Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.13] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Quintilus]

Cait race, outside of furry characteristics, based on ancient egyptians, right!?
Is there are any examples of 'holly whores' in ancient egypt?

 

[Wrynn13]

Cait race, outside of furry characteristics, based on ancient egyptians, right!?
Is there are any examples of 'holly whores' in ancient egypt?

Not sure about Egyptian temples but lots of cultures did have them, Greek and Babylonian spring to mind. But it really wasn't quite the same thing as the modern concept of prostitution.

 

[Quintilus]

Not sure about Egyptian temples but lots of cultures did have them, Greek and Babylonian spring to mind. But it really wasn't quite the same thing as the modern concept of prostitution.

I know that, but only in general terms. Just want to check how much the genius of a porn game butched concept of a religious prostitution.

 

[Dreadful]

Do people unironically have this nonsense opinion? When the player character is very clearly far more important than cait ever was and nothing the game ever does suggests otherwise?

Or is it because these people just can't stand the idea of a character not solely being part of the harem with the player character being the only one she has sex with?

In CoC1 and TiTS, the MC initially has something that they need to do. Something that drives them throughout their long journey. Even if it's skewed by the player's choices or the story itself. Whether it's saving your village by being a champion in another world or finding your dad's keys across the universe to reclaim your birth rite, it's still something that pushes the MC forward.

In CoC2, they is no such goal. There's no real rhyme or reason for the MC to do what they are doing. From what I remember, the MC was just passing through Hawkethorne and wanted a place to stay for the night. They were on their own journey. Doing what? No one knows. But it came to a halt when a pink catgirl asked for help finding her sister. That's it. There was no pre-existing goal, no driving force behind why MC was even there in the first place. This is just a sidequest that's gone on way too long. Because once her sister is found, the quest is over. There's no longer a real reason to stay.

It has nothing to do with Cait being the town's bike and not the MC's personal pocket pussy, but has everything to do with the adventure being solely based on whether or not her sister is found. The main goal and drive of the entire adventure is Cait's not the MC's. Think about everything the MC has done up to this point. Cait heavily suggests tasks because it could lead to freeing her sister, whether she initiated it or another charater asked for help.

 

[Ssato243]

they fuck this game so much still deportment every update does anybody know when the mod will be updated

 

[Septima]

I recently returned to CoC 1 after trying this again and it's honestly kind of funny just how much better the original is in pretty much every way.

 

[Lucky_I]

In CoC1 and TiTS, the MC initially has something that they need to do. Something that drives them throughout their long journey. Even if it's skewed by the player's choices or the story itself. Whether it's saving your village by being a champion in another world or finding your dad's keys across the universe to reclaim your birth rite, it's still something that pushes the MC forward.

In CoC2, they is no such goal. There's no real rhyme or reason for the MC to do what they are doing. From what I remember, the MC was just passing through Hawkethorne and wanted a place to stay for the night. They were on their own journey. Doing what? No one knows. But it came to a halt when a pink catgirl asked for help finding her sister. That's it. There was no pre-existing goal, no driving force behind why MC was even there in the first place. This is just a sidequest that's gone on way too long. Because once her sister is found, the quest is over. There's no longer a real reason to stay.

It has nothing to do with Cait being the town's bike and not the MC's personal pocket pussy, but has everything to do with the adventure being solely based on whether or not her sister is found. The main goal and drive of the entire adventure is Cait's not the MC's. Think about everything the MC has done up to this point. Cait heavily suggests tasks because it could lead to freeing her sister, whether she initiated it or another charater asked for help.

Page 2, paragraph 2 after starting a new game: "Nearly a year ago, you set off on your own, leaving your former life behind to seek your fortunes on the wild frontier — a year of traveling, exploring, fighting, and surviving alone. You've earned yourself a little coin in your travels, enough to book passage to the furthest reaches of the known world: the Frost Marches."

Pink Cat asks for help against a cult, BBEG shows up and says they're gonna take over, stop them = Adventure and riches, what the MC set out for. Not much different than TiTS really. Dad says to participate in the Rush, get probes to inherit company, stop cousin = Adventure and riches.

