Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[atomicp]

Savin's going full Clown Stance if he thinks this game is in any way balanced. Also it's a single player game so who fucking cares about balance? Let the players who want min/max their UberChad, it doesn't effect anyone else's game.

I don't even think that's Savin the main culprit, but some writers must be talking his ears off because of their "artistic vision"...

Then again, I do remember Tobs going against having "combat strategies" in coc2wiki on their foxpeople pages because "Redacted until later because I'm cruel that way .

It took months for someone else to add the fucking combat info.

Because that's why you're going into the wiki, to see a rant made by the author going hurr durr muh combat must be mysterious

 

[jfmherokiller]

The people crazy enough to mod this will have a fuuuuun time

ironicly looking at the jumbled up code is easier then trying to understand the parsers atleast for me.

 

[jfmherokiller]

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even as a programmer that looks painful to try to handle.

 

[NODOGAN]

Combat Balance?
In a single-player game?
An EROTIC game mind you where porn should be way more important than combat anyway?
Why Savin, is like I don't even have to try to see how petty you guys can get.

P.S: I thought they had fixed how Humans weren't considered Catfolk anymore if everything else was human but you grew a cat penis? oh well, must've been TiTS where they fixed that and I missread (still is funny and stupid how the moment I grow a cat-cock I'm no longer human even if I don't have cat eyes/ears/tails/etc.)

 

[Deleted member 1660801]

even as a programmer that looks painful to try to handle.

Yeah, it was pretty terrible to write with. The parser tester also didn't work, so the entire time I was writing the clementine pregnancy doc it was like bashing my head into a brick wall until something clicked.

Now I'm no coder but after working with the parser system, I wouldn't recommend trying to mod Coc2. You have a far better chance of just making your own game from scratch.

 

[Wrynn13]

I don't even think that's Savin the main culprit, but some writers must be talking his ears off because of their "artistic vision"...

Then again, I do remember Tobs going against having "combat strategies" in coc2wiki on their foxpeople pages because "Redacted until later because I'm cruel that way .

It took months for someone else to add the fucking combat info.

Because that's why you're going into the wiki, to see a rant made by the author going hurr durr muh combat must be mysterious

I don't blame solely Savin, but it was a quote by him I was reacting to.

 

[mofu2x]

even as a programmer that looks painful to try to handle.

As a programmer you should be rolling your eyes at yet another idiot making code impossible to read to save a handful of keystrokes writing it.

 

[harem.king]

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The link in question

So yeah, probably the same mindset for Stances/At Will skills

> having skill slots is too OP

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Too OP compared to who? it is a single player game. Also this is just frustrating game limitations (the MC KNOWS all those skills, he is just arbitrarily forbidden from using the skills which he knows)

 

[thecatcameback]

speaking of skills, i wonder why the flame spirit stays in your list when you get the flame knight and dancer skills. it was upgraded into those two, right? it should go away in exchange, i think.

 

[undyingrevenant]

It's pretty simple, but one thing I feel they could have done to really avoid a lot of drama and fan backlash, is if they mimicked (not sure about rules on naming other games) the vb hrpgs "pure"/"corruption" paths, meaning for example, if you stuck to a pure character and choices, you'd get mostly vanilla (brienne/kiyoko/drifas/tetsuya), or "vanilla+" stuff (threesomes with PC focus, maybe stuff like az/liaden) . Most likely devs definition of vanilla would differ to people, so some room for error. Corrupt choices would lead to hard stuff, more fetishy sharing etc. Ideally a neutral route for what the game currently is "pleasure is king" etc, and a max corruption version which would include the hardcore stuff like your mind breaking, telling cait to jump the horse, hardcore ntr, giving and taking.

Course most of that's "too much work", but if they ever actually got a real corruption system online, then you could have characters with a bit more agency and lock off more fetishy content/give characters a bit more personality. Similar to the bull miners needing mc to be corrupt, easiest examples is the crazy horse again. Let's say cait ""pureTM"" is mostly her current self. You try picking for her to ride it, response "I'm a ho but I'm not THAT big a ho"/"I have standards", saves her butt etc. However if you choose to corrupt her, then she'd basically be turbo streets mode with no standards at all.

Etheryn is another example, instead of her weird setup where her scenes involve her abused/supported system where she can act ooc (hashat, elthara stuff etc), instead a "pure" etheryn would refuse hashat, and with elthara, you could have it a bit more nuanced, like her wanting a heir but not wanting one without you, while a corrupt would resemble Alissa. Basically, stuff like kas is doing, siding with her like in her dream teases, or taking the reigns and control and becoming captain now. Doesn't seem like they want to go super hardcore but this also opens a route where you take her power like cultists are trying, and instead of her softball tainting, you rip the world a new one and become a interdimensional menace.

