Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[M0nte]

I for some reason just can't like Lyric. It feels very creepy with its ridiculous hero worship, yes kobold culture whatever idc. And its scenes are way over the top.

Then again not everything is for everyone.

Well now I can not help it but think less of you.

But nah I get it, even if game itself tries to justify it as culture shock. Lyric is basically a slave or a pet since they are really dependent on you. Your personal pocket pussy/dildo. I like it but I am into slave roleplay and hero worship and all that but I understand why people can be turned of by it. I do wish we could lean into it more tho. Them calling you "Mistress/Master/Queen/King" and you calling them "pet/slave" would be nice. Since Kobolds themselves are ruled by a Queen, I could fill that role.

I do hope that in later updates we will be able to do it since ,well, it feels like game itself is undermining this concept of a willing pet so that our character does not look to much like a bad guy. Since, we only do stuff Lyric themselves are comfortable with. Maybe we could push her/his willingness to serve to her/his absolute limit and cross it if we are corrupt enough. Just food for thought.

 

[NODOGAN]

Thanks for the reply

When / how do you talk to Mallach?
Don't remember doing that.

You need to chat to River in Hawkethorne and select the option "met before?/met somewhere?" (don't quite remember the exact wording) but i think you need to do the Salamander Twins quest first and had the whole Audience with Nareva.

 

[NODOGAN]

The two new summons are very cool but admitingly they got me thinking...it feels as if the newer updates are way more into game-balancing than progressing the story (big duh) and honestly if CoCII goes from a porn game inspired in DnD/Fantasy RPGs to an Adult RPG inspired in DnD with some smut down the line well...i'd like more options for character classes if we're going that gameplay route, might be just the geek in me talking (since i got VERY recently into DND) but i'd love to play as a Monk just punching whatever the heck's on my path or be a Druid that Transforms into monsters for fighting/ controls nature (like Hethia), idk just saying we have a bunch of Gods left to explore, i think there's room for more gameplay options and since the game seems to be leaning on that direction might as well go all the way y'know?

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Well now I can not help it but think less of you.

But nah I get it, even if game itself tries to justify it as culture shock. Lyric is basically a slave or a pet since they are really dependent on you. Your personal pocket pussy/dildo. I like it but I am into slave roleplay and hero worship and all that but I understand why people can be turned of by it. I do wish we could lean into it more tho. Them calling you "Mistress/Master/Queen/King" and you calling them "pet/slave" would be nice. Since Kobolds themselves are ruled by a Queen, I could fill that role.

I do hope that in later updates we will be able to do it since ,well, it feels like game itself is undermining this concept of a willing pet so that our character does not look to much like a bad guy. Since, we only do stuff Lyric themselves are comfortable with. Maybe we could push her/his willingness to serve to her/his absolute limit and cross it if we are corrupt enough. Just food for thought.

CoC2 unlike CoC1 really does not allow your main character to be an asshole much. In CoC1 you could practically be a walking murdering turborapist. Not that it was well written, but it was a thing.

I'd guess the places where they get paid have policies that disincentivize this sort of stuff. Patreon for one isn't fine with content like that.

 

[M0nte]

CoC2 unlike CoC1 really does not allow your main character to be an asshole much. In CoC1 you could practically be a walking murdering turborapist. Not that it was well written, but it was a thing.

I'd guess the places where they get paid have policies that disincentivize this sort of stuff. Patreon for one isn't fine with content like that.

I feel like patreon thing is just an excuse. I mean, this one of more popular and sucesfull western indie porn games on patreon and at large. It did well on steam selling 10 000 "units" in its first month which is more then a lot of higher budgeted porn games actually accomplished. And that is with free version being available. And I do not think that anything really stops them from moving there main money earning method away from patreon. Like to subscribestar or something similar. Since, well, no matter how much everyone complains about this game (justifiably so) it is one of few games of its kind and it is also updated frequantly. Which is something of a rarity in itself for western hentai games. So we and everyone else are lacking in options here so we are stuck with Savin and Co. So we are forced to follow them.

