Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[Khaitoh]

People having two to three Distortion in one run while mine started as "impossible" since I would like to be able to break Core Vuls but the other two already have up to T2 Vuls broken, like bruh. Can't the first Campaign loop not include Chosen with already one or most times even 2 Vuls already broken to T2? Like I had one run with all 3 having 2 sets of Vuls broken to T2, insta delete.

 

[Sinistrem]

If they are the forbidden vulnerabilities that had to be kept for negotiation, maybe breaking them would break negotiation still. Cannot confirm, my last attempt at negotiation only netted me one Chosen, so I didn't save it, and my only distortion saves are a two temptation/one normal win save and a triple aversion save.

Well, the first thing I did after getting a negotiation forsaken was take her virginity in custom scene, which results in t2 morality break (also lol'd when she was like "finally, took you long enough"), and she still is a negotiation forsaken so I doubt it breaks distortions.

 

[alex2011]

Well, the first thing I did after getting a negotiation forsaken was take her virginity in custom scene, which results in t2 morality break (also lol'd when she was like "finally, took you long enough"), and she still is a negotiation forsaken so I doubt it breaks distortions.

They say exactly the same thing if you manage to save their virginity as a Forsaken, it may just be a case of one line for every consensual virginity loss to the demon lord outside of combat.

As for the unbroken vulnerabilities on Forsaken, never dealt with them, though I do have two saves with Forsaken that have vulnerabilities and distortions. I'll test it out when I get my current deployed Forsaken to penetrate her own friend that finally spawned after six reloads of the save, but I do not have negotiation Forsaken, though any distortion should work to test.

EDIT: I don't have this on my saves, can't even see what vulnerabilities I have, though I know there are some because I had to avoid some.

 

[Sinistrem]

TIL you can get chosen on a distortion path on day 1 without even manually choosing their distortion. Just started loop 4 and this is what I see on day 2 after getting psychic reading lol.

 

[Khaitoh]

Kinda weird but, 1 have a save on Day 15,
Were Oracle has 139k, 2.93M, 362k, 210k and 7.35M
With the 4 Unresolved Trauma and Angst.
Now, it says I have 92% of trauma required for more sinful actions.

Then I do the same things I did on Day 15,
Oracle now has 195k, 2.97M, 465k, 331k, and 11.3M respectively but the note on the Trauma needed is down to 90% ? How?

First I thought maybr it was backwards, but I also havr a save on Day 14 with
134k, 2.93M, 336K and 200k with Trauma required at 65%

Tried to redo Day 14, scored higher Unres Trauma and Angst than Save on Day 15 but lower % again on required trauma...
Now I blame myself from even noticing that part and trying to score "better". And thinking how that note really calculates their next event.

Edit: Nevermind that about on D15 Event, just realized only Core Vuls brokrn counts lel.

 

[Sinistrem]

How does this work? Does this mean she will get trauma bonus per chosen in the current chosen team who has been parasitized during this loop in any way (so up to 372% bonus trauma)? Or does this mean that every time she personally breaks a t4 dignity with a punisher option she gets her trauma damage permanently increased?



I'm mainly asking cause the former feels underwhelming while the latter sounds completely broken if it persists over loops.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

How does this work? Does this mean she will get trauma bonus per chosen in the current chosen team who has been parasitized during this loop in any way (so up to 372% bonus trauma)? Or does this mean that every time she personally breaks a t4 dignity with a punisher option she gets her trauma damage permanently increased?

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I'm mainly asking cause the former feels underwhelming while the latter sounds completely broken if it persists over loops.

I have to say for all 4 of the forsaken roles, it's quite obscure what it does and when. The only one I've had real benefit from are those that lower the % requirement for T5 breaks. There seem to be some that change the chosen if you break them with that forsaken (change max motivation %). Now that I think about it, when assigning roles, there are a number of them that do not show an amount of %, but instead just %, I should screenshot that sometime.

I think what notorious publicist does is that when you use the forsaken that is a notorious publicist, that this forsaken will do a lot of extra trauma damage when she's the demon you send. I think it works like the Resolve bonus against pregnancies from threaten+, where it is up to 3x (per parasitized chosen).

Thematically that seems to fit, because this forsaken is better at publishing the humiliating new clothes.

 

[Sinistrem]

I think what notorious publicist does is that when you use the forsaken that is a notorious publicist, that this forsaken will do a lot of extra trauma damage when she's the demon you send. I think it works like the Resolve bonus against pregnancies from threaten+, where it is up to 3x (per parasitized chosen).

Well I'm not so sure since it is worded similar to this:



and this definitely is a permanent bonus since unlike stuff like threaten+, which can check their impregnation status during the fight, max motivation is something that happens outside of battle. That and also since the forsaken reference guide words these actions differently, not "per impregnation/hypnotism/drain/parasitism" but "per impregnation/hypnotism/drain/parasitism performed"

I wish I could just check the code to see how this works, but I've never used java.

 

[dekeche]

How does this work? Does this mean she will get trauma bonus per chosen in the current chosen team who has been parasitized during this loop in any way (so up to 372% bonus trauma)? Or does this mean that every time she personally breaks a t4 dignity with a punisher option she gets her trauma damage permanently increased?

