not to write a hateful review about beef stakes from a vegan point of view.

 

[Amedore]

I think this is fairly common and comes down to the player who self-inserts versus the one who does not. It's a very real distinction, is entirely personal, and it's apparently challenging to appease both preferences.

Self-inserters may feel personally betrayed by NTR, are unable (if male) to play female protagonist, and may find incest repulsive.

For instance, as a non-self-inserter, while I find fictional incest to be situationally hot, I am repulsed by the thought of actually engaging in it with real family. It's third-party perspective that makes it work for me. E.g. "I'd never do it, but it's hot when she does it."

Further, self-inserters may rebel when the MC does something they would personally not do, and feel robbed of agency. I remember the devs of this game saying in a livestream that they attempted to thread the needle by doing no POV shots of MC to discourage self-insertion, while leaving the MC non-committal in many situations so self-inserters still weren't told how they should feel in the moment.

Obviously, your mileage may vary.

It's not that I self-insert in the game and think I'm the MC, but man, is a game, not a movie, a TV show, a comic or a novel. You are controlling the MC, deciding for him. It it were a good game, you should feel immersed in the game. If you are just seeing what happens as if it were a movie, just as an external viewer, you are not actually playing and the dev is not doing his job, that is get the immersion of the player in the game. If those devs are trying to discourage that the player feels immersed in the game, those guys are idiots that should do a movie or a graphic novel, not a game, because they actually don't know what a game is. And that would explain a lot, by the way. I think it happens the same with most of the devs. In other genres, developers try their best to make the players feel immersed in the game, and for a while they feel like WWII soldiers, monster hunters, F1 drivers, survivors of a nuclear holocaust, or whatever, but these idiots devs of erotic games apparently all they want is for the player to watch their story as if it were a movie and I don't know, jerk off to the porn parts... and they don't even know how to write a good story, because they're all complete amateurs at it.

 

[Amedore]

I have a question for you. If you don't like lesbian scenes, please press the CTRL button or do not play the game. People get so excited about lesbian. So please leave the game as it is here when you don't like this.

OMG just look for once to two women please. It is good!

And else just go on playing the games which you mentioned. And have fun there! They are also very good.

Nah, what I'm going to do is pressing the 'ignore button' in you, since you think you can say me what game I should play and like, and what game not. Goodbye for good.

 

[Retrofire]

It's not that I self-insert in the game and think I'm the MC, but man, is a game, not a movie, a TV show, a comic or a novel. You are controlling the MC, deciding for him. It it were a good game, you should feel immersed in the game. If you are just seeing what happens as if it were a movie, just as an external viewer, you are not actually playing and the dev is not doing his job, that is get the immersion of the player in the game. If those devs are trying to discourage that the player feels immersed in the game, those guys are idiots that should do a movie or a graphic novel, not a game, because they actually don't know what a game is. And that would explain a lot, by the way. I think it happens the same with most of the devs. In other genres, developers try their best to make the players feel immersed in the game, and for a while they feel like WWII soldiers, monster hunters, F1 drivers, survivors of a nuclear holocaust, or whatever, but these idiots devs of erotic games apparently all they want is for the player to watch their story as if it were a movie and I don't know, jerk off to the porn parts... and they don't even know how to write a good story, because they're all complete amateurs at it.

For the record, I was replying very specifically to Dessolos' very relatable post. I'm at a loss as to what constructive feedback I could offer someone so openly derisive of the people producing the content he pirates.

 

[Aristos]

That discussion was all deep and good, but this...

Jaye has 0 personality aside from being an unhinged, unstable, jealous, manipulative and violent lunatic. she literally physically attacked and battered the MC in the prologue for the gall to try to protect her from a would-be rapist! And yet she's apparently so deeply in love with him that she can't forget him for 6 years and is broken hearted when you push her away. Also she looks like one of those keychain trolls from the 80s.

I'm rounding up a vigilante posse to try and track this guy down.
Any volunteers, please ping me and I'll be back tomorrow to pick you all up.

 

[Milton749]

That discussion was all deep and good, but this...



I'm rounding up a vigilante posse to try and track this guy down.
Any volunteers, please ping me and I'll be back tomorrow to pick you all up.

I'm team Mallory. But I'm in.

 

[Amedore]

For the record, I was replying very specifically to Dessolos' very relatable post. I'm at a loss as to what constructive feedback I could offer someone so openly derisive of the people producing the content he pirates.