And besides, I do not think that Patreon is that concerned about its rules. Only thing they really seem to have problem with is hardcore PC incest, "realistic" depiction of violence and rape and shota/loli content. So I do not think that is the real reason for lack of content that can be described ass "fuck this world in most literal sense".

No, the real reason why there is no corrupt/evil contents is because,frankly, most of authors are just not that interested in it to begin with.Like, for example, both Bubbles and Some Kind of Wizard are not really into the whole idea of corruption. SKOW flat out said that she is not interested in supporting corrupt hive along with corrupt Azzy. She will never be a companion as she herself said. Since it is more work for her for things she personally does not enjoy to write. Now, this could be because we are in early stages of the development (that took four year but whatever). But nothing is really giving me hope since I feel like only Savin, B and Wsan are into it. So future corrupt/evil content seems to be like afterthought like current batch of it is.

Another reason why I am not that hopeful for a corrupt route is because it does seem like a lot more work for a lot less payoff. Now, while I am not sure about statistics, I bet that most people that play games default to good guy route even if evil one is just as interesting (which this one currently certainly is not). Which probably makes it lot less appealing from writers point of view to write something that a lot of people would not interact with. Combined with it just being a lot more work on writers plate.
I know that this is there job and all, but I can see how that could be seen as to much. Lets look at Wsan as most extreme example when it just comes to corrupt companion content. Not only does he need to write content for 2 pure companions, he would also need to write stuff for there corrupt conterparts.

Now there a ways around this. You could write content, quest and characters that only have corrupt routes. That way, when writing something, you do not need to worry about splitting your attention for both and corrupt and pure content. Or some other ways I am not currently thinking of..

Still, I could be wrong. I do hope that there claim that, since Kassyra released her daughters, corroption will be more prominent in the story. I at least hope. As things stand, stuff like enslaving genderbend Hirrurd, Wsans "break the dom" routes and teases of Cait/Brienne demon forms could pave the wave for something more substantial. But at same time, those are things Wsan and Savin wanted to add from beginning so my comment for the rest of authors still stands.
I hope I am wrong since I like playing as jackass-

 

[throbzombie]

The real reason why there is no corrupt/evil contents is because,frankly, most of authors are just not that interested in it to begin with. And most of there audience also. Like, for example, both Bubbles and Some Kind of Wizard are not really into the whole idea of corruption. SKOW flat out said that she is not interested in supporting corrupt hive content along with corrupt Azzy (she will never be a complanion as some people said)

The writes of a game called Corruption of Champions...are not into corruption content. Why the fuck would Savin hire them?

 

[M0nte]

The writes of a game called Corruption of Champions...are not into corruption content. Why the fuck would Savin hire them?

Because they are good writers that are willing to work. OK, Bubbles is, SKOW is incosistant to much for my liking. And I mean, you can not really force them to write things that they do not want to and expect good content. What they need to do is hire more writers that are willing to do it.

 

[throbzombie]

Because they are good writers that are willing to work. OK, Bubbles is, SKOW is incosistant to much for my liking. And I mean, you can not really force them to write things that they do not want and expect good content. What they need to do is hire more writers that are willing to do it.

What does is matter if the content is good if it doesn't fit the project? All this smacks of Savin and co. having no respect for the IP.

 

[M0nte]

What does is matter if the content is good if it doesn't fit the project? All this smacks of Savin and co. having no respect for the IP.

I mean, pure content does fit. The game is not called "Purely Corrupted Champions". What I think you wanted to say is that Savin should have hired people that are fine with writing for both sides of the coin. For which I agree.
The thing is, he just hired people that already did work for Fenoxo games. Since it is kind of hard to find people that fulfill criteria of being "good at writing somewhat professional smut". So he just hired people he already worked with. Them being able to write corrupted content was secondary to there past portfolio.
And, to be fair, disrespecting CoC as IP is a requirment for you to work on it if you want to follow OGs spirit. Since we all remember how first one ended. With its developer kicking and screaming at people for forcing him to give them some kind of closure. Which was just not fair, guys. All he wanted to do was to work on his perfect hyper inflated baby. Him leaving his OG project unfinished was totally justified by simple reasoning of "screw you, here is my patreon page".
Really, I think this kind of treatment is more then expected at this point. Now is just a question how hard they are gonna screw this one up.