Tldr I feel like more options needing conditions or character states would help a lot with characters doing weird things. Cait normally getting pissed off with you if you tried to bet her/getting into it depending on corrupt status, etheryn refusing hashat normally etc. They tried to bandaid stuff like that with player choices but it'd add to characters if they had some level of input instead of "well PC says to bang the demons who I should hate lol heck yeah I'm a farming tool", and it would serve as an explicit "well this is pretty hardcore but I signed up for it and content got steadily crazier til I'm here in the breeding pits".

 

[Biostar]

I thought they added them back in earlier this year, was it only some of them?

Not even close
Pre-quest:

Post-quest:

 

[Greenbean33]

Berwyn content cut too? How is it everytime I come to check on this game it becomes more and more ass? Increasingly common L for Savin I guess.

 

[Noone202]

Berwyn content cut too? How is it everytime I come to check on this game it becomes more and more ass? Increasingly common L for Savin I guess.

There, that's the answer. What did you expect from the "Analmander" ?

 

[jfmherokiller]

i hate how this is the more stable of the two current gen fenoxo games.

 

[Based Department]

i hate how this is the more stable of the two current gen fenoxo games.

God the tits port has been a disaster

 

[acusrola]

Yeah, it was pretty terrible to write with. The parser tester also didn't work, so the entire time I was writing the clementine pregnancy doc it was like bashing my head into a brick wall until something clicked.

Now I'm no coder but after working with the parser system, I wouldn't recommend trying to mod Coc2. You have a far better chance of just making your own game from scratch.

A good alternative could also be a CYOA type game, there's plenty of "IDEs" for making those, some even work right from your browser.

 

[Comiies]

Man i am curious to see the dock savin has with the future of the game but i aint giving him 15 bucks.Oh woe is me

 

[undyingrevenant]

Berwyn content cut too? How is it everytime I come to check on this game it becomes more and more ass? Increasingly common L for Savin I guess.

Yeah that's the biggest thing that hit me enjoyment wise. The way their member/volunteer system is setup, you can't get attached to anything. You have situations like Berwyn, where they basically "come back wrong", (writers take over and the character is now what they want instead of accuracy) or writers completely change course because it's been years since they wrote for a character, or they keep moving to the new hotness and lose interest in unfinished projects. You have some too like kiyoko/kinu where kiyoko/the friggin mc is more of a tool to get to kinus solo adventures, because tobs wanted princess maker and a solo fighter/thief (presumably partial self insert) power fantasy.

If it was just a pron game, sure, no problem, but they don't want it to be just a h game. Characters have restrictions like azzy/liaden, or the barber couple, and you have characters sectioned off because devs think it'd be icky. Hitting the elephant in the room, you have tobs, who regardless of opinion, writes insane amounts of content with purple prose and clearly at least thinks he's writing something with meaning, whether said meaning has issues or not, and a good bit of his content is just words with either no h content or fan disservice stuff like fox man telling your daughter he's going to carve out her eyes before smashing box etc. Gweyr stuff, kas friggin backstory which includes, if I remember right, her being assaulted by her mother, eventually snapping said mother's neck, birthing imps then said imps also assaulting her before flying off, among the other stuff, and the tentacle monster in the deep which has each party member have a mental breakdown and go self unalivey in minecraft, the wraiths trying to be lovecraft level threats etc.

So they don't want to be just a h game, so the h suffers, but they also don't want to write each character they make to completion. They just want to write whatever they feel like, so the story suffers. You have some characters that are the authors favorites, like cait, or kinu, quin before bub went AWOL, Berwyn before the dishonorable discharge or whatever, etheryn since alypia showed up and probably has a framed portrait of etheryn futa-ing their oc over their bed, but vast amounts of characters are wasted. It's a series of loosely or unconnected short stories instead of something like your pick of party based rpg.

As it stands it can never be "that character is hot. I want to bang it. I can bang it." Or each character, at least party member, being given equal screentime and building player attachment. Even if it's all exclusively walls of text at a base instead of dynamic. Some major characters are already marked finished supposedly before the halfway point of the game, and random trash npcs with one kink are done rapidly, while party members lose all player interest and hype. It's a limited access series of open fan fic episodes instead of stories intertwining, with the only constants being stuff like "noooo, you can't just have etheryn grow a taco to make an heir, my headcanon!"

 

[atomicp]

(the whole post, tbh)

Small addendum: Some characters content actually got cut / removed, like Berwyn mentioned above.

 

[Skandranon]

Small addendum: Some characters content actually got cut / removed, like Berwyn mentioned above.

Berwyns content is still there, actually.

Pre and post quest Berwyn are both in the game, you just have to choose one.

I personally stick to pre-quest atm.


But not cut or removed.