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I'm mainly asking cause the former feels underwhelming while the latter sounds completely broken if it persists over loops.

+X% own Y per PUNISHER - When this forsaken performs PUNISHER, gain +X% boost to Y permanently (even when they no longer hold that punisher position). So it's the latter bonus. This is one of the better "empowerment" punisher abilities.

 

[Sinistrem]

+X% own Y per PUNISHER - When this forsaken performs PUNISHER, gain +X% boost to Y permanently (even when they no longer hold that punisher position). So it's the latter bonus. This is one of the better "empowerment" punisher abilities.

Thanks, I guess I'd better get her to work then lol. I assume it only happens when punisher action breaks the t4, so you can only trigger it once per chosen / 3 times per loop.

 

[dekeche]

Thanks, I guess I'd better get her to work then lol. I assume it only happens when punisher action breaks the t4, so you can only trigger it once per chosen / 3 times per loop.

I mean, that is technically true - the Forsaken punisher action can only be performed if; 1. The deployed forsaken has a punisher position assigned to them. 2. The chosen currently engaged with the deployed forsaken is a valid target for that punisher. 3. The chosen has not already been effected by this punisher. So it does end up being a one per chosen bonus.

It's just that the bonus is permanent, so even 3 loops later your Notorious publicist will still be striking fear into your enemies because of their earlier conquests.

 

[Sinistrem]

I mean, that is technically true - the Forsaken punisher action can only be performed if; 1. The deployed forsaken has a punisher position assigned to them. 2. The chosen currently engaged with the deployed forsaken is a valid target for that punisher. 3. The chosen has not already been effected by this punisher. So it does end up being a one per chosen bonus.

I see, I've never used them as a punisher before, so wasn't sure how it works.

 

[NilTide]

I took a break from this game for a couple months, but I'm back and have been enjoying the new features. I'm having trouble understanding the AI of animalistic forsaken though. What are the exact conditions that will cause them to use their tier 3 abilities, particularly 'Surrender to Instincts'? I've been varying up how I deal pleasure damage trying to figure it out, but I can almost never trigger it - the chosen would rather just bounce between Wild Hunt and Mating Dance instead. The animalistic chosen I'm currently facing has fully broken morality, confidence, and dignity, but only 175% progress on innocence.

 

[Sinistrem]

I took a break from this game for a couple months, but I'm back and have been enjoying the new features. I'm having trouble understanding the AI of animalistic forsaken though. What are the exact conditions that will cause them to use their tier 3 abilities, particularly 'Surrender to Instincts'? I've been varying up how I deal pleasure damage trying to figure it out, but I can almost never trigger it - the chosen would rather just bounce between Wild Hunt and Mating Dance instead. The animalistic chosen I'm currently facing has fully broken morality, confidence, and dignity, but only 175% progress on innocence.

Afaik their conditions are the same as with all other chosen, in other words, random, but never two of the same in a row. That's generally the problem with having many t3 broken on any chosen since it's nearly impossible to make them focus on a single action. I've never seen them use mating dance before, but if it is anything like striptease they should use it once and then switch to other actions until you get rid of the debuff it caused (i.e. starting a new capture).

I'm not sure what's the best way to farm t4 effectiveness with many t3 breaks, so my main tactic is to have a flying commander with as many captures as possible. I play normally until all of the chosen are in the air and then start capturing a single chosen so that others can use their actions as many times as possible.

 

[Khaitoh]

Afaik their conditions are the same as with all other chosen, in other words, random, but never two of the same in a row. That's generally the problem with having many t3 broken on any chosen since it's nearly impossible to make them focus on a single action. I've never seen them use mating dance before, but if it is anything like striptease they should use it once and then switch to other actions until you get rid of the debuff it caused (i.e. starting a new capture).

I'm not sure what's the best way to farm t4 effectiveness with many t3 breaks, so my main tactic is to have a flying commander with as many captures as possible. I play normally until all of the chosen are in the air and then start capturing a single chosen so that others can use their actions as many times as possible.

I see.. but it's all fun and games until they destroy your commander right after capture xD I really hate when that happens.

 

[Sinistrem]

God, friendships are brutal. Have 2 chosen who can generate 5 EE, but since their shared friend is only capable of generating 2 EE they also generate 2 EE each in a shared action to help their friend relax.
I assume if you have friendships they all need to have a single common vuln break so that they can do it together (i.e. all 3 of them having t2 innocence broken), otherwise they will default to a lower tier sin which they can do together.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

Btw does anyone remember where the advice is on how text color is decided for chosen? I'm going to go back to the drawing board and create a couple for public use, but I can't seem to locate this advice.

 

[dekeche]

Btw does anyone remember where the advice is on how text color is decided for chosen? I'm going to go back to the drawing board and create a couple for public use, but I can't seem to locate this advice.

If I remember right, it's based on the morality vulnerability; red being weak, green being significant, blue being core.
For portraits, the color guide is in the "portrait pack guide" doc in the portraits folder.

 

[MoarDakka123]

Found a weird sentence in a Meet scene.

 

[TitanMoose666]

ive managed to find a way into the code and i noticed that the way the character creation quiz works for assigning stats is very obtuse (project.class, lines 1478-1714), does anyone have a simpler explanation for how each question increases/decreases stats?