It seems like we've reached the point of the thread where people bitch about Cait for soiling the water, burning the crops, and delivering a plague unto houses again.

 

[thecatcameback]

I wish Cait was more like Anno after playing Trials, hooking you up with more sex wherever you go and finding ways for you to bang mystical creatures.

 

[Daken9]

That the wolf from tits? Ngl never even gave her a chance. Soon as i realized she was one of Savin's and his tried and true two dollar skank archetype to boot i was out of her shop in 2.6 seconds

 

[mrttao]

In CoC1 and TiTS, the MC initially has something that they need to do. Something that drives them throughout their long journey. Even if it's skewed by the player's choices or the story itself. Whether it's saving your village by being a champion in another world or finding your dad's keys across the universe to reclaim your birth rite, it's still something that pushes the MC forward.

In CoC2, they is no such goal. There's no real rhyme or reason for the MC to do what they are doing. From what I remember, the MC was just passing through Hawkethorne and wanted a place to stay for the night. They were on their own journey. Doing what? No one knows. But it came to a halt when a pink catgirl asked for help finding her sister. That's it. There was no pre-existing goal, no driving force behind why MC was even there in the first place. This is just a sidequest that's gone on way too long. Because once her sister is found, the quest is over. There's no longer a real reason to stay.

It has nothing to do with Cait being the town's bike and not the MC's personal pocket pussy, but has everything to do with the adventure being solely based on whether or not her sister is found. The main goal and drive of the entire adventure is Cait's not the MC's. Think about everything the MC has done up to this point. Cait heavily suggests tasks because it could lead to freeing her sister, whether she initiated it or another charater asked for help.

That, plus the dev's "power fantasy is bad" nonsense means that MC is always a chump instead of a champion.
Only NPCs can be champions. And in fact the authors all have their champion self inserts in the game whose power towers beyond the heaven.

For example, one of the dev's has an SI who is 9 feet tall and can 1 hit kill the final boss. He is explicitly better at sex than the MC, and explicitly has a bigger cock. The reason he doesn't single handedly beat the demon invasion is that he just doesn't care/view them as a threat.

 

[thecatcameback]

That the wolf from tits? Ngl never even gave her a chance. Soon as i realized she was one of Savin's and his tried and true two dollar skank archetype to boot i was out of her shop in 2.6 seconds

The white haired wolf, yeah. But she's always offering the player sex scenes with other women randomly. She tosses her girlfriend at Steele to bang, and her girlfriend starts simping for the player too. She's just a wingman.

 

[Lucky_I]

That, plus the dev's "power fantasy is bad" nonsense means that MC is always a chump instead of a champion.
Only NPCs can be champions. And in fact the authors all have their champion self inserts in the game whose power towers beyond the heaven.

For example, one of the dev's has an SI who is 9 feet tall and can 1 hit kill the final boss. He is explicitly better at sex than the MC, and explicitly has a bigger cock. The reason he doesn't single handedly beat the demon invasion is that he just doesn't care/view them as a threat.

Damn, those whole 2 other champions we've met. That's certainly a lot.

 

[Mandoto]

That the wolf from tits? Ngl never even gave her a chance. Soon as i realized she was one of Savin's and his tried and true two dollar skank archetype to boot i was out of her shop in 2.6 seconds

I think less than half of Anno's content at this point is/was written by Savin, and while the shit he wrote for her does stain the character since she's basically Cait in space (seems like all these authors can do is copy paste the same two or three characters btw), but some other people have taken over writing her as more of a wingman, William wrote some pretty good scenes for her not long ago.

 

[Biostar]

Honestly my only problem with Anno is that Savin felt the need to establish that she fucked your dad once.

 

[Kroenen12]

This whole quest is basically this

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I am going to throw (another) hot take, but on the topic of Cait... I actually do not hate the healslut as much as everyone else.
Her scenes are pretty hot and in my opinion, she serves as a pretty great introduction to the world and tone of CoC2. Her missing sister is a serious issue, but she isn't turning into a soap-opera and still has a lighthearted, carefree character. Cait saying the she is willing to fuck anyone is also something I felt is on the same wavelength as me starting the game - it's a porn game that is literally called "corruption of champions", I ain't expecting a monogamous lovey-dovey romance as if it's some dating sim VN. I expect a porn-sandbox where I fuck anything that looks hot and Cait looks hot. She (at least the DCL design) looks decent - horny, but not too out there, no enormous cocks, only 15% furry, lewd outfit that makes some sense in lore. A slutty catgirl companion that might agree to any fetish I propose to her? Sign me in, that sounds hot.

