VN Ren'Py Companion of Darkness [Ch.9] [Berkili4]

[Meiri]

So I caught up with the latest chapter and I am disappointed with the way the story has been developing...

Powerlevels: they are all over the place first we had Matt / Az who was building up to be a great rival for us and then... Nothing, We never beat him in fact it's him who wins and it's not even close so Rule B saves the day and he disappears from the story what a waste of a character...

Now that the first big boss is defeated, we had a short plot were we start planning on how to get Noel back, I thought this was good specially how we fought against One and Three it felt like we had actually improved combats here felt more balanced even with a little help from Nael and then Amy became a primordial...

Amy and Ciarara are cool I love them both, but the story now feels like we gotta catch all these pokemons companions, like seriously at this point who exactly is a threat? We got perfect defense (Amy) perfect senses (Cia) pretty good offensive (Noel) one of the best armors you can get... Am I supposed to be worried about some Japanese primordial? Claire? Even Zero does not impress me much by this point...

Claire going full war crimes... And no one really tried to really stop her by this point? Seriously? Gabriel actions feel so stupid waiting so much to do anything and then sacrifice himself so Claire can continue? Gab could have warned us, joined the brotherhood, anything... The way Claire was treating Emma should raise enough flags to see something is wrong with her... Even Clara should have noticed the way her mother has been behaving these last months wasn't normal...

I still like most companions and want to see how they continue to develop but I hope this next arc gets better...

 

[VoidExile]

Had it not been for Claire's appearance on a certain someone's laptop, this cliffhanger wouldn't have been nearly as painful. Rude...

Spoiler: Ch 9. Questions, reactions, rambling etc etc etc

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[HiP1]

So I caught up with the latest chapter and I am disappointed with the way the story has been developing...

Powerlevels: they are all over the place first we had Matt / Az who was building up to be a great rival for us and then... Nothing, We never beat him in fact it's him who wins and it's not even close so Rule B saves the day and he disappears from the story what a waste of a character...

Now that the first big boss is defeated, we had a short plot were we start planning on how to get Noel back, I thought this was good specially how we fought against One and Three it felt like we had actually improved combats here felt more balanced even with a little help from Nael and then Amy became a primordial...

Amy and Ciarara are cool I love them both, but the story now feels like we gotta catch all these pokemons companions, like seriously at this point who exactly is a threat? We got perfect defense (Amy) perfect senses (Cia) pretty good offensive (Noel) one of the best armors you can get... Am I supposed to be worried about some Japanese primordial? Claire? Even Zero does not impress me much by this point...

Claire going full war crimes... And no one really tried to really stop her by this point? Seriously? Gabriel actions feel so stupid waiting so much to do anything and then sacrifice himself so Claire can continue? Gab could have warned us, joined the brotherhood, anything... The way Claire was treating Emma should raise enough flags to see something is wrong with her... Even Clara should have noticed the way her mother has been behaving these last months wasn't normal...

I still like most companions and want to see how they continue to develop but I hope this next arc gets better...

Matt's end was anticlimactic for sure, but there was no doubt MC would never catchup and win. the story needed a deus ex machina to resolve that.
Zero alone is a threat to MC as he can damage the soul. if you add that he could get one of Ren's sword, he would be a very serious threat to MC.

 

[HiP1]

Where is it confirmed? In what dialogue? Is there any explicit dialogue that confirms that Noel is a virgin? Is there an image? When they have sex for the first time, they don't have delicate sex. She makes it clear at the beginning of the game how her species works when they make a connection with a human, supposedly she has the age of existence itself before light 13 billion years, impossible for a woman to remain a virgin after so long
My comment wouldn't exist if the game's tags were "virgin". Maybe it's not very relevant because there's almost never sex, from where I deleted it, which is a little after sex with Noel

Noel is much younger than all the other dark ones, though. she was born when the Pact was made because Nael was too powerful.
it's possible Noel was the only virgin among the dark ones Nael could potentially also be one, up until she met Gab, as there was no one powerful enough to fuck her xD most being won't even look her in the eye...

Yeah, okay, but tbh her not having her "imbued chain" on her unless she is at work is dumb. How long was the MC living with them with a companion? How long has she known the MC's brother? She has never taken the chain home? Why not? Sry, as hard as the dev tries that's an obvious plothole. There's absolutely no reason why she would need to take that chain off before she goes home. It clearly works away from the workplace, as you mentioned with your quote, so why would she always take it off? That's a plothole mate. Unless it doesn't work away from the work place, which you proved is not the case with your quote, why would she ever take it off?

reason is simple enough, it would be a risk to have it at home and on the way home, as it could be stolen, or even just touched by anyone like her daughter and potentially expose the world of companions and dark ones if it happens at the wrong time and place. keeping the secret is very high in their priorities.

