MoneyMan181

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I will admit I don't read as much manga as I used to. I still do read yuri, in which it is rather common that childhood sweethearts will be treated as a very special thing; they might break up, but they often come back together. There's no shortage of exceptions, but they still feel like they're intentionally subverting an expectation for the sake of drama.

As for hentai manga, aside from dedicated NTR, I've rarely seen childhood friends lose out. There's a whole lot of "surprise childhood friend they just didn't recognize", but just as much playing the trope straight as well.

I also recall a focus on childhood sweethearts being a thing in other Japanese media (e.g. Final Fantasy VIII).

It might also have been that the selection of manga I did end up reading just happened to feature more childhood friend tropes than average.

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You mean FF7? 8's love interest has no ties to Squall. Seems like you're mixing up Rinoa and Tifa(best girl of all time btw). Besides Tifa though, I can't think of any Japanese media where the childhood friend wins honestly. Your Lie in April is prime example of childhood friend getting absolutely fucking cucked and it's a trend I see pretty often in anything with more than one romantic interest.

Shame too, childhood friend trope is something I like a lot but nobody does anything interesting with it.
 

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You mean FF7? 8's love interest has no ties to Squall. Seems like you're mixing up Rinoa and Tifa(best girl of all time btw). Besides Tifa though, I can't think of any Japanese media where the childhood friend wins honestly. Your Lie in April is prime example of childhood friend getting absolutely fucking cucked and it's a trend I see pretty often in anything with more than one romantic interest.

Shame too, childhood friend trope is something I like a lot but nobody does anything interesting with it.
IDK why, but I was thinking about the reveal in FFVIII where you find out that everyone grew up in the same orphanage (including Squall and Rinoa). Yeah, FFVII is a much better example lol.

I never watched Your Lie in April. I'm also not into comedy (like, at all), so I was never big on harem romcoms.

Anecdotally, I can think of Honeymoon Salad as a manga where the childhood friend "wins out" in the end, but that's just one example. Also The World God Only Knows, but I might be misremembering regarding that one.
 

muschi26

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Nope. Not Rinoa.
No? Welp, guess it's been too long since I played it. My bad.

Also note that in order for the childhood friend to win in FF7...the competition had to be murdered.
Depends on your choices. Yeah, Cloud hangs out with Aerith at the start, but you can date either Aerith, Tifa, or even Barrett at the Golden Saucer, depending on your choices up to that point.

IDK if it's "obvious" that Cloud would've ended up with Aerith if she hadn't died. I feel like the main reason they got along so well in the first place was because Cloud acted so much like Zack, from getting his memories implanted. I don't know if it would've worked out in the long run.
 

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No? Welp, guess it's been too long since I played it. My bad.



Depends on your choices. Yeah, Cloud hangs out with Aerith at the start, but you can date either Aerith, Tifa, or even Barrett at the Golden Saucer, depending on your choices up to that point.

IDK if it's "obvious" that Cloud would've ended up with Aerith if she hadn't died. I feel like the main reason they got along so well in the first place was because Cloud acted so much like Zack, from getting his memories implanted. I don't know if it would've worked out in the long run.

The date doesnt really change anything. On the date with Barret they literally just discuss why Cloud picked him and Cloud reveals he couldn't choose between Aerith and Tifa so went with a third option.

Yuffie is a kid and never in the running.

The point is, Jessie and Aerith, the only two other girls who expresses any interest in Cloud at all, die for the childhood friend to have a definitive win. And even then there are people arguing for Aerith to this very day.
 

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I'm really curious why they're so insistent on creating this romance for 2 characters nobody gives a fuck about. Of all the things they could possibly add in the game, they're adding Azami x Takahiro content? Who is even asking for this? I'm not even sure content with these 2 characters interacting even exists within the game for this to even have context(I refuse to interact with that shithole so I don't know). This just reeks of a writer trying to insert some fanfic shipping into the game. I would rather a single enemy encounter gets added to the game than this shit lmao.

Also note that in order for the childhood friend to win in FF7...the competition had to be murdered.

Both of them, in fact.
Honestly I always thought Tifa was supposed to win regardless of that happening. Most of the reason Cloud and Aerith are into each other is because he's acting like Zack basically the entire time they knew each other. He was pretty much just the rebound after what happened to Zack lmao. Also Tifa basically said "Fuck saving the world, I'm going to take care of Cloud.". If that doesn't scream they're supposed to get together, idk what does. People who argue for Aerith are delusional imo.
 

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Nope. Not Rinoa.



Also note that in order for the childhood friend to win in FF7...the competition had to be murdered.

Both of them, in fact.
Totally agree honestly if Jessie didn't die in the beginning she probably would have won instead of Tifa or Aerith.
 

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I'm really curious why they're so insistent on creating this romance for 2 characters nobody gives a fuck about. Of all the things they could possibly add in the game, they're adding Azami x Takahiro content? Who is even asking for this? I'm not even sure content with these 2 characters interacting even exists within the game for this to even have context(I refuse to interact with that shithole so I don't know). This just reeks of a writer trying to insert some fanfic shipping into the game. I would rather a single enemy encounter gets added to the game than this shit lmao.
From what I understand, Azami wasn't supposed to have any content at all, but people liked her enough to ask for content, and the devs decided to oblige. It's not just Azami x Takahiro content: the PC is going to get them back together, with the option of participating in a threesome with them.

Though IDK if it's the salt mine or what, but I have no clue why they'd think people asking for Azami content wanted something like this LMAO.
 

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From what I understand, Azami wasn't supposed to have any content at all, but people liked her enough to ask for content, and the devs decided to oblige. It's not just Azami x Takahiro content: the PC is going to get them back together, with the option of participating in a threesome with them.