That's not to say I think hatred for Cait is undeserved. Being the first companion that is also kinda mandatory to survive unless you really know what you are doing, it makes sense for her to be the most developed to showcase CoC2 promised "improvements" in making companions actually matter in the story. Plus, I assume that people on Fenoxo's Forums do like her, so it's not like more content with her is something that causes uproar for the fanbase they care about. The problem is that it often becomes too much, where she takes too much spotlight and feels like she is the actual main character.

In my previous posts, I did imply that personally I wouldn't find this to be a terrible thing (I mean, I've played games where playable is just there to be alongside an NPC who is the actual main character with an arc to go through), but for this to work that character should be... actually great and Cait isn't great, she is just a decent fit for an average porn game companion. And that's a subjective opinion, some people have higher standards.

The main problem with Cait and the story is that the entire fucking plot hook of CoC2 relies entirely on the idea that player will like Cait and will go on a quest to help her. There aren't many reasons to do so otherwise, you ain't even a local to truly care about the conflict (and the game not being a power-fantasy and featuring OP NPCs makes you wonder why are you even here). As someone who tried writing a story for a game like CoC2, I feel like whoever was responsible for this part fell into a narrative trap. They were too afraid to give MC too much concrete details and aspects that would give real justification for you to go on your adventure, so they left the backstory as simple as possible for you to fill the gaps yourself. At the same time, they were too convinced that Cait's struggle and the treat of Kas (or MC's crush on her???) will be enough of a motivation for you to care about the main story (it probably is for some).

There are games where you have to go to specific direction for the story to work. Shepard has to find and stop Saren. But that's because he has actual concrete personality that the player has a limited control over. Courier has to get to New Vegas. But because the game has enough freedom and angles, you can create an enormous amount of headcannons as to why you need to. CoC2 doesn't go both routes. MC is bland and has no reasons to care. You can hardly make your own reasons for this because you barely have any choices or freedom. So when your entire plot works only because "MC is a good champ who is willing to help a slutty catgirl out and stop a horrifying, powerful demon.", you have to wonder why are you even here, when it's clear that Cait is the one who actually matters and who the writer wants to developer and move through the plot.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Damn, those whole 2 other champions we've met. That's certainly a lot.

Asking the player to suspend their disbelief once for a "champion that is better than you, can ggez the BBEG" is a bit much, but possible. But two champions? It leaves you standing there like "Why am I even here? There's absolutely no way there's two much bigger threats out there, and if there were couldn't two of these champions handle them and then Kasyrra?" It's not even like a "No one can be the hero but me!" thing (edit: and that's not even a wrong thing to feel). It's like playing a LotR game at the Battle of the Morannon, but you're not Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, or Gimli. You're just some Gondorian soldier, who's a bit better at fighting than the other soldiers.

Honestly my only problem with Anno is that Savin felt the need to establish that she fucked your dad once.

I think your dad fucked a lot of the people you run into, I can't remember. It's weird but it's also kinda funny.

 

[Raf-Raf]

I am going to throw (another) hot take, but on the topic of Cait... I actually do not hate the healslut as much as everyone else.
Her scenes are pretty hot and in my opinion, she serves as a pretty great introduction to the world and tone of CoC2. Her missing sister is a serious issue, but she isn't turning into a soap-opera and still has a lighthearted, carefree character. Cait saying the she is willing to fuck anyone is also something I felt is on the same wavelength as me starting the game - it's a porn game that is literally called "corruption of champions", I ain't expecting a monogamous lovey-dovey romance as if it's some dating sim VN. I expect a porn-sandbox where I fuck anything that looks hot and Cait looks hot. She (at least the DCL design) looks decent - horny, but not too out there, no enormous cocks, only 15% furry, lewd outfit that makes some sense in lore. A slutty catgirl companion that might agree to any fetish I propose to her? Sign me in, that sounds hot.