 

[OhGodNotAgain]

but the story now feels like we gotta catch all these pokemons companions

I want to see him collect more LOL. I want to see him bond with Tessa too.

 

[camube]

when the mc talked to Blake in the bunker, i found out that both choices lead to "manage to stay on Blake's path". So what's the fail requirement?

is it points? do my MC have too many points and so both option lead to staying on Blake's path?

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

when the mc talked to Blake in the bunker, i found out that both choices lead to "manage to stay on Blake's path". So what's the fail requirement?

is it points? do my MC have too many points and so both option lead to staying on Blake's path?

It's based on your brotherhood points. So if you were on Blake's path but didn't more or less consistently side with the brotherhood then you'd lose her path. Just for reference the fail point is less than 40 Brotherhood points and my save had 81 at the time of the check on the stop the assault path and 71 on the take control of the bunker path. The choice with Blake right before the check gives +15 brotherhood for "Blake I don't know what to tell you" and -15 brotherhood for "You have no choice but to trust me." So if you've got enough brotherhood points then you'll stay on her path with either one of the bunker paths with either choice made. There was a lot of leeway on that check.

 

[illogicallity]

Noel is much younger than all the other dark ones, though. she was born when the Pact was made because Nael was too powerful.
it's possible Noel was the only virgin among the dark ones Nael could potentially also be one, up until she met Gab, as there was no one powerful enough to fuck her xD most being won't even look her in the eye...



reason is simple enough, it would be a risk to have it at home and on the way home, as it could be stolen, or even just touched by anyone like her daughter and potentially expose the world of companions and dark ones if it happens at the wrong time and place. keeping the secret is very high in their priorities.

Nah bro, what, is the assumption that she will only meet a dark one while she's at work? What dark one would be close enough without her knowing that she wouldn't know they were there before anyone else got close enough to touch the necklace? It's a plothole dude. I'm honestly laughing at all the responses trying to argue it away.

 

[adsta]

Nah bro, what, is the assumption that she will only meet a dark one while she's at work? What dark one would be close enough without her knowing that she wouldn't know they were there before anyone else got close enough to touch the necklace? It's a plothole dude. I'm honestly laughing at all the responses trying to argue it away.

It's questioning from people that they would be worried about, not questioning from dark ones.

 

[illogicallity]

It's questioning from people that they would be worried about, not questioning from dark ones.

What questioning? "why are you wearing that chain"? You are aware people wear jewelery in their eyebrows, mouth, cheek, tongue, and tattoos everywhere on their body and surprisingly enough, people don't ask about them because people either don't care or they realize it's not their business? Seriously, her wearing a chain that she can just hide under a shit is something she would be worried about? BS. Plot hole. I get it, you don't like people criticizing your favorite game. I think this game is great, it's been one of my favorites that I've been following since the dev started, but it's a plot hole.

 

[adsta]

What questioning? "why are you wearing that chain"? You are aware people wear jewerly in their eyebrows, mouth, cheek, tongue, and tattoos everywhere on their body and surprisingly enough, people don't ask about them because people either don't care or they realize it's not their business? Seriously, her wearing a chain that she can just hide under a shit is something she would be worried about? BS. Plot hole. I get it, you don't like people criticizing your favorite game. I think this game is great, but it's a plot hole.

It's quite common for people to ask where others got their jewellery from, this could create problems. Or maybe it gets stolen by someone and then they have the ability to see dark ones. Something like that where as at work it is safe. Also the fact she simply doesn't need it at home, or at least didn't think she needed it.

It's explained, if you choose to accept that explanation is up to you, however I don't see the point in arguing against cannon.

 

[illogicallity]

It's quite common for people to ask where others got their jewellery from, this could create problems. Or maybe it gets stolen by someone and then they have the ability to see dark ones. Something like that where as at work it is safe. Also the fact she simply doesn't need it at home, or at least didn't think she needed it.

It's explained, if you choose to accept that explanation is up to you, however I don't see the point in arguing against cannon.

"Where'd you get your chain?" "My husband/son/friend gave it to me" End of story, or how else do you think it would go down? Jfc, are you a real human being?


Edit: Yeah, you are the most dense fucking person on the website, apparently. Not looking to get punished by the mods so let's pretend like you won an argument because I lost all interest in arguing with a fake account that can't even form a logical argument.

 

[adsta]

"Where'd you get your chain?" "My husband/son/friend gave it to me" End of story, or how else do you think it would go down? Jfc, are you a real human being?

It's explained, if you choose to accept that explanation is up to you, however I don't see the point in arguing against cannon. You can always suggest small dialogue changes to the dev himself in the discord to make this explaination make more sense for you and anyone who thinks similarly.