 

[NotEvenOw]

What does is matter if the content is good if it doesn't fit the project? All this smacks of Savin and co. having no respect for the IP.

The entire staff, both CoC2's and TiTS' seem to have misgivings about a lot of the content that made it's way into the OG CoC, Fen included. I still remember a thread, years ago, where Savin and Nonesuch essentially equated people liking contents like Kelt's (and wanting to see similar content, even in an entirely fictional capacity), to being actual psychomurderers irl. Like, I get it, peoples tastes change, and it's entirely fair to go in a different direction with your future projects, just...maybe not so much when you're capitalising off of the brand power of an IP that historically roots itself in corruption and other strange degeneracy. Really, anyone looking for the sorts of content that made OG CoC what it is should be looking elsewhere than current (or future) FenCo products.

 

[CantThinkOfOne]

I still remember a thread, years ago, where Savin and Nonesuch essentially equated people liking contents like Kelt's (and wanting to see similar content, even in an entirely fictional capacity), to being actual psychomurderers irl.

That doesn't sound like something they would say? I think theres similar content in TiTs, I might be wrong. Wasn't the whole thing from savin about psychomurderers about the 8chan mod and why they don't allow mods anymore?

 

[LandBeach]

What was the 8chan mod? Something bad apparently?

 

[actualrealname]

What was the 8chan mod? Something bad apparently?

was just a content mod, but some of the content involved very extreme fetishes. I think there was two snuff scenes (maybe three?) and some (borderline?) pedo shit, though all of them were fairly obviously locked behind choices that didn't make it unclear at all what you were going to do.
Most of the content was fine from what I recall.

 

[NotEvenOw]

That doesn't sound like something they would say? I think theres similar content in TiTs, I might be wrong. Wasn't the whole thing from savin about psychomurderers about the 8chan mod and why they don't allow mods anymore?

I'm cooked af, so take it with a grain of salt. There's definitely plenty of instances where this sort of contempt towards the playerbase is shown by them though. I think one of Franks TiTS characters was the last source of such drama on the Fen forums. I don't really care either way, but it seems a weird moral line to draw when a majority of the sexual content across all of the games is dubcon at best, and outright noncon at worst.

 

[Curious_Lama]

It counts as a Kitsune with only one tail?

I think companions could have been fun in TiTs too. The ship system is a complete mismanagement of priorities. It should have been in sooner. That's my opinion though. I've seen people who think it was a complete waste of time. People have different priorities.

"like why it would be difficult to learn a new language when you have access to bilingual kitsune within a few days while learning a whole new fighting style happens extremely quickly"
Ugh, I mangled that sentence. Should be:
"; like, why would it be difficult to learn a new language within a few days when you have access to bilingual kitsune? Learning a whole new fighting style happens extremely quickly."

Is there any reason not to have it? If you like it, you get extra content. Also, I didn't get a second dick until way further into my save so I probably missed a lot as I haven't played much after I got it. I don't see any reason not to get it unless having two bothers you, but then why would you get it in the first place?

Well, the Steam version gives you the public patch only, so you could try out the

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before you buy it on Steam. Public patch comes out the middle of the month every month, and includes all previous backer patches.

I don't remember any specific sissification content, but I'm not too versed on what counts.

You can turn

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into

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, but she ain't little.

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was technically being sissified when you first encounter him, but as the game isn't finished you can't further it any more, and I don't know if the writer would even want to expand his character to include that.

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was born "shemale" and is feminine naturally. She is an elf that you can increase hip and breast size for, and has tracking for confidence and libido.

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is a cat boy and is submissive and slightly feminine. There is no physical transformation content, but there seems to be "mental tf" planned to make him accept that hes a massive slut.

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has some workout confidence building but otherwise I don't think is sissification.

Maybe there is a selection of sissies but there isn't much sissification. I'm assuming you are looking for something like

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from Trials in Tainted Space (TiTs).

thank you for info, will check this characters out. Yeah, I was hoping to see something similar to

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from Trials in Tainted Space ) Bought it, but didn't play it much so far)

 

[Wipp]

Having a corrupted route never felt that important to me personally. I've always thought since the title uses "Champions" rather than the singular, that it simply referred to corruption of people all over the land rather than just the personal corruption of the player. All sorts of important people are fighting and succumbing to corruption so I don't really see it as a big issue that in this one there's a lot less content for being corrupted aside from physical transformations.