For the record, I was replying to an open post in an open forum that is not only for fanboys of the games, as far as I know.

I'm not talking for the devs, that probably will never read this. I'm talking for the people here that goes to the review sections of the games and give 5 stars to games that are absolute garbage because the don't have the slightest critical sense, or people who don't understand that making a game has different rules than making a visual novel, a comic book or a movie.

If you make a game in which you create an MC, you give the player the ability to control his decisions and destiny, that is, a ROLE GAME, it is logical to expect (and wish) that the players suspend their sense of reality for a while and feel immersed in the game, that is, play it as a ROLE GAME. That is the goal. But according to what you say, the devs of this game have decided that they don't like players to feel immersed in the game and try to make them feel disconnected and see the game as mere spectators. And that's stupid. If they just want to tell a story, they should have done a Visual Novel without choices, not a game in which "The player's choices will determine both how the game ends, and whom he finishes it with." The problem is, they don't know how to tell a story, nod do a game.

 

[DaFinker]

Jaye definitely has that retard strength to shoulder that rifle like that.

They aren't that heavy, honestly. The only problem Jaye might have is hitting such a small target.

 

[Dessolos]

For the record, I was replying to an open post in an open forum that is not only for fanboys of the games, as far as I know.

I'm not talking for the devs, that probably will never read this. I'm talking for the people here that goes to the review sections of the games and give 5 stars to games that are absolute garbage because the don't have the slightest critical sense, or people who don't understand that making a game has different rules than making a visual novel, a comic book or a movie.

If you make a game in which you create an MC, you give the player the ability to control his decisions and destiny, that is, a ROLE GAME, it is logical to expect (and wish) that the players suspend their sense of reality for a while and feel immersed in the game, that is, play it as a ROLE GAME. That is the goal. But according to what you say, the devs of this game have decided that they don't like players to feel immersed in the game and try to make them feel disconnected and see the game as mere spectators. And that's stupid. If they just want to tell a story, they should have done a Visual Novel without choices, not a game in which "The player's choices will determine both how the game ends, and whom he finishes it with." The problem is, they don't know how to tell a story, nod do a game.

yeah I think the actual plot is kind of boring to me. As I recall when I played it I only looked forward to Jaye and Mallory scenes. I only thought the romance story with Jaye and probably Mallory's characters is well done.

 

[mintymuz]

I'm talking for the people here that goes to the review sections of the games and give 5 stars to games that are absolute garbage because the don't have the slightest critical sense, or people who don't understand that making a game has different rules than making a visual novel, a comic book or a movie.

Just to note, rating a game/thread here is a subjective thing, not objective. That means people can rate a game 5 stars because they enjoy it a lot. It doesn't have to be objectively perfect, that's not what a rating system is for. Five stars says someone really liks the game, even if it might have flaws (or maybe they don't see/care about the flaws, because there is enough for them to overlook them). There's nothing wrong with that at all.

Your comment above just says that you have issue with people giving 5 stars to a game that you personally don't like ("that are absolute garbage") - but that just means that they have a different opinion to yours, and they (and you) are allowed those opinions.

 

[Dessolos]

Just to note, rating a game/thread here is a subjective thing, not objective. That means people can rate a game 5 stars because they enjoy it a lot. It doesn't have to be objectively perfect, that's not what a rating system is for. Five stars says someone really liks the game, even if it might have flaws (or maybe they don't see/care about the flaws, because there is enough for them to overlook them). There's nothing wrong with that at all.

Your comment above just says that you have issue with people giving 5 stars to a game that you personally don't like ("that are absolute garbage") - but that just means that they have a different opinion to yours, and they (and you) are allowed those opinions.

This is 100% true ive played games on here that I think are garbage but the enjoyment factor was high enough for me to give it a 4 or 5 star easily. That and a game doesn't need to be subjective good for it to be enjoyable or to like it. Hell about 1/2 or so of my top 10 are probably worst games then some lower than it but I enjoyed and liked them more.

Well, NO, it's NOT.

lmfao thanks for the laugh but it 100% is not everyone likes or thinks the same writing is good or bad. Hell alot of games I like some would say are badly written but I don't agree as I just cant see it personally. So to me that's their subjective opinion of it being bad and mine that I like it. So yeah I don't see how writing isn't subjective.

 

[Ottoeight]

He literally says in the next sentence that even July "will be a bit of a squeeze for us", so late July sounds about right

Well, they said July, therefore it's August. I'd add: second half.

at the end of the day writing is subjective

Well, NO, it's NOT.

