Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[SuperSkippy]

Actually Tempted forsaken were changed in last update. They no longer decrease motivation cost, instead they increase plea and expo damage by motivation amount. Also now undead chosen restore 1% in both motivation and stamina per trauma level, so with enough hostility they should make a loop 10 splendor more viable. There is also more incentive to do splendor first now since by triggering meglomaniac on both Splendor and Victory you can remove two of her debuffs.

I thought I remembered reading something about that. All my CS time is going to the Play and Learn until next update, and I'm not playing nearly so much right now due to having a lot more going on. Maybe next month will be different and I'll get to challenge higher loops.

Also imo inju/expo is better for over all damage. Especially since you can usually get level 3 expo on the second chosen(Unless she is core expo)+ can deal more damage with inju. Not to mention the fact you open yourself up to getting both Inju and Expo defiler on a chosen with that forsaken. Inju also helps in getting an easy temptation.

I can see how that would work, actually. Maybe I'll try something along those lines next time I play with Forsaken. What cost do you target? Somewhere in the low teens? I target 4EE for my EXPO/PLEA switcher.

 

[fenyx]

Question : Does anyone know what happens if you have a "powerful harvester =-789% to drain" and all of it adds to 1000% ? (for example with your achievements ) does that mean you can drain somebody inmediatelly? can you break a level 4 vulnerability without getting to 100 million damage?

 

[Nobody032]

I thought bait just made someone from the next lineup to be family and receive extra damage.
Does bait do something else too?

It does do that. But due to the way the chosen "show up" and how relationship are decided, you can switch around the species of chosen(The personalities remain the same). The species chosen will always come last (The priority of who arrives last is Devil>Animalistic>Undead>Superior>Normal>Angel I believe). But the chosen with relationship also always arrive last. The relationship is decided based on chosen/forsaken personalities, so certain chosen can't arrive last because they can't have a relationship with your bait forsaken, which means the "order" of arrival will switch leading to switching of species as well.

I may have made it more complicated than it should be, just try setting up different baits and see the change in order of arrival. Make sure that the "different" bait forsaken have different personalities when you change them.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Question : Does anyone know what happens if you have a "powerful harvester =-789% to drain" and all of it adds to 1000% ? (for example with your achievements ) does that mean you can drain somebody inmediatelly? can you break a level 4 vulnerability without getting to 100 million damage?

It's multiplicative, not additive. So if you have -789% to Drain, your needed Drain is multiplied by .211. If you have the level 3 Drain achievement (-600% Drain PE needed), your needed Drain is multiplied by 0.4. So in this specific example the cost would be (1000)(.4)(.211) = 84.4% PE needed, which is less than the 100% that it begins with after T3 is broken.

I've never tried to get these to that level of bonus or peeked hard at that part of the source code, so I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly sure that you have to first break T3 even if you reduce Punisher Effectiveness needed below the 100% that they start with.

 

[Nobody032]

Okay so I think I found another bug which I don't know the workings of. I am unable to do any damage to Fortune with surround actions unless I get like level 4 expo on other chosen.

Here is the save file:

 

[fenyx]

It's multiplicative, not additive. So if you have -789% to Drain, your needed Drain is multiplied by .211. If you have the level 3 Drain achievement (-600% Drain PE needed), your needed Drain is multiplied by 0.4. So in this specific example the cost would be (1000)(.4)(.211) = 84.4% PE needed, which is less than the 100% that it begins with after T3 is broken.

I've never tried to get these to that level of bonus or peeked hard at that part of the source code, so I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly sure that you have to first break T3 even if you reduce Punisher Effectiveness needed below the 100% that they start with.

I was asking because you can break T3 without breaking T2 if you get people into an orgy and I thought you could get the needed drain to below 0 (thought the multiplicative part breaks down what I was thinking)

 

[Deleted member 2691156]

I was asking because you can break T3 without breaking T2 if you get people into an orgy and I thought you could get the needed drain to below 0 (thought the multiplicative part breaks down what I was thinking)

Side note about not breaking T2, when a chosen gets a T3 break from her major vulnerability you will get a vignette during which she gets the T1 and T2 breaks. In addition this vignette will break the T1 and T2 of the chosen with the corresponding minor vulnerability unless she already had it distorted

 

[fenyx]

Side note about not breaking T2, when a chosen gets a T3 break from her major vulnerability you will get a vignette during which she gets the T1 and T2 breaks. In addition this vignette will break the T1 and T2 of the chosen with the corresponding minor vulnerability unless she already had it distorted

I was asking myself why sometimes t2 didnt break and why it sometimes did :S

triggering those things should be in Achievements haha

 

[damicles]

Been trying to get my head around playing this but just a quick question what it the approch suppost to be used for can you corrupt them using it.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Been trying to get my head around playing this but just a quick question what it the approch suppost to be used for can you corrupt them using it.