Though IDK if it's the salt mine or what, but I have no clue why they'd think people asking for Azami content wanted something like this LMAO.
Welcome to Corruption of Champions were 75% of all new content is stuff no one wants and 50% of that 75% involves a girl with a dick bigger than your arm
 

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They're mostly Tobs' characters, and he has an idea for the endpoint of all of them and the overall direction of the kitsune storyline, so anyone writing them has to stick somewhat to a plan.

Bubbles is trying to give people Azami content and, according to him at least, his Patreon likes this particular direction for Taka/Azami.

Personally I'm not against the idea of an NPC couple you can get down with (Livrea's parents look great) but, uh...Takahiro sucks. He doesn't deserve nice things.


Honestly I always thought Tifa was supposed to win regardless of that happening. Most of the reason Cloud and Aerith are into each other is because he's acting like Zack basically the entire time they knew each other. He was pretty much just the rebound after what happened to Zack lmao. Also Tifa basically said "Fuck saving the world, I'm going to take care of Cloud.". If that doesn't scream they're supposed to get together, idk what does. People who argue for Aerith are delusional imo.
Oh, Tifa was already going to win, no doubt.

My point was more that they killed off his other even slight possibilities to eliminate even a question...and there's still questions.

That's just how strong New Girl syndrome is in comparison to childhood friend shipping.
 

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From what I understand, Azami wasn't supposed to have any content at all, but people liked her enough to ask for content, and the devs decided to oblige. It's not just Azami x Takahiro content: the PC is going to get them back together, with the option of participating in a threesome with them.

Though IDK if it's the salt mine or what, but I have no clue why they'd think people asking for Azami content wanted something like this LMAO.
I know about the threesome but it still definitely feels like the writer just doing whatever they want rather than listening to what others want. Do they think there's an overlap of people who want to sex Azami and Takahiro? Because I'm 99% certain there isn't lmao. That's literally the only reason they'd do it this way if they're even trying to pretend to listen to fans. But like I said, I heavily doubt anybody wanted both at the same time so why do it this way? Only thing I can think of is the writer just simps for Takahiro and this is just an excuse to get their silly ship into the game.

A shame because I actually liked her design and art. Not that I'd fuck her anyway because she's probably a piece of shit like the others, but still.

They're mostly Tobs' characters, and he has an idea for the endpoint of all of them and the overall direction of the kitsune storyline, so anyone writing them has to stick somewhat to a plan.

Bubbles is trying to give people Azami content and, according to him at least, his Patreon likes this particular direction for Taka/Azami.

Personally I'm not against the idea of an NPC couple you can get down with (Livrea's parents look great) but, uh...Takahiro sucks. He doesn't deserve nice things.




Oh, Tifa was already going to win, no doubt.

My point was more that they killed off his other even slight possibilities to eliminate even a question...and there's still questions.

That's just how strong New Girl syndrome is in comparison to childhood friend shipping.
Aaaaand, you have to go and say that to invalidate everything I said lmao. I figured Takahiro was just Bubble's thing that Tobs just said fine to being in there. Well whatever, I guess everything I just said applies to Tobs rather than Bubbles then, but the point still stands. Just reinforces the idea that the guy only writes for himself. Still don't know how he got away putting his dumbass weeb fetish land into the game on company time.

In terms of the Tifa vs Aerith contest: Even when the childhood friend wins, it still feels like a loss when all these bastards go around shipping Cloud and Aerith
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Didn't someone post a popularity poll with futa being one of the top 3? If that's the case, then that means people do actually want that stuff in the game, no?
 

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Didn't someone post a popularity poll with futa being one of the top 3? If that's the case, then that means people do actually want that stuff in the game, no?
Yeah, and statistically speaking, didn't someone point out that futa was like 14% of the characters or some low-ish number like that?

The problem with futa IMO, and the reason it gets so blown out of proportion by people who dislike it, is the "trap" factor. Players will already start forming their opinion on characters just by looking at them, and it's a real letdown when what looks to you like an attractive woman ends up having a dick (if you're not into that), so it sticks with you longer.

Hell, on rare occasions the writers intentionally mislead the player, or bank on the fact that the player might be making looser decisions about who they fuck (because it's a porn game), in the hopes of going "gotcha", or "judging" the player on their behaviour (e.g. Evelyn in CoC2, Nayna in TiTS), which IMO just feels like trolling, and does not help the situation.

And where is this so called poll? Cause I've never seen or heard about it before
I don't have the poll, but the story is this: some time back, I asked on the Fenoxo forums about the option to de-dick some futa chartacters in TiTS, and Savin replied to me by saying that they wouldn't do it, because (in addition to technical difficulties relating to how sex scenes are constructed) they had polled their patrons and futa was in the top 3 most popular fetishes. Now, CoC2 might not have the exact same fanbase as TiTS, but I figured that there would be enough similarity to assume that futa must be in a similarly high position among the general fanbase.
 
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The poll has been posted a few times in this thread, you can probably find it pretty easy.

Futa and preg (yuck) are basically the top 2 I think.


Yeah, and statistically speaking, didn't someone point out that futa was like 14% of the characters or some low-ish number like that?
That was me.

There's an ongoing count of gender ratio in this game that's updated monthly. Futa is the smallest by a lot. There are around...four times as many females as futa I do believe.

Negative confirmation bias basically accounts for people's impressions.
 

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Yeah, and statistically speaking, didn't someone point out that futa was like 14% of the characters or some low-ish number like that?
And where is this so called poll? Cause I've never seen or heard about it before
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You know, now I'm kind of feeling a twinge of inspiration to write a story where the PC manages to win over Azami with a lot of hard work and dedication…

…but there's not way in hell they'd accept it if I submitted it, so I'm not even going to bother.
Why have the PC work hard when all he apparently has to do is be a drunkard?
 
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