I do think having content where you struggle with your own corruption could be interesting since no matter what route you'd want to go, the initial goal you're always given is to fight the taint rather than embrace it. It would be cool to show what the effects being corrupted could have on your psych rather than just choosing to be an asshole. Make it more gradual or something instead of just "am bad"

 

[NODOGAN]

Honestly i rarely if ever go the Corrupt Route because i'm a huge softie (most "evil" i've done in this game is Ignore the Manticore girl that makes us a weaboo in her confession scene cuz that was so cringy and forced i NEVER wanted to go through with it again after i did it once...oh and leave Arona and the Warcamp to collapse once just to see what would happen if you don't help her against the Troll) so i haven't suffered the apparent distaste and passive agressiveness the content creators have for Corruption Routes in the main game, but if you're going to give a player choices i feel they should be validated by offering an actual change and not become this whole Creator vs Consumer battle because seriously at no point you should stab the people that gave your IP notoriety with a pointy stick (it's a little thing called being humble).

ALSO you could just admit that kind of fetish aren't really something you're adept at writting (or desire to write for that matter) and either hire someone that CAN write those scenes and you just proof-read it to know how it alters the overworld after every mayor decision OR...just don't make it part of your IP i mean, people STILL PLAY LINEAR GAMES, is not like a Legend of Zelda game is bad cuz we can't choose to kill the princess and become the new rulers or something, even if you weren't corrupt yourself but just fighting corruption people would still play to check out the story, the gameplay and the smut, but hey that's just my 2 cents, i'm really not the best person to make a stand for it since it never bothers me cuz i tend to stick with purity routes, i just feel bad for other players that have different tastes than me and don't get to enjoy the game as much because of the unwillingness of the author to push through with the promise of corruption content.

 

[throbzombie]

Having a corrupted route never felt that important to me personally. I've always thought since the title uses "Champions" rather than the singular, that it simply referred to corruption of people all over the land rather than just the personal corruption of the player. All sorts of important people are fighting and succumbing to corruption so I don't really see it as a big issue that in this one there's a lot less content for being corrupted aside from physical transformations.

I do think having content where you struggle with your own corruption could be interesting since no matter what route you'd want to go, the initial goal you're always given is to fight the taint rather than embrace it. It would be cool to show what the effects being corrupted could have on your psych rather than just choosing to be an asshole. Make it more gradual or something instead of just "am bad"

It's not just corruption content, really, although that's the only thing I got into OG CoC for, but it's just the general railroading of the PC into this sickening cucky do-gooder and the tonal whiplash that occurs when that's not happening. Let me tell you, there is no character I detest more than Lusamine, followed closely by her band of merry morons and their retarded commander, Jen. The cunts who waylaid you in the forest show up at you house and fuck you companions and like the pathetic beta orbiter that you apparently are, instead of, you know, doing something, you sit down and have a nice chat and even get in on the action if they're feeling particularly merciful that day. Your companions sure seem to prefer your enemies to your loser ass. I don't get the point of them at all.

I feel impotent in this game, not like the force of nature that I should be at max level after completing all the quests so far save for the Kitsune stuff because fuck that weeb shit. If there was one thing that CoC1 did, it was make you feel powerful, like you could be the hero that Mareth needed or a typhoon of sorrow and misery visited upon its hapless inhabitants. But in the sequel, the thing that's supposed to equal and even surpass the experience of the first? I feel like nobody takes me seriously, like everyone, friend and foe, is only humoring me in my pretensions of heroism, as if they're trying to spare my feelings or amuse themselves, or both. It feels a lot less like besting your foes and more like they're letting you win when every encounter starts off with, "Ha ha, you can't defeat the great and mighty Sex-Hole-Number-Umptyteen. You may as well give up now, because there's no way that someone like you can beat someone like me!" Thrash them again, rinse and repeat, and once you been through every pose in the Kama Sutra, these annoying, cocksure named encounters just become a nuisance, a series of buttons to mash before you can get on with whatever you were doing. There is really no sense of progression, and more than once I've found myself wondering if they were just losing on purpose out of pity.