Hello and welcome!

I have a walkthrough with included save file that takes you through the steps of playing and learning this game.

It takes you all the way though and tells you what commands (and why) until you're ready to give it a try on your own.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[damicles]

Hello and welcome!

I have a walkthrough with included save file that takes you through the steps of playing and learning this game.

It takes you all the way though and tells you what commands (and why) until you're ready to give it a try on your own.

You must be registered to see the links

Hi thanks for the reply I have had a look at it and managed to get up to day 18 but for some reason the orgy will not fire unless I do more damage to Royal bear in mind I have followed the guide exactly.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Hi thanks for the reply I have had a look at it and managed to get up to day 18 but for some reason the orgy will not fire unless I do more damage to Royal bear in mind I have followed the guide exactly.

Hey, I'm loading my day 18 save now to see what's up. I probably missed copying down a turn or something. I'll update this post when I know more.

Edit: I've looked into it, and I think there were some moves at the beginning where I wasn't clear on which Chosen to target. I've gone through the sequence for Combat 18 again and can get Orgy to trigger on Turn 21 just like the guide (just a 2-turn one, but by this point in the game you've done all the damage you need to do to get all T3 Breaks to trigger). If you aren't able to get this with the revised directions post a screenshot of your Turn 21 so I can try to figure out what's different about your playthrough.

Apart from that, how's the guide working for you? Are you able to follow what moves you're doing and why those moves are helpful? The goal is for someone totally new to the game to be able to follow directions turn by turn and learn important concepts as they go--is that working for you?

 

[damicles]

Hey, I'm loading my day 18 save now to see what's up. I probably missed copying down a turn or something. I'll update this post when I know more.

Sorry I think it was Day 16 the part from R16 to 18 has the same command for the same character.

 

[Nobody032]

I am assuming the fact that undead tempted forsaken stop gaining motivation from trauma after reaching 100% stamina is not intended?

Edit: Seems like propaganda item adds angst during the battle which means you won't be getting it's benefit of 1G angst if you have an angel chosen or trigger tempt/rampage.

On a side note, wanted to see item upgrades this campaign but I have reached loop 15 and still haven't gotten a single one. I haven't been skipping loops, maybe that's why?

Edit 2: The angel thing was not a bug just me being dumb and thinking I had more disgrace forsaken than I thought. Still I am assuming the angel achievement bonus only works on future forsaken after level up?

 

[SuperSkippy]

Sorry I think it was Day 16 the part from R16 to 18 has the same command for the same character.

Ok. Day 16 Try 2 in the guide? I want to make sure this time before I go in and do a play-by-play.

 

[damicles]

Ok. Day 16 Try 2 in the guide? I want to make sure this time before I go in and do a play-by-play.

just tried it R18 you have caress for Silence which has already been done for R16 also instead of Royal having the force orgasm+ it silence that gets it. I then have to use all the grind ect on Royal to finally trigger orgy not sure why this is happening. Ive attached my save just incase you want to check it.

 

[SuperSkippy]

just tried it R18 you have caress for Silence which has already been done for R16 also instead of Royal having the force orgasm+ it silence that gets it. I then have to use all the grind ect on Royal to finally trigger orgy not sure why this is happening. Ive attached my save just incase you want to check it.

Right, there's definitely some incorrect parts to the commands I wrote there. Rather than trying to work out exactly what I did before, I changed a few things and got one turn fewer on the Orgy, but I think the guide will still work. Let me know if it breaks down at a later point from that change, if you're still going along with it. I think this is still enough damage this fight to have them locked in to stuff that happens later in the game.

 

[damicles]

Right, there's definitely some incorrect parts to the commands I wrote there. Rather than trying to work out exactly what I did before, I changed a few things and got one turn fewer on the Orgy, but I think the guide will still work. Let me know if it breaks down at a later point from that change, if you're still going along with it. I think this is still enough damage this fight to have them locked in to stuff that happens later in the game.

Thanks for the reply everything looks to go well until day 18 where in R13 Chaos Attack and them surround in R14 does not trigger.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Thanks for the reply everything looks to go well until day 18 where in R13 Chaos Attack and them surround in R14 does not trigger.

Since that's a few days later, can you post your Day 18 save?

 

[damicles]

Since that's a few days later, can you post your Day 18 save?

No problem