That's not to say I think hatred for Cait is undeserved. Being the first companion that is also kinda mandatory to survive unless you really know what you are doing, it makes sense for her to be the most developed to showcase CoC2 promised "improvements" in making companions actually matter in the story. Plus, I assume that people on Fenoxo's Forums do like her, so it's not like more content with her is something that causes uproar for the fanbase they care about. The problem is that it often becomes too much, where she takes too much spotlight and feels like she is the actual main character.

In my previous posts, I did imply that personally I wouldn't find this to be a terrible thing (I mean, I've played games where playable is just there to be alongside an NPC who is the actual main character with an arc to go through), but for this to work that character should be... actually great and Cait isn't great, she is just a decent fit for an average porn game companion. And that's a subjective opinion, some people have higher standards.

The main problem with Cait and the story is that the entire fucking plot hook of CoC2 relies entirely on the idea that player will like Cait and will go on a quest to help her. There aren't many reasons to do so otherwise, you ain't even a local to truly care about the conflict (and the game not being a power-fantasy and featuring OP NPCs makes you wonder why are you even here). As someone who tried writing a story for a game like CoC2, I feel like whoever was responsible for this part fell into a narrative trap. They were too afraid to give MC too much concrete details and aspects that would give real justification for you to go on your adventure, so they left the backstory as simple as possible for you to fill the gaps yourself. At the same time, they were too convinced that Cait's struggle and the treat of Kas (or MC's crush on her???) will be enough of a motivation for you to care about the main story (it probably is for some).

There are games where you have to go to specific direction for the story to work. Shepard has to find and stop Saren. But that's because he has actual concrete personality that the player has a limited control over. Courier has to get to New Vegas. But because the game has enough freedom and angles, you can create an enormous amount of headcannons as to why you need to. CoC2 doesn't go both routes. MC is bland and has no reasons to care. You can hardly make your own reasons for this because you barely have any choices or freedom. So when your entire plot works only because "MC is a good champ who is willing to help a slutty catgirl out and stop a horrifying, powerful demon.", you have to wonder why are you even here, when it's clear that Cait is the one who actually matters and who the writer wants to developer and move through the plot.

It's one of those shit DnD campaigns where the DM's OC is one of the main and core characters in the campaign.
We don't hate her 'cause she's a healsut, we hate her 'cause of how she's written.

You can't reject the bitch at the start, it leads to a game over.
You can leave her in south pole and the dialogue scene in north pole will magically make her spawn there like she's never left you.
She's literally a child raised and gaslit by a cult she thinks is a righteous religion that raises kids to be literal prostitutes serving a deity, good luck telling me incest is worse than that, ain't no way I'm building that temple after realizing that before.
Did I forgot to mention she's a princess too? Inb4 we get another questline that turns her to Etheryn 2.0 except it's in a sand kingdom this time or smth.

She's also written to be this in-your-face love interest that any shallow player will definitely be a fan favorite 'cause nothing screams waifu than a character with big dimensions for body parts and no dimensions in character depth.

You can tell Cait in her face that you bang Kasyrra and you prefer it that way, she won't give a shit aside from the "You bad bad" line, she still joins your party.
There goes her morals and any would-be character depth of actually thinking and feeling like a character who actually gives a shit about something.

PC: I think I'm into Kasyrra even if she wants to do this whole world domination and taking your sister and all.
Cait: But she's evil! Anyway...

 

[Lucky_I]

Asking the player to suspend their disbelief once for a "champion that is better than you, can ggez the BBEG" is a bit much, but possible. But two champions? It leaves you standing there like "Why am I even here? There's absolutely no way there's two much bigger threats out there, and if there were couldn't two of these champions handle them and then Kasyrra?" It's not even like a "No one can be the hero but me!" thing. It's like playing a LotR game at the Battle of the Morannon, but you're not Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, or Gimli. You're just some Gondorian soldier, who's a bit better at fighting than the other soldiers.

Spoiler: I was being facetious

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[thecatcameback]

Shadow the Edge Fox over in the Kitsune tree can handle Kas too.