 

[Zorad]

It's not a plot hole nor is it a perfectly plausible situation either, it's just convenience. It was convenient for Claire to not take her special jewelry home because the plot would be completely different otherwise. Just like it was also convenient that Ciarara was the first Dark One the MC finds when he is looking for Noel. Every story has them, it's not that deep.

 

[illogicallity]

It's not a plot hole nor is it a perfectly plausible situation either, it's just convenience. It was convenient for Claire to not take her special jewelry home because the plot would be completely different otherwise. Just like it was also convenient that Ciarara was the first Dark One the MC finds when he is looking for Noel. Every story has them, it's not that deep.

Bull shit it's not a plothole. I respect your pacifist viewpoint but trying to invalidate my argument with no evidence? Nah, it's a fucking plothole. You guys so ardently trying to tell me it's not a plothole has just made me double down. Prove it's not a plothole and I'll back down, or just move on. Stop trying to tell me it's not a plothole with zero evidence.

I honestly don't even give a fuck that the plothole exists, I just wanted more info, but for some reason you smurfs decided to try and gaslight me instead.

Edit: Yep, I'm done arguing. No evidence, bunch of words. More gaslighting. Cya.

 

[Kugatsu500]

Bull shit it's not a plothole. I respect your pacifist viewpoint but trying to invalidate my argument with no evidence? Nah, it's a fucking plothole. You guys so ardently trying to tell me it's not a plothole has just made me double down. Prove it's not a plothole and I'll back down, or just move on. Stop trying to tell me it's not a plothole with zero evidence.

I honestly don't even give a fuck that the plothole exists, I just wanted more info, but for some reason you fanboys/smurfs decided to try and gaslight me instead.

You can't prove a negative, so "prove it is not a plot hole" is not possible, but I will try to argue as to why I don't think it is. A plot hole presents itself as an inconsistency in the narrative, or in a character. Claire not having her necklace with her at home is most certainly not a plot hole, because it is not inconsistent with anything that was said or shown in the story. It would be a plot hole IF, and only IF, we had a dialogue saying that it was mandatory, or at least common practice for every single employee of the Order always carries their equipment with them, which was never said.

The Order functions in a way that is similar to the military. And in the military people don't take their service weapons home, when they are not serving, their equipment is stored in the military armory. And the imbued artifacts are even more important than weapons, so there is logic to why they wouldn't be allowed to carry them at all times outside of when they are serving.

Also, on another argument entirely, these people only need these imbued artifacts when they are investigating and hunting for Dark Ones at the orders of the higher ups. In the same way that military personnel don't need to take their service weapons home (and they can't anyways), the people of the Order don't need to take their artifacts, because they are off duty, they would not be out hunting for companions and dark ones, just as soldiers would not be out hunting criminals on the street when they are off duty.

Even if there was a danger of them being attacked in their homes by some disgruntled Companion, which again, was never mentioned in the game canon, a single civilian with no power would not be able to fight back anyways, and the only result would be them dying and artifact being lost.

And just as a final point, the Order employees were able to detect MC as a Companion when he was using Nael's pearl, and other Companions were also able to detect him. So considering that imbued artifactss are pretty much the same thing as Nael's pearl, just weaker, it would be pretty possible that those things could be detected by other Companions, which would put these people in jeopardy while they were unprotected at their homes. So yes, there are a lot of logical reasons, and precedent, as to why Claire wouldn't use her imbued artifact at home.

I hope you can consider my arguments without anger, and without believing people want to gaslight you. At least, I don't.

 

[adsta]

Bull shit it's not a plothole. I respect your pacifist viewpoint but trying to invalidate my argument with no evidence? Nah, it's a fucking plothole. You guys so ardently trying to tell me it's not a plothole has just made me double down. Prove it's not a plothole and I'll back down, or just move on. Stop trying to tell me it's not a plothole with zero evidence.

I honestly don't even give a fuck that the plothole exists, I just wanted more info, but for some reason you fanboys/smurfs decided to try and gaslight me instead.

I already told you the explanation, I already said that you can always suggest changes. Arguing about it more won't change anything. Feel free to go into the discord and suggest how you think it could be changed to make more sense, I'll even try and help to make sure it doesn't contradict anything else, but there is no reason to keep going on and on saying the same thing and trying to insult others.

 

[Zorad]

Bull shit it's not a plothole. I respect your pacifist viewpoint but trying to invalidate my argument with no evidence? Nah, it's a fucking plothole. You guys so ardently trying to tell me it's not a plothole has just made me double down. Prove it's not a plothole and I'll back down, or just move on. Stop trying to tell me it's not a plothole with zero evidence.

I honestly don't even give a fuck that the plothole exists, I just wanted more info, but for some reason you fanboys/smurfs decided to try and gaslight me instead.