 

[jingyuchua]

I'm talking for the people here that goes to the review sections of the games and give 5 stars to games that are absolute garbage because the don't have the slightest critical sense, or people who don't understand that making a game has different rules than making a visual novel, a comic book or a movie.

Here you go, calling anyone who does not see the game through your lens of analyzing a game "Not having critical sense". Everyone who plays the game does not see it the way you do, ofcourse you have the right to express how you feel about the game good or bad no one is stopping you. But telling everyone who do not agree with the way you see a game, not having critical sense to judge a game is just plain stupid they might just enjoy it more than you do, everyone will have different opinions you cannot state your view as objective reality it is still subjective, no matter how many PHDs you have in reviewing porn games lol.

 

[Amedore]

Here you go, calling anyone who does not see the game through your lens of analyzing a game "Not having critical sense". Everyone who plays the game does not see it the way you do, ofcourse you have the right to express how you feel about the game good or bad no one is stopping you. But telling everyone who do not agree with the way you see a game, not having critical sense to judge a game is just plain stupid they might just enjoy it more than you do, everyone will have different opinions you cannot state your view as objective reality it is still subjective, no matter how many PHDs you have in reviewing porn games lol.

The general level of erotic games is sub par. That's a fact. Someone with a bit of critical sense can butcher easily 95% of the games of this site in terms of plotholes and characters.

I'm not talking about honest fap material, like 'Project Miriam', 'Her desire', 'Champions of liberty institute, NauthyLyanna and similar ones. I'm talking about ambitious (I would better say pretentious) games that supposedly are trying to tell an interesting story and create relatable characters, like this one, BaDIK, Summer's Gone, A Wife and Mother, Intertwined or The Bite Revenant. Those are the games that come to my mind right now.

Those games have a lot of reviews of 5 stars, but all of them have huge plotholes, Lis that are only attractive because their 3D model are attractive, not because of their personality and traits, stupid antagonist, cliché scenes, unattractive MC to play as, etc. And devs that are creating a role-playing game with a player that controls a MC and takes decisions for him, but that don't know even the basics to create one of those games; they think that are the same rules as if they were creating a comic or a movie. They don't know the difference between 'player' and 'viewer'. That's a fact. So, yes, most of the people doesn't actually ask for quality. I suppose most of them just want good 3D models with big tits and a 'skip' button for skipping most of the text between lewd scene and lewd scene.

 

[mintymuz]

The general level of erotic games is sub par. That's a fact. Someone with a bit of critical sense can butcher easily 95% of the games of this site in terms of plotholes and characters.

I'm not talking about honest fap material, like 'Project Miriam', 'Her desire', 'Champions of liberty institute, NauthyLyanna and similar ones. I'm talking about ambitious (I would better say pretentious) games that supposedly are trying to tell an interesting story and create relatable characters, like this one, BaDIK, Summer's Gone, A Wife and Mother, Intertwined or The Bite Revenant. Those are the games that come to my mind right now.

Those games have a lot of reviews of 5 stars, but all of them have huge plotholes, Lis that are only attractive because their 3D model are attractive, not because of their personality and traits, stupid antagonist, cliché scenes, unattractive MC to play as, etc. And devs that are creating a role-playing game with a player that controls a MC and takes decisions for him, but that don't know even the basics to create one of those games; they think that are the same rules as if they were creating a comic or a movie. They don't know the difference between 'player' and 'viewer'. That's a fact. So, yes, most of the people doesn't actually ask for quality. I suppose most of them just want good 3D models with big tits and a 'skip' button for skipping most of the text between lewd scene and lewd scene.

Yeah, so what? People are free to like what they want, for the reasons they want. You're free to have negative opinions of what other people like. It doesn't make those people wrong, or you right. Just let people enjoy the games they enjoy playing, and let them rate them highly if they enjoy them.

It's a rarity these days, it appears, but another thing we could do, is go back to using the game threads to discuss the games themselves...

 

[Milton749]

It's a rarity these days, it appears, but another thing we could do, is go back to using the game threads to discuss the games themselves...

What a great idea, I can't wait for the next update to spend some time with these beauties.

 

[jingyuchua]

What a great idea, I can't wait for the next update to spend some time with these beauties.

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I had a question, if you choose 1 of this hotties over another right from the start. Does it change the story by any chance? Or the story remains the same, just changes in scenes?