One time, after I'd kicked Lt. Jen's ass for the eleventieth time, a scene played where she broke down and (rightly) lamented her weakness. While I wasn't happy that I didn't get to pile on, at the very least, I thought, Jen would finally pack it in and I was gonna get into that sweet, sweet treasure box she's been teasing me with. But of course, what happens? Some punk by the name of Leofric sucker punches me out of nowhere and is all "No dun cwy Jen dat gais just a big meanie face nd u is amaziing!!!1!" and it's back to business as usual. It must have been her hormones acting up because cleasly my combat prowess had absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It's just so fucking lame and exhausting, and as a fan of the original, and the corruption genre in general, I have found very little in this project that appeals to me. But that's what I get for having expectations, I guess.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Because they are good writers that are willing to work. OK, Bubbles is, SKOW is incosistant to much for my liking. And I mean, you can not really force them to write things that they do not want to and expect good content. What they need to do is hire more writers that are willing to do it.

Bubbles and Skow are not just inconsistent, they are straight up bad. Even if they have good character ideas (byvernia was bubbles' right?) their writing is still bad.

I'm guessing nepotism, maybe they were friends of savin or something. Because I can assure you half this forum would be able to write something on bubbles' level lmao.

Also for that corruption stuff, yeah, I think patreon is just an excuse, they just don't want to I guess. And it's also true that corrupt content is played through way less.

But it also kills player choice. It feels like I'm on a fucking railroad when I can't take another choice, like with anything Tobs does. Corruption content is meaningful not because of the sexual aspect but simply because it's more choice in an RPG game that does not have choices.

For example, Tobs' content. You have two choices with Kitsune, engage in the content, or don't. This is not a real choice. This is just abstaining. It's as good as saying fuck off if you don't like it.

If we had another choice like actively fucking over the Kitsune, I'd take it. But it's not there because corruption routes are not a thing.

At the end of the day I guess I don't care, since it really does not make much sense to write content that a minority will enjoy and others will never try because it has lasting consequences/is hard to fix.

 

[M0nte]

Bubbles and Skow are not just inconsistent, they are straight up bad. Even if they have good character ideas (byvernia was bubbles' right?) their writing is still bad.

I'm guessing nepotism, maybe they were friends of savin or something. Because I can assure you half this forum would be able to write something on bubbles' level lmao.

Sure Bubbles has his problems, but every writer in this game does.
Is it that Bubbles is bad or that you just do not like his characters since there stuff does not appeal to you? Since well, you seem to like Byvernia,who is in my opinion, one of his run of the mill creation. I do not think she is better written or has better sex scenes then Quinn, Lusamine , Maria, Spider Oracle or Prince Nyze or even that Fairy twink.

And yeah we need more choices, even if it is just dialogue option that does not change anything. Like, what JRPGs or What a Legend does where they give you yes or no answear and you can pick them just for flavor. It would allow our character to state there opinion on situation at hand. Even this game does it from time to time but only with Wsan and Savins characters mostly.

Mercs are jerks

OK I am going to have to disagree with you there (mostly). I feel like this game does more then good enough job to make you feel important and powerful. My only noteworthy gripe comes is when enemies, ironically , praise me and only me to much. Like Byvernia ,for example, where she praises me on how strong I am while ignoring my entire party in the back. Come to think of it, that is a lot of encounters.
But really when it comes to feeling powerful, I think this game does fine enough job. Stuff like defeating entire bar of Orcs, rescuing harem from there terrible master, domming Arona and a lot of smaller encounters make me feel like I earned it.

Now when it comes to Mercs, the problem there is that they are incomplete, simple as that. It kind of does suck that you got sucker punched by there leader (no matter your level) and that you can not do anything about it. And that you can not just fight him later. But that is all because Bubbles is planing on doing something SOON but when it will be I do not know. I would also like to dom Jen, but it is simple not there yet. Which is a shame since I enjoy her.