The evidence is literally Claire saying that she never brought the accessory home. You can call that a bullshit excuse or not, but that's what it is; an excuse. Plot hole would be the game saying that she always brought the jewelry home but somehow never caught neither Liam or Clara with their Dark Ones.

I'm not a fanboy who is unable to accept that one of my favorite games has its flaws. In fact, this games has a few moments that I would call plot holes.

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No one here is trying to gaslight you. There is a difference between plot holes and plot conveniences, and Claire is most certainly the latter's case.

 

[Meiri]

Bull shit it's not a plothole. I respect your pacifist viewpoint but trying to invalidate my argument with no evidence? Nah, it's a fucking plothole. You guys so ardently trying to tell me it's not a plothole has just made me double down. Prove it's not a plothole and I'll back down, or just move on. Stop trying to tell me it's not a plothole with zero evidence.

I honestly don't even give a fuck that the plothole exists, I just wanted more info, but for some reason you smurfs decided to try and gaslight me instead.

Edit: Yep, I'm done arguing. No evidence, bunch of words. More gaslighting. Cya.

I wouldn't say that's a plothole and it's not exactly the most intelligent decision on Claire not to bring the jewelry home but there are possible explanations for that: Her daughter never leaves the house, she lives on order territory, Matt is supposed to live relatively near and at this point in story is supposed to be honorable, he wouldn't let dangerous ferals or companions get nearby so no really need to take that jewelry home.

But for someone like Claire who is pretty competent at her job and has a lot of knowledge about companions she should have suspected something was off when her daughter left with MC specially after the experience she just had at school...

 

[resgar]

So I caught up with the latest chapter and I am disappointed with the way the story has been developing...

Powerlevels: they are all over the place first we had Matt / Az who was building up to be a great rival for us and then... Nothing, We never beat him in fact it's him who wins and it's not even close so Rule B saves the day and he disappears from the story what a waste of a character...

Ok. Ill bait. Nope. The MC's power level is slowly growing and still has room to grow.

1 - Michael, in toilet<in locker room< awakening murder
2 - Jason+Styx< Eda< Tessa+Matt 1st meet- 1st defeat/retreat
3 - Metal < Thugs_in_Slums (actually only here 1st clean win for MC, against humans, kek)< Legion at gas station (2 win)
4 - Az - 1 by 1 - defeat, Az vs team- defeat, quite humiliating defeat after defeat arc here. Saved by Deus ex rule B
5 - Expanding setting, melancholy, planning and talking, mostly, really. Combat scenes done by others
6 - Three- 3 win for MC, here, 1st clean win against Companion., One - 4 win, against A rank Companion.
7 - Expanding setting, combat scenes done by others.
8 - France under bridge win against 2 Comps, i assume 2 A ranks, or A+B.
9 - Swords A+A+S, 1 frag,

And here, at the moment, we can assume current MC rank is S, S+ at most. Still below Az from 1st chapter, definitely below current Zero, definitely will be challenge against better sword teams and bigger teams. Ghost and guardian in Asia probably will shake MCs ass too. MC has quite a suop of abilities and skills but still has room to grow in control it.

This is according to the pure Powerlevel. And then there are all sorts of hostage-brothers and helpless hot goth friends and political intrigues. I think the developer quite ready to release convincing 5+ more chapters.

Potential future worthy opponents:
Better sword slaves, teams of Comps, Unus_with supplements, Ghost, Zero, Guardian of Asia, and probably Emma depressed(as Az), manipulated or enslaved by sword. Also Claire or someone else might come to idea to reawake Tessah in human world, as we did with Arsael.

As for Claire and Gab and others


Who can stop Clair in order if they specifically invited her again, as is too much challenge just to handle only strike force groups? And why some one has to stop her here if there are results for Order? Realistically who can possibly and wanted to stop Claire? Only who sees full picture of her operations is Gab and us (as Player).

And Gab painfully naive and spoiled by Nael. It is only Nael allow Gab too keep his White knight cap and cape, and relatively clean hands. And also Gab was spoiled by Nael who constantly patched and solving, even HUMANITY DESTRUCTION - level, his bad decisions. That is why Gab is tended to bite more than he chew at the moment. And still trying to solve all alone. Gab has it flaws too.

Emma is still just naive schoolgirl hurdled in blood vortex way bigger than she even can imagine. It is too much for her notice anything as she confused by her feelings at first, and after that, literally physically stunned by Zero.

Clara is still sheltered and still live in her game world, she still cant imagine that mother can do something wrong.


They all only humans. Allow them to be. It is exactly this imperfection of each character makes story more realistic overall.
And yes, exactly these imperfections will be room to characters to grow.